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Hiro Protagonist posted:Thanks, yeah, it has the same ban list as modern. So, to cover all the bases... Does it include the pauper ban list as well? Does a card have to be printed at common in a modern legality set? Or is it sufficient to have been printed at common in any printing and also have been printed in modern? All that said, oof the modern ban list alone kicks affinity too hard. I'd go Tron or Stompy, since the format is so much of a question mark I don't know what answers to pack.
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Tron doesn't really lose anything aside from some sideboard cards like Tangle or Moment's Peace. I can't think of anything that Stompy loses.
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suicidesteve posted:Tron doesn't really lose anything aside from some sideboard cards like Tangle or Moment's Peace. I can't think of anything that Stompy loses. quirion ranger
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If I wanted to put together a handful of decks to smash into each other, what would a good spread of interesting archetypes be?
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Some Numbers posted:If I wanted to put together a handful of decks to smash into each other, what would a good spread of interesting archetypes be? Could do worse than going to MTGTop8 and looking at some league 5-0s. How many decks did you want to throw together, and do you want to put together sideboards for them?
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PJOmega posted:Could do worse than going to MTGTop8 and looking at some league 5-0s. Probably no more than half a dozen, just for some variety. I haven't decided about sideboards.
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Feb 28, 2017 21:43
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Some Numbers posted:Probably no more than half a dozen, just for some variety. I haven't decided about sideboards. Here's my battle box.   Basically a deck of each color, plus Affinity and two spicy multicolor decks. Currently I have: White Tokens Mono-Blue Delver Mono-Black Control Goblins Stompy Affinity Kuldotha Jeskai Slivers Maybe add Teachings or some combo deck, but most people don't want to play against those. If you're only doing six, just do a deck of each color plus a Kuldotha value deck, or maybe Affinity. If you're making six decks, though, it should be cheap enough that maybe you want to make more decks....   Pucatrade was real good for turning a bunch of lovely EDH cards into a large number of lovely commons, without me needing to go through a bunch of long boxes of bulk at a bunch of different shops/venders. Pucatrade is currently dead as hell, even for a bunch of bulk, so I advise against wasting time on it. If you've got a good LGS you can probably make up some lists and pick all the cards up for like $100.
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Hellsau posted:If you've got a good LGS you can probably make up some lists and pick all the cards up for like $100. I want to throw Burn together, but Chain Lightnings, Rift Bolts and Lava Spikes are all multiple dollars at my LGS. Which is Card Kingdom. But yeah, that was my plan.
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Wait, I just looked at that third picture. There's a Pauper Oops All Spells?! I need a list for that and Song of the Damned.
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Some Numbers posted:Wait, I just looked at that third picture. There's a Pauper Oops All Spells?! I need a list for that and Song of the Damned. It is usually called One land spy, it sucks and you shouldn't bother. CK runs pauper tournaments every couple of months so their pauper cards usually get bought out and then need to be restocked.
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Some Numbers posted:Wait, I just looked at that third picture. There's a Pauper Oops All Spells?! I need a list for that and Song of the Damned. Fair warning, you basically can't beat someone who plays counterspells or graveyard removal or just gains life. But that's part of the fun! Oops All Spells Songs of the Damned oh also the Oops All Spells deck is absurdly expensive.
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Hellsau posted:Fair warning, you basically can't beat someone who plays counterspells or graveyard removal or just gains life. But that's part of the fun! It's fun to hand to someone without explanation, but it's a bad, expensive joke that wears real thin.
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I've had pretty good luck as of late with picking up commons off of Deckbox, especially if you have random poo poo rares or poo poo foils that are of similar worth. Last week I traded a bunch of bulk rares that I hadn't touched in 10+ years for half a Pauper deck, it was nice. Just wishlist the commons you want and someone will get to you sooner or later.
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Notable common downshift: Call of the Conclave Dinrova Horror Spike Jester Gift of Orzhova Magma Jet Scourge Devil Thunderous Wrath(!!!!!!!) Mortician Beetle Grixis Slavedriver Falkenrath Noble Cower in Fear Augur of Bola Tandem Lookout Jesus Christ Burn is going to be insane.
