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Discendo Vox posted:Because the research on added sugars, and on sugary sodas, was generally very poorly conducted. Because it's not sugars, it's calories- sugar is at most an indirect factor where caloric intake is a direct factor- and it's not a particularly strong factor, at that. Because asserting that the soda, or the sugar, is the causal factor neglects substitution in diet, which both of us were talking about, because it captures the spurious causation problem. We don't eat in a vaccum though. Calorie rich beverages aren't going to fill you up like food does so you're going to want to eat more. Added sugars are going to tickle your pleasure centers and make you crave more. There are more health benefits than just avoiding obesity as well. Google one of the many articles on 1k calories of broccoli vs soda. I might need the full text, but just going from the abstract you linked doesn't help me. I see it state 13% of the population consumes more than 25% of their calories from added sugars. But now I'm left wondering what the rest of that is. Could be 50% gets 20% from added sugars which would mean it's still pretty significant. Edit: bah I'm too slow to phone post. I don't care if we move to the other thread or what, but I'm not convinced. As others have said it's still added calories and calories make you gain weight. itskage fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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itskage posted:Edit: bah I'm too slow to phone post. I don't care if we move to the other thread or what, but I'm not convinced. As others have said it's still added calories and calories make you gain weight. The other thread is the pseudoscience thread. Discendo, seeing people say "well the very smallest can of coca cola you can buy in the united states has 90 calories and most of 'em are from sugar," went for the weakest, shittiest burn as a parting shot. E: Or possibly a desperate cry for help. Who knows?
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Political Cartoons 2017: There is always more of it, but it's not from sugar
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Discendo Vox posted:Because the research on added sugars, and on sugary sodas, was generally very poorly conducted. Because it's not sugars, it's calories- sugar is at most an indirect factor where caloric intake is a direct factor- and it's not a particularly strong factor, at that. Because asserting that the soda, or the sugar, is the causal factor neglects substitution in diet, which both of us were talking about, because it captures the spurious causation problem. fuckin lmao this better be satire of a sugar industry fellating hack or else you're real dumb
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Jonas Albrecht posted:What, no asterisk to a dead link for this one? * quote:The campaign says that a limited number of seats forced it to make the tough decision of which journalists would be permitted to follow the Democratic presidential candidate in the last four days of the campaign, but the papers are calling foul, claiming they were targeted for their editorial-page positions and kicked off while nonpolitical publications like Glamour and Jet magazines remained on board.
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endlessmonotony posted:You say soda is a major contribution to diabetes and obesity, which is... not even a little bit proven. There's a correlation for sure, but there's also a very strong correlation between fatigue and obesity. Jesus H trampolining Christ. Leave aside the soda thing for a second: you are literally arguing that the correlation between carrying more weight and getting more tired is not causation. This is not an argument that can be made by anyone who has ever walked 100 yards (or climbed a flight of stairs) carrying a couple of heavy shopping bags.
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Jedit posted:Jesus H trampolining Christ. Leave aside the soda thing for a second: you are literally arguing that the correlation between carrying more weight and getting more tired is not causation. This is not an argument that can be made by anyone who has ever walked 100 yards (or climbed a flight of stairs) carrying a couple of heavy shopping bags. It's not like sugar in soda just automatically turns into fat and doesn't do anything else. I could literally drink a half gallon of soda every day and probably not gain any weight since I've got a rather active lifestyle. And it's not like a person who IS obese can't just stop drinking soda and make up for it by eating more sweets in another form
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You know who else loved sugar in sodas!? thanks right... . . .
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Hah, shows what I know. I thought it was going to be bullshit. I mean, it's bullshit, but not bullshit bullshit.
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You really shouldn't get between a goon and his Mountain Dew.
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Fulchrum posted:Then explain why so many poo poo posters are fat? Bad Internet Humor is stored in fat cells. Shitposting is a workout.
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I merely photosynthesise by the glow of my monitor instead, allowing me to avoid this whole debate 
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Discendo Vox posted:Their role in weight gain, and, more centrally, whether a tax on them would reduce weight gain, has not been well-established. anecdotal evidence: I stopped drinking soda and literally lost like 20-30 lbs; it melted off
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:You know who else loved sugar in sodas!? But enough about lovely soda. 
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Even the alt-right is embracing whaddaboutism. An incredibly good cartoon.
