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That same study found that 82% of households live in poverty (both extreme and non-extreme), and that 52% of households live in extreme poverty. We need to the full study to be released so that we can take a look at the methodology, but those are disastrous numbers.
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# ? May 22, 2024 04:05 |
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That's actually a lot -better- than I would have thought jusy from all the anecdotes I've read. Although I guess 'eating breakfast' might count as a mini arepa with a tiny slice of mango or something.
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# ? Feb 19, 2017 10:12 |
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Here's a source for that in English: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2017/02/19/Venezuela-75-of-population-lost-19-pounds-amid-crisis/2441487523377/
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 15:38 |
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Five people (including four members of the same family) died over a period of a couple of days last week after they ate bitter yams that had not been properly detoxified. The deceased lived in Catia, which is a poor area of Caracas. I didn't know this, but bitter yams are normally not eaten because they contain toxins that could be fatal, but I can imagine that if people are literally eating garbage out of trash piles then taking a risk with something that actually looks like food but might kill you is actually an option. The family purchased the yams from a street vendor who was selling them for Bs. 1000/kilogram. We see two sides of the economic collapse here: 1) individuals selling whatever they can find on the street with absolutely no quality control, and 2) individuals having no option but to purchase whatever they can find on the street, and being forced to take the risk of illness/death because they can't get food any other way.
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 18:11 |
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whats the name in Spanish? Never heard of bitter yams
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 18:46 |
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https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manihot_esculenta or in English called manioc/yuca/cassava. Apparently there are huge fluctuations in the amount of cyanide in manioc strains, and if you have the high cyanide content ones, cook them badly and/or don't know what you're doing, it's easy to poison yourself. And if you live in a country like Venezuela where there are no hospitals, then you're dead. Nicolas Casey had an article about this on the NYTimes a few weeks ago too, from a similar incident: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/25/world/americas/venezuela-hunger.html Saladman fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Feb 20, 2017 |
# ? Feb 20, 2017 18:51 |
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Oh, mandioca. Never heard it could be toxic, but it's not a common food here. This is the most depressing thread
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# ? Feb 20, 2017 20:01 |
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I saw this video the other day and I thought I'd share it. It was recorded in what appears to be a high school assembly hall in Nueva Esparta state. There's some kind of PSUV stooge on stage vomiting propaganda onto the students. At one point, the man says that Maduro is the only one who is capable of running Venezuela, and the students start to snicker. You can practically hear their eyes rolling back into their heads. This happens at around the 1:10 mark. Here's the video and my translation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un1w5JgnwnI quote:Man: ... we're going to being talking about a proposal for the Nueva Esparta Youth Law. Let's give the this legal initiative a hand! Going to school in Venezuela must be like taking a trip into a bad Twilight Zone episode.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 19:59 |
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Today El Aissami hit back at the imperialist propaganda that sought to discredit him by painting him as a drug trafficker that used his position to steal from his country by... taking out a full-page ad in the New York Times? https://twitter.com/FranciscoPoleoR/status/834433700175704066/ According to this article (http://www.poynter.org/2015/new-york-times-publishes-full-page-ad-celebrating-jon-stewart/363493/) from two years ago, a full-page ad in black and white went for approximately $150,000 back then. These guys are really not good when it comes to picking up on the irony of the poo poo they say and do. Update: It gets better – apparently he feels comfortable dropping ridiculous amounts of money on rambling, ineffective ads, but the guy couldn't be bothered to hire someone to proofread the drat thing. Labradoodle fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Feb 22, 2017 |
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Before reading the ad, I was convinced that El Aissami must have had a lawyer draft it. After reading the ad, I am convinced that he did not. It's got quite a few typos and lots of grammatical errors. I wonder if he wrote it himself?