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Mar 3, 2017 17:34
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Pitfall Trap as well.Some Numbers posted:Am I underrating T Wrath? Seems a bit optimistic, but it's an answer to Gurmag Angler for red, and you can set it up with ponder or brainstorm (or magma jet!!). 5 Face damage is a lot as well.
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Granted, 5 is a huge number for R, but in Burn you're never hardcasting it and you can't set it up. It seems great for an Izzet deck though.
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Some Numbers posted:Granted, 5 is a huge number for R, but in Burn you're never hardcasting it and you can't set it up. You lose with Burn when you flood out or when the opponent has a hate card. I'm just going to jam 4 Magma Jets 4 Thunderous Wraths and go bananas.
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Fair enough! I'm willing to believe it's pretty great. What would you say is the ideal Burn list at this point?
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take out all the creatures play 4 thunderous wrath 4 magma jet e: nvm people finally stopped playing non-Keldon Marauder creatures. idk then just add all of the 1 mana 3 damage spells, fireblasts, then jets, then wraths
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:take out all the creatures Legit cannot wait for an opponent to Chittering Rats my opening hand Thunderous Wrath back to the top of my deck.
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4 Curse of the Pierced Heart 4 Lightning Bolt 4 Lava Spike 4 Rift Bolt 4 Chain Lightning 4 Magma Jet 4 Searing Blaze 2 Flame Rift 4 Thunderous Wrath 4 Fireblast 16 Mountain 2 Forgotten Cave
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Cactrot posted:Legit cannot wait for an opponent to Chittering Rats my opening hand Thunderous Wrath back to the top of my deck. lol that interaction and the lack of any creatures makes the MBC match STRONGLY in Burn's favor now. Needle Drop is probably still fine, since you can just Drop on the opponent's turn with an instant or a Curse trigger. It definitely requires patience since just running out the drop on your turn and drawing a Miracle is pretty disasterous.
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Could Spike Jester, along with Jund Hackblade and Rakdos Shred-Freak work as a core to a BR aggro deck?
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Needle Drop into Thunderous Wrath on their turn. Live the dream.
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Rules question, since I hate miracle triggers. I'm flicker rats playing against NuBurn. They draw Thunderous Wrath, reveal, and put the miracle trigger on the stack. Can I flicker a Chittering Rat to put the Thunderous Wrath back on top of their deck, preventing the Thunderous Wrath from being cast? Addendum, if that's possible. Later in the turn, if they deal draw the Thunderous Wrath again would they be able to trigger Miracle? I'm assuming no because it is no longer their first card of the turn but you never know.
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PJOmega posted:Rules question, since I hate miracle triggers. I have no idea how the first interaction works, but the second one definitely doesn't. Miracle is only the first card you draw, so they'd pass the turn and then Needle Drop you to Miracle it. I wasn't sure how much I liked Needle Drop, but it makes Wrath more palatable, so maybe it's still worth the slot.
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The line of bolt->Needle Drop->blind flip Thunderous Wrath is so absurdly optimistic that it shouldn't be used as a selling point for the card
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on the other hand you could just draw it in your draw step and then pay one mana and deal five damage, at the cost of not playing many other bad cards
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little munchkin posted:The line of bolt->Needle Drop->blind flip Thunderous Wrath is so absurdly optimistic that it shouldn't be used as a selling point for the card You mean my obviously magical Christmasland scenario isn't guaranteed?!
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Would Augur of Bolas be a straight upgrade over Sea Gate Oracle in UB control decks, or would you have to lean a little heavier towards spells vs creatures in order to make it work?
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I know I have appreciated finding my next land drop off an Oracle more than once. I don't think it's a straight upgrade but I think a split could be useful.
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Thunderous Wrath is pretty bad without Magma Jet, for every time you flip it off the top and get to hit them for 5 there'll be another time where it clogs up your opener doing 0. So ~2.5 damage for one card, which isn't great (but might be okay? I'm not familiar enough with what you'll be replacing it with to know if that's worthwhile). With Jet, you probably see enough cards in a game to make it worthwhile as far as damage-per-card goes, though it's still really high variance. Honestly though I think it's mostly insane in UR delver or blitz decks where you have brainstorm to make it a basically a 100% hit.