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Telnaes is seriously losing her edge. The last few comics she's drawn miss great rhetorical opportunities or just don't....make any sense. Like, Trump consumes daytime Fox News reporting on the job. Guy drinks up Breitbart articles and has accepted them as truth since before he even ran for prez. Drinking from a bottle is a bad metaphor for twitter overuse, and if it's a "drinking the koolaid" line Ann wants to push here, why not label those bottles "FOX," "ETF," and Bretibart? Ann Telnaes posted:President Trump tweets without providing evidence that President Barack Obama wiretapped his Trump Tower office and calls the former president a “bad (or sick) guy.” Someone is unhinged and needing of help, but it’s not the former president Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Potato Salad posted:Telnaes is seriously losing her edge. The last few comics she's drawn miss great rhetorical opportunities or just don't....make any sense. Ann Telnaes posted:Trump needs an intervention Still not a great toon and I do agree she hasn't really put out anything to overly impressive in a while. Still one of the best caricaturist around these days though.
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give me soda or give me death
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Potato Salad posted:and if it's a "drinking the koolaid" line Ann wants to push here, why not label those bottles "FOX," "ETF," and Bretibart? people in this thread would complain about all the labels
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Cat Mattress posted:
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pretty sure Obama wasn't president in 2008...
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Wow you guys must really miss Barry with all this soda talk going around! Let's play a game! See how long it takes you to comprehend this image. It took me like a minute. 
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JaggerMcDagger posted:Wow you guys must really miss Barry with all this soda talk going around! Is this one of those Magic Eye things? I can never do those
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JaggerMcDagger posted:Wow you guys must really miss Barry with all this soda talk going around! This only makes sense if the poodle is wearing a cape for some reason.
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Somfin posted:The other thread is the pseudoscience thread. Discendo, seeing people say "well the very smallest can of coca cola you can buy in the united states has 90 calories and most of 'em are from sugar," went for the weakest, shittiest burn as a parting shot. I linked that thread because it's where we've spent pages upon pages discussing current defects in nutrition research, several of which came to a head in the incorrect consensus around added sugar as the cause for US obesity, which is grounded in a bunch of pseudoscientific research. It's a better site for the sugar discussion. That's all.
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JaggerMcDagger posted:Wow you guys must really miss Barry with all this soda talk going around! Ok so... You've got a Dracula dog of some sort. It's doing the Dracula-cape-over-face thing, but not using either of its arms to hold the cape? It has multiple tongues coming out over the cape, one of which is like a mutant tongue that has a separate body with another tongue coming out of it? The tongues also have legs coming out of them, with hairballs attacked at the ends? Wait no there's another dog I think. And the Dracula dog is holding the other dog in it's mouth upside down? Yeah that's it, there are vampire bite marks on the other dogs neck, and actually only one tongue. Still not sure what's going on with the cape. Perfectly intelligible. Anyway here's a Fish. 
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Tuxedo Ted posted:I love lovely think-pieces like that. Ones like Reefer Madness take a hypothetical situation and extrapolate them to an absurd and melodramatic end. Reminds me of Wild In the Streets, a movie/short novel that was made in response to the proposal to reduce US voting age limits from 21 to 18. In it, a single 25 year old senator (who is a hippie) somehow passes a bunch of laws to reduce the age limits for voting AND holding office to 15, and suddenly washington is filled with a buncha no-good hippie teenagers ruining the country under the sinister rule of President Frost. It's a fun watch, but I don't think any elected official ever compared an actual current event to it like Bannon did that other novel. Chapo has a recurring segment where they read from Ben Shapiro's True Allegiance. It's the good poo poo. Flip Yr Wig fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Wild in the Streets is so much more crazy than that guy made it seem to be. In it everyone over 30 gets put into reeducation camps where they are forcibly dosed with acid all the time. It's one of my favorite movies.
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I also like Maryjane, a 1968 movie about how weed kills that is totally in earnest and insane.
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Political Cartoons 2017: Goons be dangerous afteir their goon work be done. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-china-lotte-idUSKBN16D03U  10
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Discendo Vox posted:I linked that thread because it's where we've spent pages upon pages discussing current defects in nutrition research, several of which came to a head in the incorrect consensus around added sugar as the cause for US obesity, which is grounded in a bunch of pseudoscientific research. It's a better site for the sugar discussion. That's all. There's little to no sense keeping talking about this here; the in-depth research will keep publishing results as they come in, and in time "sugar causes obesity" will be just another page in the book "eggs cause heart disease" went in.
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 this cartoonI mean, first of all, it appears to be operating under the assumption that Joe McCarthy was 100% correct rather than talking out of his rear end to profit off an environment of fear and if you take that as a given, its main premise appears to be "so what, this current Russian scandal is just like the time the Democratic Party conspired with the USSR to undermine capitalism, what's the problem there  "Like, he is linking the Trump administration's ties to Russia to the Red Scare, and implying that this is a good thing somehow which Democrats are dumb for objecting to. I don't know how Branco is still managing to impress me with his stupidity but it keeps happening
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Thanks for the explanation, I was completely lost as to what the hell he was referring to there. Branco really is the dumbest of them all.
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