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The_Doctor posted:Why is Martok's ship one tiny BoP? Why is General Martok ordered around on escort missions? Are there only about 5 ships in the Klingon fleet? Some kind of inverse plot armor?
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The_Doctor posted:Why is Martok's ship one tiny BoP? Why is General Martok ordered around on escort missions? Are there only about 5 ships in the Klingon fleet? Front line combat is more HONOURABLE  e: oh geez that smiley is horrifying
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The_Doctor posted:Why is Martok's ship one tiny BoP? Why is General Martok ordered around on escort missions? Are there only about 5 ships in the Klingon fleet? It's sort of like with the Jedi, or given as a vague reward for something or other like Han Solo. alternately, If he wants a bigger ship he drat well better kill someone and take it.
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Mar 5, 2017 01:19
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The_Doctor posted:Why is Martok's ship one tiny BoP? Why is General Martok ordered around on escort missions? Are there only about 5 ships in the Klingon fleet? He's given the Rotarran as his first command after being a PoW as an easy first job back to whip them back into shape and in the process he gets his confidence back and then sticks with that ship and crew because he's emotionally attached, I guess?
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TBQH there is nothing more honorable than taking a small ship, crewed by a band of warriors bonded by their loyalty to their commander, up against all odds fighting the most fearsome foe the Empire has ever known. If I were a Klingon general, I would do everything I could to hold on to that command.
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Apollodorus posted:TBQH there is nothing more honorable than taking a small ship, crewed by a band of warriors bonded by their loyalty to their commander, up against all odds fighting the most fearsome foe the Empire has ever known. If I were a Klingon general, I would do everything I could to hold on to that command. Yea that basically sounds like the ultimate Klingon opera set up.
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vermin posted:Spock: This alien god has a feminine voice in the universal translator. Now I may be a Vulcan, but even I can tell when an alien woman is thirsty for poontang, Zephraim. To be fair, he was a lot more fun and DTF when he was drunk and all Oobie Doobie... 
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Tsaedje posted:He's given the Rotarran as his first command after being a PoW as an easy first job back to whip them back into shape and in the process he gets his confidence back and then sticks with that ship and crew because he's emotionally attached, I guess? Yeah. Gowron used the new Negh'var because he was a pussy.
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Evek posted:Yeah. Gowron used the new Negh'var because he was a pussy. 
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Hey, the science lady that was with us is dead, maybe your alien rape being can inhabit her and you can gently caress her forever or whatever. Anyway, later Zephs.
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Ducked out for a few weeks. I read the flaming wreck of discovery news (production stuff), have they given up yet or still pushing through?
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Kingtheninja posted:Ducked out for a few weeks. I read the flaming wreck of discovery news (production stuff), have they given up yet or still pushing through? It's been decided that it will premiere this fall. But even then, it'll probably get pushed again. Hence, why I decided to refer to it as City on the Edge of Duke Nukem Forever.
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At this point Discovery has a slightly better chance of coming out than Axanar. Slightly.
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She was in "In Truth Is There No Beauty?" too
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Kingtheninja posted:Ducked out for a few weeks. I read the flaming wreck of discovery news (production stuff), have they given up yet or still pushing through? I still can't help but cynically wonder if there's at least one CBS executive who feels frustrated that they can't justify canceling because the series is already effectively bought and paid for. That said I think it would take some mind-bogglingly bad cost overruns for them to walk away at this point.
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The first season is already paid for, but I'm waiting for the inevitable announcement that Discovery is now a "Limited Event Series" or something similar.
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Lore murdering a shipload of Pakleds is one of my favorite throwaway lines.
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I'm bored and seriously considering converting the Enterprise-D's blueprints into Google Maps or OpenStreetMap's interior map formats.
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Zesty Crab Legs posted:We are drunk. Samaritan Snare IPA, with a deceptively mild taste. Now in 9%. "We look for hops which make us go!"
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Zesty Crab Legs posted:We are drunk. Can you make our drinks full?
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Paradoxish posted:
It won't solve the issues alone, it's just a necessary step in what Trek needs to do, which is move forward and break from the existing stories and settings.
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I was going to make a really elaborate joke post basically pitching an Andromeda reboot as a "move forward and break from the existing stories and settings' but I don't have it in me to pretend Kevin Sorbo is cool anymore. 
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MikeJF posted:It won't solve the issues alone, it's just a necessary step in what Trek needs to do, which is move forward and break from the existing stories and settings. Why though there's nothing wrong with the setting, they just need writing that does more with it then "new alien/monster of the week"
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I don't know why people would want a Star Trek show to to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before.
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Agreed. One of the biggest writing problems with Enterprise was the fact that it was a prequel to an existing Trek. The more they focus on referencing the existing lore of the franchise, the less they'll be able to embody the true spirit of Star Trek: speculative fiction about the future, not fanfiction about Gene Roddenberry's creations.