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Hellsau posted:Here's my battle box. Hold on, I think I saw Jund there. What the hell is that list even running? Edit: Also, with Gift of Orzhova now common, I have decided - the next deck I am building is B/W mimic, and I don't care how poo poo it is!
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C-Euro posted:Would Augur of Bolas be a straight upgrade over Sea Gate Oracle in UB control decks, or would you have to lean a little heavier towards spells vs creatures in order to make it work? Missing on Augur is horrible. It's really, really bad. However...it's yet another enabler for Brainstorm, and it's the two drop blocker that was sorely needed. That version of Red Deck Wins that basically folds to two removal spells and a blocker is going to be substantially worse when you're getting to play your Sea Gate Oracles a turn earlier. I'm going to try 4 Augur, 4 Oracle, 4 Mulldrifters and some Mancers and one or two Rats, and see if that'll work. Also no joke that Nightsky deck is actually almost real. Nightsky Mimic is basically Heart of Kiran - it's a 4/4 flier for two mana! It was really missing another card or two that were WB, and Gift of Orzhova is the kind of card that makes a complete mockery of creature races. I'm willing to try it out, anyway. Here's the list that I built for my box: 2 Blind Hunter 2 Castigate 2 Doom Blade 4 Edge of the Divinity 4 Kingpin's Pet 2 Mourning Thrull 4 Nightsky Mimic 4 Nip Gwyllion 2 Orzhov Basilica 4 Pillory of the Sleepless 9 Plains 4 Scoured Barrens 9 Swamp 4 Tithe Drinker 4 Unmake Sideboard: 4 Beckon Apparition 2 Castigate 2 Disenchant 2 Echoing Decay 3 Guardian of the Guildpact 2 Rune of Protection: Green Blind Hunter and Doom Blade can probably go. also Jund 3 Gurmag Angler 4 Liliana's Specter 2 Phyrexian Rager 4 Putrid Leech 4 Satyr Wayfinder 3 Blightning 4 Chainer's Edict 3 Firebolt 2 Flame Slash 2 Raven's Crime 4 Lightning Bolt 2 Terminate 3 Bloodfell Caves 1 Bojuka Bog 2 Forest 2 Haunted Fengraf 3 Jund Panorama 2 Jungle Hollow 3 Mountain 2 Rugged Highlands 5 Swamp 1 Ancient Grudge 1 Duress 2 Electrickery 1 Evincar's Justice 2 Golgari Brownscale 1 Gorilla Shaman 2 Magma Spray 1 Pyroblast 2 Relic of Progenitus 2 Serene Heart e: wait, gently caress. Augur + Thunderous Wrath + Brainstorm means I probably need to just make UR Control with 12 creatures (Augur, Oracle, Mulldrifter), 22 lands and 26 spells, and just abuse the hell out of Brainstorm and Wrath. Hellsau fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Mar 4, 2017 |
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Hellsau posted:e: wait, gently caress. Augur + Thunderous Wrath + Brainstorm means I probably need to just make UR Control with 12 creatures (Augur, Oracle, Mulldrifter), 22 lands and 26 spells, and just abuse the hell out of Brainstorm and Wrath. I had a similar idea. Here's a first draft for what I want to play at a local pauper league: // 60 Maindeck // 14 Creature 4 Mulldrifter 4 Sea Gate Oracle 4 Augur of Bolas 2 Archaeomancer // 21 Instant 4 Magma Jet 3 Thunderous Wrath 4 Brainstorm 4 Lightning Bolt 2 Ghostly Flicker 4 Counterspell // 21 Land 4 Evolving Wilds 4 Terramorphic Expanse 5 Mountain 4 Island 4 Swiftwater Cliffs // 4 Sorcery 4 Ponder // 16 Sideboard // 5 Creature SB: 4 Gorilla Shaman SB: 1 Sea Gate Oracle // 11 Instant SB: 4 Dispel SB: 2 Negate SB: 2 Remove Soul SB: 3 Pyroblast I think you need archaeomancer + flicker or something similar because otherwise the deck doesn't really have a wincon
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Some Numbers posted:Ash Barrens over one of the Evolving Wilds? Maybe. I like wilds better because you can keep wilds + cantrip with no other lands but can't keep barrens + cantrip. Plus I was planning on building it in paper and don't want to buy barrens.
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