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 A high-pollution coal plant is probably going to have to close. Native American unemployment in the area is already pretty lovely so hopefully some clean energy power stations can fill in the void, who knows though.
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Baloogan posted:one day we will rise up and destroy your way of life like you so casually condemn us! On the day when y'all sin tax plain black coffee I will be very very sad and possibly literally die
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Oh hey, a return to form by Telnaes. By which I mean "why the gently caress is this a gif?"
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Fates End posted:...the smoke is unlabeled. Is he seriously making the argument that yes, Trump works for Russia, but Democrats being mad about him working for Russia is far worse? Yes, just like a white person being called a racist is much worse than being a racist.
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Shugojin posted:On the day when y'all sin tax plain black coffee 
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Fates End posted:...the smoke is unlabeled. Is he seriously making the argument that yes, Trump works for Russia, but Democrats being mad about him working for Russia is far worse? Shout-outs to anyone who remembers this one:  "A Democrat-led investigation of Bad Thing is exactly as bad as that Thing" — Nate "Fucko" Beeler
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A HUNGRY MOUTH posted:Shout-outs to anyone who remembers this one: I forget who drew it, Lester or Ramirez probably, but they did one where they portrayed regulating cigarettes/vaping as exactly the same as smoking.
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itskage posted:Barry The Rise and Fall of Carlos Danger. A topic that keeps rearing its ugly head. It’s once again in the news, and hopefully for the last time. Here are 3 Weinergate editorial, cartoons and post excerpts from early in the scandal’s history… In the first Anthony Weiner decides to take his dog for a brief walk, but things get a little awkward when the amorous pup gets a little too frisky, and starts showing off his favorite bone. Not only embarrassing, this scandal would definitely cause some shrinkage in the old poll numbers. The second: More leaked photos revealed a towel-clad Weiner, hanging out at the House gym. Instead practicing safe tweeting, and taking a much-needed cold shower, he is seen here taking some glamour shots for his next round of junk mail. The third, from 2013, is on the attempeted reanimation of Weiner’s political career – when he threw his hat (at least I hope it was his hat) into the ring to enter the race Mayor of NYC. © 2011/2013 Barry/Right-Hemisphere Laboratory   
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Fulchrum posted:I mean, I don't want to be heartless here, and I know how it sounds, but, water exists (least outside of Michigan). I get that the tax does unfairly impact poorer families who drink a lot of soda, but those families can switch to just water if they are buying soda as a food staple rather than just something drunk occasionally. You say soda is a major contribution to diabetes and obesity, which is... not even a little bit proven. There's a correlation for sure, but there's also a very strong correlation between fatigue and obesity.
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endlessmonotony posted:You say soda is a major contribution to diabetes and obesity, which is... not even a little bit proven. There's a correlation for sure, but there's also a very strong correlation between fatigue and obesity. There are lots of good arguments for why the tax is bad, but are you seriously going with 240 calorie soft drinks loaded with fast absorbing carbs typically drank throughout the day and with other high calorie meals doesn't lead to weight gain? e: Even considering fatigue, the soft drinks don't help. Pretty sure when you were originally posing these I replied with "JaggerMcDagger to my eyes"
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itskage posted:There are lots of good arguments for why the tax is bad, but are you seriously going with 240 calorie soft drinks loaded with fast absorbing carbs typically drank throughout the day and with other high calorie meals doesn't lead to weight gain? Their role in weight gain, and, more centrally, whether a tax on them would reduce weight gain, has not been well-established.
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Anyone seeking to build a middle ground between Trump supporters and the opposition is ultimately on the side of Trump. An antifa cartoon.
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Discendo Vox posted:Their role in weight gain, and, more centrally, whether a tax on them would reduce weight gain, has not been well-established. Your emphasis is not what he said at all though. However you are correct that it is not. People are free to fill those gaps with chocolate cakes, doritos, and packs of cinnamon gum. However, at least we have evidence that people will stop buying them with the tax (though not nessisarily consuming them as they can be purchased outside philly). Would be interesting if it could run a few more years and a study can be done to see if obesity rates drop. But it's probably not going to last, especially since it's pretty lovely to run this experiment on the lower income residents. That said, implying that they don't have a role in weight gain is ludicrous.
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itskage posted:Your emphasis is not what he said at all though. However you are correct that it is not. People are free to fill those gaps with chocolate cakes, doritos, and packs of cinnamon gum. How could you possibly enforce this in a way that only affected high income residents? Or hell, in any way that didn't more proportionally affect low income residents?
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itskage posted:Your emphasis is not what he said at all though. However you are correct that it is not. People are free to fill those gaps with chocolate cakes, doritos, and packs of cinnamon gum. His emphasis is what I actually said.
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Fulchrum posted:How could you possibly enforce this in a way that only affected high income residents? Or hell, in any way that didn't more proportionally affect low income residents? You can't. I'm not saying you can either. What I'm saying is that it's lovely to do it at all if you're not certain of the results since it disproprotinally affects the low income residents. You'd punish them, without really knowing if it's going to help them. endlessmonotony posted:His emphasis is what I actually said. I don't see you mention the tax at all. Discendo Vox's emphasis, the part in italics, is about the impact the tax would have on weight gain/loss. I read your post as "soda has no causation on weight gain, only correlation" which is nuts to me, but if you meant to say the same thing in the italicized part, then you'll have no argument from me. If either of you want to explain how soda's (or sugary drinks in general) don't play a large role in American obesity, then I will listen. But, I have no idea where you're coming from. Soda and other sugary drinks adds hundreds of calories to meals and throughout the day. People go to restaurants and get over portioned meals and then add hundreds more calories to them with 24oz soft drinks. Added sugars in our food is a huge problem in general, but soda makes it so easy to add tons of calories to your daily total.
