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Trumpenproletariat posted:lolling pretty hard at the idea that leftists could have any kind of influence in a democratic party ruled by Tom Perez and the Clintonites yet are still expected to turn out and vote against their interests every 4 years. vote out the centrists instead of whining that the centrists don't listen to you
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comedyblissoption posted:no you're supposed to be focusing on bernie bros and third party voters and make the wierd assumption that gary johnson votes are supposed to be your votes 
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Main Paineframe posted:vote out the centrists instead of whining that the centrists don't listen to you wtf do you think the left is trying to do
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dont complain about donald trump, just vote him out of office
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Ace of Baes posted:dont complain about donald trump, just vote him out of office im voting right now
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er, i meant making GBS threads loving autocorrect
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guys it turns out we just have to show up when elections come around and do nothing else the rest of the time, who would have thought the democratic party was using the winning strategey this whole time
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zegermans posted:Dems would run MLK and smear Malcolm X about his supposed ties to the Nation of Islam lmao if you think the establishment dems would back a socialist
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can we start a gofundme or something to get bernie an internet connection https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/838162392433508352 poor guy hasn't seen the news in months
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That's just his boot-up message.
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Whether Democrat or Republican, the only way there will be any progressive change is through a mass movement putting serious pressure on the ruling class to represent the interests of the majority of their constituents. Naming the democratic party as the only hope for the American worker, which must be supported at all costs is exactly what allowed them to act like neoliberal shitheads for the past 25 years.
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Trumpenproletariat posted:Whether Democrat or Republican, the only way there will be any progressive change is through a mass movement putting serious pressure on the ruling class to represent the interests of the majority of their constituents. No amount of pressure will convince our corporate royalty to represent the majority of their constituents. Metaphorical guillotine is the only way.
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mormonpartyboat posted:can we start a gofundme or something to get bernie an internet connection Not gonna lie, internet choices in VT are decidedly non-optimal for much of the state.
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GlyphGryph posted:No amount of pressure will convince our corporate royalty to represent the majority of their constituents. Metaphorical guillotine is the only way. I wouldn't be so absolute. We can still use a literal guillotine.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Not gonna lie, internet choices in VT are decidedly non-optimal for much of the state.
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Anything faster than dial up is capitalist
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Ace of Baes posted:wtf do you think the left is trying to do for the most part? whine endlessly on the internet about how the centrists haven't already handed all power over to them
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Main Paineframe posted:for the most part? whine endlessly on the internet about how the centrists haven't already handed all power over to them I would recommend purging the whiners but then there would be literally no one left in any political party and...well I'm sure there'd be a downside to that eventually.
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Main Paineframe posted:for the most part? whine endlessly on the internet about how the centrists haven't already handed all power over to them There's a world outside of your computer.
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Main Paineframe posted:for the most part? whine endlessly on the internet about how the centrists haven't already handed all power over to them Yeah the centrists have done so well with that power...
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Main Paineframe posted:for the most part? whine endlessly on the internet about how the centrists haven't already handed all power over to them It's best if you look in to local politics wherever you are. People are energized and angry and are legitimately getting involved trying to change things. The idea that the left wing isn't doing anything when attendance of democratic events is through the roof everywhere and there's protests going on all over the place isn't one that's connected with how people are acting.
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got any sevens posted:Yeah the centrists have done so well with that power... There's still effort to be invested ya dingus
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Good first steps: running for every position in the DNC instead of just two of them
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logikv9 posted:Good first steps: running for every position in the DNC instead of just two of them Most DNC positions, especially the ones with power, arent elected. Did you know lobbyists get permanent seats by virtue of being lobbyists? Sometimes I suspect the DNC is not a great organization. Still we should take the ones we can because otherwise its gonna keep being useless poo poo and same at the state level where we have things like my local Democratic budget committee, who have basically declared war on the left in the state. Of course they are majority nonelected or serve for life and have no elected positions up until after 2020 so we cant do anything about them directly but we can make progress.
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logikv9 posted:Good first steps: running for every position in the DNC instead of just two of them
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GlyphGryph posted:Most DNC positions, especially the ones with power, arent elected. Did you know lobbyists get permanent seats by virtue of being lobbyists? Sometimes I suspect the DNC is not a great organization. The election they just had for Chair wasn't just for Chair, it was like 6-7 positions like for Vice Chairs, Secretary, and Treasurer. The treasurer dude was a banking guy and he won because he didn't have an opponent.