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I disagree. A prequel should have been able to work fine. Look at how many different civilizations Captain Kirk ran into in TOS that never got mentioned again. The problem is that they got bogged down spending too much time on that lore (which unfortunately is something a lot of fans wanted) and then didn't even do those references very well at all. No amount of rules or setting changes will fix lovely writers. Good writers (and producers) would have been able to make any of the series opening premises work well.
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Yeah, I don't think any of concepts were doomed to failure, it's the writing and production demands that made for bad television and film.
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No concept makes a show bad by itself, but it can sure help.
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Speaking of badly done Star Trek series, I'm giving Voyager another chance. I picked up where I left off in season 4 years ago. Maybe it's because I chose to come back with one of its great episodes, Year of Hell, maybe my tastes and tolerances have changed, but I'm actually enjoying it and have already got to season 5. S5E1 Night was really really good. That was the most Star Trek-rear end Star Trek episode I've seen in a while. Great crew interactions, pathos from Janeway, genuinely creepy scenes of flayed men in the halls, and at the end a moral about pollution. I do wonder how that region of space supposedly should block all light from all directions, but really this is how Voyager should have been a good amount of the time. Also got a kick out of seeing the Universal backlot in the Nazi holodeck story in season 4. I did the studio tour a month ago and recognized it immediately. That rain at the end was unplanned but it totally worked. They actually filmed it during the El Nino of 97, I was in 3rd grade then and remember all the rain we got, so that was a nice callback for me too.
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Sir Lemming posted:Agreed. One of the biggest writing problems with Enterprise was the fact that it was a prequel to an existing Trek. Not at all; in fact, Enterprise's setting was ripe for amazing storytelling. This was an opportunity to genuinely show the experience of a crew literally going where no one had gone before, and instead we got palette-swapped reheated Voyager episodes. Don't get me wrong, I think canon is an albatross and slavish adherence to it breeds laziness, but they could have done so much more with Enterprise instead of revisiting poo poo like the loving Borg for the fiftieth time. (God, that Borg episode proposal for the fifth season.  )
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Timby posted:Not at all; in fact, Enterprise's setting was ripe for amazing storytelling. This was an opportunity to genuinely show the experience of a crew literally going where no one had gone before, and instead we got palette-swapped reheated Voyager episodes. Also they could have gotten away from star trek cliches by saying 'that isn't invented yet', but instead they just did a find and replace.
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Tunicate posted:Also they could have gotten away from star trek cliches by saying 'that isn't invented yet', but instead they just did a find and replace. Yep. Instead of phasers, they had phase cannons. Instead of photon torpedoes, they had spatial torpedoes. Instead of shields, there was "hull polarization." It was the laziest bullshit ever, right down to the main three characters being the captain, the Vulcan and the Southern guy, and it's a miracle that so much of the series is watchable.
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MikeJF posted:It won't solve the issues alone, it's just a necessary step in what Trek needs to do, which is move forward and break from the existing stories and settings. Why is it a necessary step? Voyager was for all intents and purposes a completely fresh canvas, and look how that turned out. JJTrek was an actual reboot, and what did we get? A time travel movie kicked off by events in the prime universe, a pile of references to previous Star Trek films, and one good movie that still referenced poo poo from Enterprise to create motivations for its villain. Drastically changing the setting won't do anything because Star Trek doesn't have a coherent setting in the first place. Concepts like the Federation and Starfleet aren't straight jackets and there's no need to constantly reference canon or to really reference it at all, especially if you're writing a series about a ship that's out exploring. Writers who can't come up with new stories for a setting as fast and loose as Star Trek aren't going to be able to do it just because you've changed the scenery.
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The only thing that makes good shows/movies good is good writing. Good writing can make a show about personal and political drama on an old floating food court some of the best TV, and bad writing can make an amazing and exciting premise utterly boring poo poo.
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Yeah, I think there's an interesting question to ask about new audiences and what they really want. The reason reboots and prequels have been favored is that they let you tell a story that doesn't have to reflect years of existing canon, but the internet has made it much easier for people to go back and find out what they missed. I watched all of DS9 years before I'd seen most Next Gen episodes and I rarely felt lost or confused because I still knew Star Trek. Sure, I had no idea who Vash or the Duras sisters were or why I should care, but it's not like they were so integral and complex that they couldn't simply be reintroduced. I hadn't even realized the Duras were in both shows until it was pointed out. It's not hard to tell stories in-continuity without being a slave to the past. The TOS movies did it. TNG did it. DS9 did it. Why can't modern Trek do it? We already have an effective template for reinventing this franchise, people just have to have the skill, commitment, and faith in the audience to actually do it.
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