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Even the sugarless sodas gently caress up your teeth and keep you addicted to the taste and sensation. Kicking that habit has done goddamn wonders for my health and outlook. I'm not saying a consumer-end tax is a good thing, but an outright ban is unlikely to get through. Industrial food should be held more accountable for its effects. Maybe tax the gently caress out of the soda companies?
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itskage posted:If either of you want to explain how soda's (or sugary drinks in general) don't play a large role in American obesity, then I will listen. But, I have no idea where you're coming from. Soda and other sugary drinks adds hundreds of calories to meals and throughout the day. People go to restaurants and get over portioned meals and then add hundreds more calories to them with 24oz soft drinks. Added sugars in our food is a huge problem in general, but soda makes it so easy to add tons of calories to your daily total. Because the research on added sugars, and on sugary sodas, was generally very poorly conducted. Because it's not sugars, it's calories- sugar is at most an indirect factor where caloric intake is a direct factor- and it's not a particularly strong factor, at that. Because asserting that the soda, or the sugar, is the causal factor neglects substitution in diet, which both of us were talking about, because it captures the spurious causation problem. Somfin posted:Even the sugarless sodas gently caress up your teeth and keep you addicted to the taste and sensation. Kicking that habit has done goddamn wonders for my health and outlook. Soda isn't addictive. Sugar isn't addictive (unless you're listening to frauds like Lustig). Hell, experts in the field don't even agree that caffeine is addictive. "Industrial food" isn't going to be a central problem or a central solution in dealing with obesity as a public health problem, however appealing a villain Coca Cola et al may make. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Because the research on added sugars, and on sugary sodas, was generally very poorly conducted. Because it's not sugars, it's calories- sugar is at most an indirect factor where caloric intake is a direct factor. Because asserting that the soda, or the sugar, is the causal factor neglects substitution in diet, which both of us were talking about. Move them fuckin' goalposts E: better response: Where, exactly, do you think those calories come from? Somfin fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Somfin posted:Move them fuckin' goalposts I'm not moving them an inch- it's the exact same assertion as before. The claim that sugary drinks, or soda, or added sugar, plays an outsize role in obesity in the US is unsupported by quality research, and attempts to tax one of them are unlikely to be effective. I linked you the article that explains where the calories come from- the answer was specifically not added sugar. The next generation of NHANES dataset studies are probably going to provide more detail, because the people who made the added sugar claims didn't categorize or break down food categories in the dataset properly. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Discendo Vox posted:I'm not moving them an inch- it's the exact same assertion as before. The claim that sugary drinks, or soda, or added sugar, plays an outsize role in obesity in the US is unsupported by quality research, and attempts to tax one of them are unlikely to be effective. As noted above, where do you think the calories in sugary sodas come from?
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Somfin posted:As noted above, where do you think the calories in sugary sodas come from? Oh I see, you don't understand the point of disagreement. "weight gain" in this context refers to the national obesity problem. Sugary sodas are not a primary source of the national obesity problem. No one is challenging that caloric sodas have calories in them.
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Discendo Vox posted:Oh I see, you don't understand the point of disagreement. "weight gain" in this context refers to the national obesity problem. Sugary sodas are not a primary source of the national obesity problem. No one is challenging that caloric sodas have calories in them. Never really thought the sugar boosters would try to infiltrate SA.
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Discendo Vox posted:Oh I see, you don't understand the point of disagreement. "weight gain" in this context refers to the national obesity problem. Sugary sodas are not a primary source of the national obesity problem. No one is challenging that caloric sodas have calories in them. Holy poo poo, DV. Answer the loving question. Where do the calories in sugary sodas come from?
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Discendo Vox posted:Soda isn't addictive. Sugar isn't addictive (unless you're listening to frauds like Lustig). Hell, experts in the field don't even agree that caffeine is addictive. I'm just a humble backwoods hyperchicken, but I know from personal experience that when I give up caffeine for lent I have motherfucking ants all over me for like two days, and my eyeballs don't fit in their sockets for a week or so. I've never been hooked to heroin so I don't know how similar the experience is.
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LingcodKilla posted:Never really thought the sugar boosters would try to infiltrate SA. I'm actually writing a research project on them right now; it's a weird mess because there's a simultaneous war going on between corn and cane sugar refining interests. That's where you get the "made with real sugar" labeling on things, and the HFCS scares. Mystic Mongol posted:I'm just a humble backwoods hyperchicken, but I know from personal experience that when I give up caffeine for lent I have motherfucking ants all over me for like two days, and my eyeballs don't fit in their sockets for a week or so. It bugs me too, and fwiw it's very divisive. At the conference I went to they nearly came to blows over it. A factor is that if caffeine starts being considered addictive, the research funding stream will likely change and FDA and NIDA will have to examine taking regulatory action. Anyway, derail over. If we want to keep arguing over it, I recommend posting thisathread. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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If calories in sugary soda's don't come from sugars, where do the calories come from? Wrong thread.
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I may not be a nutritionist but I'm pretty sure Wrong Threads don't contain calories.
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World Famous W posted:I may not be a nutritionist but I'm pretty sure Wrong Threads don't contain calories. Then explain why so many poo poo posters are fat?
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Fulchrum posted:Then explain why so many poo poo posters are fat? It's not the calories, it's ~*magic*~
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