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Main Paineframe posted:for the most part? whine endlessly on the internet about how the centrists haven't already handed all power over to them I think you are projecting pretty hard here. There are massive amounts of organizing and ground level activity working towards meaningful change, and you should really go out and get involved with it. The internet serves one primary purpose - setting a drumbeat for emotional engagement with the issues at hand. Even on the better parts of the internet that will come across as whining if you are out of the loop and have no idea what ends that poo poo is actively beinh put towards.
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I'm phone posting but imagine I posted that dems Twitter photo of their newly elected leadership, and then realize only two of those spots were contested by people who were previously Bernie supporters
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It was chair (Ellison) and one of the vice chairs (Sanders outreach dude). Everything else was obama vs obama
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logikv9 posted:The election they just had for Chair wasn't just for Chair, it was like 6-7 positions like for Vice Chairs, Secretary, and Treasurer. I am in no way disagreeing with you but running for chair positions isnt gonna accomplish poo poo until you have enough voting members that you can win and candidates who could actually get an internal party campaign off the ground, meaning they arent better off elsewhere doing other things. Ellison had public pressure behind him but that was only going to be possible because he was still already an insider in many ways and he could serve as an attention grabber. We probably dont have anyone in a position to run and win and make a difference in this kind of stuff... yet. The leftist bench has been starved for a while, and most of the new faces are still very fresh. We gotta keep working, one step at a time, pushing our own people up from the bottom and giving them a base of support at each level, because we dont get to vote on stuff like this directly and we will have no leverage to make those who do act the way we want until we replace a chunk of them and can scare the others. GlyphGryph has issued a correction as of 02:37 on Mar 5, 2017 |
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GlyphGryph posted:I am in no way disagreeing with you but running for chair positions isnt gonna accomplish poo poo until you have enough voting members that you can win and candidates who could actually get an internal party campaign off the ground, meaning they arent better off elsewhere doing other things. Ellison had public pressure behind him but that was only going to be possible because he was still already an insider in many ways and he could serve as an attention grabber. We probably dont have anyone in a position to run and win and make a difference in this kind of stuff... yet. *Sighs, stares out the window* Buttigieg...Woulda won.
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logikv9 posted:*Sighs, stares out the window* ...if we had a decent DNC membership. So if we want someone like him to win next time, knowing now for sure that we dont and thats another problem we need to fix, we need to make it happen.
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Although we gotta be careful, the establishment figures are gonna use this little uprising as an opportunity to replace their own troublesome dissenting voices with new more useful opportunists or at least with fresh faced idiots, just like they did last time around in the 70s where they directed the rage against the establishment directly at the old labour rights folks that were getting in the way of their pro corporate overtures and used the new energy to replace them with bankers. Dunno the best way to do that but we definitely gotta be cautious of it.
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Main Paineframe posted:for the most part? whine endlessly on the internet about how the centrists haven't already handed all power over to them Just who do you think is going to democrat town halls and threatening to primary dems?
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logikv9 posted:*Sighs, stares out the window*
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logikv9 posted:The election they just had for Chair wasn't just for Chair, it was like 6-7 positions like for Vice Chairs, Secretary, and Treasurer. It would have been a great use of time and resources to run additional people for DNC these positions and they definitely wouldn't have lost to entrenched party insiders even though Keith Ellison, who was endorsed by Chuck Schumer, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, even Pete Buttergreg, lost to a 900 year old vampire man who couldn't read a doctor Seuss book without sounding like he was about to collapse into a puddle of just for men touch of gray.
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quote:In the interest of transparency, as well as in compliance with the DNC Rules regarding no secret ballots, we have consulted with the Chair and a tally sheet of how each member voted in contested elections will be made available to interested parties upon request. This sheet will list each member and how his or her votes were cast. Lmao
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Terror Sweat posted:Lmao Someone better leak that list.
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Ace of Baes posted:It would have been a great use of time and resources to run additional people for DNC these positions and they definitely wouldn't have lost to entrenched party insiders even though Keith Ellison, who was endorsed by Chuck Schumer, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, even Pete Buttergreg, lost to a 900 year old vampire man who couldn't read a doctor Seuss book without sounding like he was about to collapse into a puddle of just for men touch of gray. ugh just too hard, better just not try
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MizPiz posted:Someone better leak that list. It's gonna be pretty hard to do that when you have to look at it under supervision during office hours and you are booked by appointment, and you have until may 6th
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