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 22:22 |
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Bitter manioc and sweet manioc come from the same wild ancestor, the difference being the different levels of cyanotoxin present in the root. Both have been consumed for literally millennia in South America, along with yams, which are a different family altogether (Dioscorae). Most yams consumed around the world today originate from an African, rather than American variety, while all Manihot (known as cassava, yuca, mandioca as per different native language families) originate from the Americas. Detoxifying bitter yuca, which is more nutritious than sweet yuca (not actually sweet, more like a potato), is a very long winded process that consumes up to 80% of an indigenous woman's working hours from harvest to plate. It has the advantage of being resistant to pests and can be processed to store almost indefinitely. Pre-Columbian civilisations in lowland South America, inhabiting the floodplains of the Orinoco and Amazon rivers, have been fueled mainly by the incredible productivity and variety of yuca, together with the vast fish stocks of these rivers. It's still a crime that a family died because bitter manioc was their last resort in modern Venezuela.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 22:31 |
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My god, it's just, I can't stop being surprised by how loving delusional the Venezuelan government is. I've never seen something as ridiculous as this, I mean, this is exactly what a drug cartel leader would do.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 22:55 |
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My favourite bit from the ad aside from the grammatical and spelling errors is the evidence that El Aissami provides to show that he can't possibly be a drug trafficker:quote:You should be aware that when I headed the public security corps of my country, in 2008-2012, our fight against drug cartels achieved the greatest progress in our history and in the western hemisphere, both in terms of the transnational drug trafficking business and their logistics structures [sic]. During those years, the Venezuelan anti-drug enforcement authorities under my leadership captured, arrested and brought 102 heads of criminal drug trafficking organizations not only to the Venezuelan justice but also to the justice of other countries where they were wanted. From these 102 captured drug lords, 21 were promptly deported to the USA and 36 to Colombia, in accordance with the requests made by the authorities of each country and in compliance with the international agreements on the fight against organized crimes, facts formally acknowledged by the US and Colombian authorities. EDIT: It's the same as a cop breaking the law and saying, "I'm innocent! Don't you know how many bad guys I've arrested in my career?". Chuck Boone fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Feb 22, 2017 |
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Here's the full text of the ad: quote:Public Letter to the Department of the Treasury of the United States of America I'm really curious to know who wrote this. At first I thought that El Aissami might have hired a (presumably English native speaker) US-based lawyer to do this, but after reading the ad I'm not sure that's the case. If it is, El Aissami wasted his money. The elementary errors (i.e., inconsistent use of "US", "U.S.", "USA", and the outright wrong "U.S") suggests that the person who wrote this probably isn't used to writing in general, at least not for an audience. There are also loads of grammatical, spelling and other errors that I think are consistent with the theory that the person who wrote this is a native Spanish speaker who does not have a full grasp on English. For example:
Vlex posted:Bitter manioc and sweet manioc come from the same wild ancestor, the difference being the different levels of cyanotoxin present in the root. Both have been consumed for literally millennia in South America, along with yams, which are a different family altogether (Dioscorae). Most yams consumed around the world today originate from an African, rather than American variety, while all Manihot (known as cassava, yuca, mandioca as per different native language families) originate from the Americas.
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# ? Feb 23, 2017 05:32 |
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Out of curiosity, how prevalent is cocaine in Venezuela? Like if you go into a bar area in a rich pet of town, will someone come by and offer to sell you cocaine while you're drinking your beer (like in Lima or Medellin) or is it more of a primarily-trafficking substance and not so popular locally?
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# ? Feb 23, 2017 10:13 |
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Saladman posted:Out of curiosity, how prevalent is cocaine in Venezuela? Like if you go into a bar area in a rich pet of town, will someone come by and offer to sell you cocaine while you're drinking your beer (like in Lima or Medellin) or is it more of a primarily-trafficking substance and not so popular locally? I hadn't seen anybody ever use cocaine until I arrived in Sweden, ironically. I know it is sold in Venezuela because a friend claims to have had some, but it is either far too expensive or far too unprofitable for it to be sold in any of the night clubs I've ever been to. If you're being offered cocaine in a bar in Venezuela I suggest you run, because that likely means they figured out you're a foreigner.
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# ? Feb 23, 2017 18:46 |
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Saladman posted:Out of curiosity, how prevalent is cocaine in Venezuela? Like if you go into a bar area in a rich pet of town, will someone come by and offer to sell you cocaine while you're drinking your beer (like in Lima or Medellin) or is it more of a primarily-trafficking substance and not so popular locally? I know that it is sold at my university (Universidad del Zulia) without much of a hassle at the faculty of engineering at 2500 bs 2 years ago. I guess that with inflation it must be above 10,000 bs per gram.
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# ? Feb 24, 2017 00:42 |
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fnox posted:I hadn't seen anybody ever use cocaine until I arrived in Sweden, ironically. I know it is sold in Venezuela because a friend claims to have had some, but it is either far too expensive or far too unprofitable for it to be sold in any of the night clubs I've ever been to. If you're being offered cocaine in a bar in Venezuela I suggest you run, because that likely means they figured out you're a foreigner. Well poo poo, I guess I look too much like a local for anyone to offer to sell me coke. On the other hand, there's this Spanish bar where I hang out sometimes and the bartender is always offering to sell me whatever he's bachaqueando that day, from deodorant to Harina Pan.
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# ? Feb 24, 2017 01:45 |
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Uhh, at least up to the point I left, cocaine is everywhere and easy to score. Well, easy if you're willing to go into the barrios and risk getting mugged or killed because you're too sifrino, but cokeheads aren't known for their safety concerns. Almost every dude that "helps" you park on the street at night can get you a gram right then and there. It wasn't specially expensive but definitely not something anyone can afford to get hooked on.
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# ? Feb 24, 2017 08:05 |
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The country's top court, the Tribunal Supremo de Justicia (TSJ), got a new president (chief justice) today: a man named Maikel Moreno Perez. He replaces Gladys Gutierrez, who has been head of the TSJ since 2013. Here are some selected bits from Moreno's CV:
Aside from being a twice-convicted murderer, another reason why Moreno probably shouldn't be the top judge in the country is that in order to be president of the TSJ you have to have a graduate degree in law, which Moreno doesn't have. So... uhh... the head of the Venezuelan Supreme Court does not have the required legal qualifications and has murdered at least two people.
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# ? Feb 24, 2017 22:12 |
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You say "convicted of murder as a police officer twice", I say " has a long history of being tough on crime".
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# ? Feb 24, 2017 23:35 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:You say "convicted of murder as a police officer twice", I say " has a long history of being tough on crime". The two murders he was "involved in" are highly curious. He was part of Carlos Andres Perez' (the president against whom Chavez attempted a coup) security detail during the first one, as well as part as the DISIP ( the intelligence corps back then, since then replaced by the SEBIN) , and the murder took place within a residential building. The second case was that of Danilo Anderson, a prosecutor that was killed while investigating some of the crimes and murders committed during the 2002 coup. Moreno also put Ivan Simonovis in jail, the police chief of Caracas during the 2002 coup, who was convicted to a 30-year sentence by the Chavez regime for his "part" in enabling the violence during the coup, although there's no substantial evidence against him. He's been held in Ramo Verde alongside Leopoldo for over a decade and a half now. Our new Chief Justice is also famous for his lavish lifestyle and having married a former Miss Venezuela. Labradoodle fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Feb 25, 2017 |
# ? Feb 25, 2017 00:06 |
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Venezuela loses right to vote in the UN due to unpaid debts totalling $24 million. I don't know what to say.
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# ? Feb 26, 2017 04:04 |
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Some news from the last little while:
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# ? Mar 1, 2017 16:57 |
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It is disheartening to consider that this prison bank might be more functional than many high street ones right now.
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# ? Mar 1, 2017 19:59 |
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I'm pretty sure at this point that a prison bank could also issue currency that exchanges with dollars more favorably than bolivares.
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# ? Mar 1, 2017 20:16 |
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Feinne posted:I'm pretty sure at this point that a prison bank could also issue currency that exchanges with dollars more favorably than bolivares. Like pebbles.
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# ? Mar 1, 2017 23:33 |
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Hugoon Chavez posted:Like pebbles. Or teeth.
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# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:55 |
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"Venezuela is a dictatorship and PSUV does what it wants." The issue with Curacazo is that the event still exists. The solution for PSUV going forward may be to re-frame the event as a time when capitalist swine raped and pillaged the barrios to steal gasoline, or to simply deny that the event ever occured. I dont know posted:Or teeth. Teeth are not a valuable export. Livers, kidneys, retinas, testes, now there's some collateral. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Mar 2, 2017 |
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http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/01/news/economy/venezuela-cash/ well poo poo. Venezuela only has $10.5 billion in foreign reserves left.
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# ? Mar 2, 2017 01:33 |
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In a country like Venezuela I guess I'd rather go to a military prison than a civilian one. Big time.
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# ? Mar 2, 2017 04:27 |
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Yes, I know this is sourced from a Breitbart article, but the CFR and senate testimony PDF's are pretty damning when it comes to PSUV collusion with the Sinaloa and Los Zetas Cartels. http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/03/03/narco-state-u-s-confirms-venezuelan-officials-engage-drug-trade/ http://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/030217_ONeil_Testimony_REVISED.pdf http://www.foreign.senate.gov/hearings/venezuela-options-for-us-policy-030217 I guess we have the plot for season 3 of "Narcos." MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Mar 4, 2017 |
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Yesterday was the four year anniversary of Chavez's death, and the regime marked it with an ALBA meeting in the Miraflores Palace in Caracas. A popular slogan in the country today is "Chavez vive!" (Chavez lives). It means that while his body may have died, his spirit is still alive not just in the hearts of revolutionaries, but also in even more abstract concepts such as one's love for the homeland. For example, this is part of what Maduro said about Chavez yesterday: quote:Today, you are the love for our homeland, the struggle for sovereignty, and the determination to never give up. Beloved Commander, the people know that you live through the commitment to victory, [and they are] certain in achieving your dream which is Bolivar’s dream: a free Venezuela and a great homeland. A political science professor at the Universidad Central de Venezuela came up with his own take on what he thinks when he hears the phrase "Chavez vive". His name is Pedro Urruchurtu, and this is what he wrote: quote:Let us not forget that Chavez lives in every bullet that is fired, in every airplane full of “goodbyes”, in every expression of hatred and resentment. MullardEL34 posted:Yes, I know this is sourced from a Breitbart article, but the CFR and senate testimony PDF's are pretty damning when it comes to PSUV collusion with the Sinaloa and Los Zetas Cartels. Thanks for posting these. The expert testimony makes for a really interesting read. It's worth pointing out that out of the three experts, Smilde is the only one who does not support more sanctions against Venezuelan officials, and I think he makes a compelling case. He argues that sanctions help to strengthen the PSUV rhetoric that it is under attack by El Imperio because its leaders are brave revolutionaries, and perhaps more importantly, it discourages officials who might be looking to jump ship by making collaboration with the U.S. government less plausible.
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# ? Mar 6, 2017 16:35 |
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This will definitely help the food crisis: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article138964428.html Facing a bread shortage that is spawning massive lines and souring the national mood, the Venezuelan government is responding this week by detaining bakers and seizing establishments. In a press release, the National Superintendent for the Defense of Socioeconomic Rights said it had charged four people and temporarily seized two bakeries as the socialist administration accused bakers of being part of a broad “economic war” aimed at destabilizing the country.
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# ? Mar 17, 2017 15:24 |
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Sinteres posted:This will definitely help the food crisis: Yes, it's clearly the people making bread who are committing economic war against the people of VZ, not the socialist retards in charge
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# ? Mar 17, 2017 15:52 |
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Maduro coined the term "Bread War" back in mid-February to refer to his theory that bakers were in league with foreign/domestic enemies to stop baking and selling bread because (???). This crackdown on bakeries started on Monday, when Maduro and VP Tarek El Aissami went on television and outline a new set of regulations for the 700+ bakeries in Caracas. They said that every bakery has to sell its first loaf of bread by 7:00 AM. Bakeries are also forbidden from letting lines form. Later in the week, Freddy Bernal (a PSUV bigwig) said that they were floating around the idea of forcing bakeries to remain open 24/7 to ensure continues bread supply, but who knows if that's seriously been considered as an idea. It's so stupid that I think it might be. As far as I'm aware, only bakeries in Caracas are being targeted right now. The regime "inspection" teams tasked with checking on the bakeries are made up of people from the agency in charge of regulating and monitoring prices, as well as "members from the Bolivarian militia". I don't know if the militia members are formally armed when they're out conducting these checks. Of course, as the article Sinteres pointed out that main reason why bakeries don't have bread is because they don't have flour. Imports are down 21.6% from last year and the national bakers' guild has been warning for months and months that there isn't nearly enough flour coming into Venezuela to meet demand. In other words, what the PSUV is asking bakeries is to magically produce bread while it actively works to stop them from doing that. In another bit of news, OAS Secretary General Luis Almagro is pushing hard for suspending Venezuela from the organization again. He released a report on Wednesday calling for immediate elections in the country or he would move to invoke Article 21 of the Inter-American Democratic Charter on the country, which would suspend it from the OAS until it got its act together.
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# ? Mar 17, 2017 16:19 |
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It's also worth noting bread loaves are regulated. That means bakeries sell them at a steep loss, which they then recoup through pastries and sweets. If bakeries are forced to use 90% of the flour they get to produce loaves and lose money on every sale, they're not going to be able to make and sell enough unregulated products to stay in the black. In short, if the government insists on cracking down as hard as they're saying, they're going to bankrupt most bakeries, which I'm guessing they will then seize and continue running into the ground. I mean, these clowns have a 0% success record as far as expropriated companies go from what I know. There isn't a single instance where they seized a factory or business and actually managed to increase production or even turn a profit, that kind of commitment to ineptitude is almost impressive.
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# ? Mar 17, 2017 17:02 |
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Labradoodle posted:It's also worth noting bread loaves are regulated. That means bakeries sell them at a steep loss, which they then recoup through pastries and sweets. If bakeries are forced to use 90% of the flour they get to produce loaves and lose money on every sale, they're not going to be able to make and sell enough unregulated products to stay in the black. They should probably close down anyway. The government is bringing criminal charges against bakers for having lines or not selling x number of loaves when they are only allocated enough flour to make 5% of that number. It not just that bakers are being driven out of business by the government, the government is sending them to jail as scapegoats.
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# ? Mar 17, 2017 17:19 |
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Literally jailing people trying to feed a starving country.
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# ? Mar 17, 2017 18:06 |
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When you say letting lines form or having lines, what does that mean? I can't imagine how a store is supposed to keep from having lines form.
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