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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
| Total: | 510 votes | ||
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OwlFancier posted:The worst crime, a slightly untidy tax return. Being an incompetent labour leader is not a crime, unfortunately. Edit: as the submarine Kursk sank to its doom, all 118 souls on board declared the media to be to blame. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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OwlFancier posted:The worst crime, a slightly untidy tax return.
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Mar 6, 2017 13:31
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TACD posted:Until next week when footage of Corbyn making tea shows he puts the milk in first 😱
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Mar 6, 2017 13:37
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I think perhaps it takes a rather dim person to believe that publishing one's tax return is an attempt to hide one's money.
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Mar 6, 2017 13:38
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Compared to say, Philip Hammond, who won't be publishing his tax return and has been avoiding tax by transferring his share in a £600,000 property to his wife.
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Mar 6, 2017 13:40
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OwlFancier posted:I think perhaps it takes a rather dim person to believe that publishing one's tax return is an attempt to hide one's money.
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Mar 6, 2017 13:42
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jBrereton posted:It takes a dimmer one still to say "oh well they've released something, even if it contains mistakes or lacks information it's good that they did". If Hammond took him up on the offer and released a similarly specious document that missed out/obscured big chunks of his income, Labour would rightly pick him up on it. no its good that corbyn's pressuring tories to publish how much tax they dodge and the mistakes aren't a part of that point it's dim to not even get the numbers right I mean wtf
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Mar 6, 2017 13:44
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TinTower posted:https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/838330022444294144 Not with Gorgeous George, a John McTernan certified winner, on the prowl.
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Mar 6, 2017 13:45
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lets just adopt stormont-style community rules but you declare whether you're a landlord or not hoxha was right
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Mar 6, 2017 13:45
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Spangly A posted:hoxha was right
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Mar 6, 2017 13:47
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OwlFancier posted:The worst crime, a slightly untidy tax return. joking aside, there is a big issue here. communication. they're consistently terrible at it, so whatever point they're attempting to make is lost. like how hard would it be to look at the document before chucking it on twitter and think "this needs a few lines of explanatory notes cos of all the jargon"
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Mar 6, 2017 13:50
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Who said it: Jeremy Corbyn or Enver Hoxha? who said it, indeed
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Mar 6, 2017 13:50
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Spangly A posted:lets just adopt stormont-style community rules but you declare whether you're a landlord or not that would make for some very strange bedfellows Corbyn's still renting his place out isn't he?
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Mar 6, 2017 13:51
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Cerv posted:that would make for some very strange bedfellows I'm honestly in doubt that a government could be formed but I think hoxha had a suggestion about that too
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Mar 6, 2017 13:53
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Labour is a hoxha-poxha many different ideas, true.
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Mar 6, 2017 13:53
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TinTower posted:https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/838330022444294144 You know drat well the context of this sentence was her saying Labour doesn't take any votes for granted, and she doesn't like to imply that by calling anywhere a safe seat. You're being as disingenuous as the express if you're trying to imply it means anything other than that. Also, you can put income wherever you feel it's most appropriate on a tax return. Multiple options are often acceptable. The fact that where Corbyns accountant chose to put his added pay is the big story rather than Hammond outright refusing to publish his is what's wrong with this country.
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Mar 6, 2017 13:54
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jabby posted:Also, you can put income wherever you feel it's most appropriate on a tax return. Multiple options are often acceptable. The fact that where Corbyns accountant chose to put his added pay is the big story rather than Hammond outright refusing to publish his is what's wrong with this country. If Corbyn hadn't published an incorrect declaration of his earnings then it might not be what the focus is.
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Mar 6, 2017 13:56
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jabby posted:You know drat well the context of this sentence was her saying Labour doesn't take any votes for granted, and she doesn't like to imply that by calling anywhere a safe seat. You're being as disingenuous as the express if you're trying to imply it means anything other than that. Now where's the policy? "Publish your taxes if you earn a million quid but have another go if you get it wrong - end of the day, we all make mistakes?"
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Mar 6, 2017 13:58
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Spangly A posted:Who said it: Jeremy Corbyn or Enver Hoxha? i swear there's a huge subset of telegraph articles that are just about labour mps being secret communists
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Mar 6, 2017 13:59
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I mean, that's not a bad policy, the point of it would be to make sure that we know what ministers are paying, not to catch them on actual errors. If you keep publishing ones that hide like £600k of income then we've got a problem.
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Mar 6, 2017 14:01
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OwlFancier posted:I mean, that's not a bad policy, the point of it would be to make sure that we know what ministers are paying, not to catch them on actual errors. That's why this is frustrating; it's a kind of okay policy, although I don't personally see the point of it, but once again it's turned into another Corbyn blunder that discredits the Labour party by association.
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Mar 6, 2017 14:03
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jBrereton posted:That's why this is frustrating; it's a kind of okay policy, although I don't personally see the point of it, Countries that have open tax returns have lower avoidance as well as lower evasion. It's to encourage social policing. The populist side effect of such a policy being mainstream is a mentality of "hunt the rich", which is a deadly atmosphere for a tory government full of massive tax frauds.
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Mar 6, 2017 14:06
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jBrereton posted:"A People's Pillbox in every garden" - Labour Manif. 2020. We could even make big ones that could be used as state owned houses during peacetime.
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Mar 6, 2017 14:07
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Guavanaut posted:I'd vote for this. if "france might invade" is a valid reason for having nukes it's a valid reason for state pillbox housing
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Mar 6, 2017 14:08
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jBrereton posted:If you get it wrong to start with they'll just say "oh right whoops guess my accountant screwed up, you know how it is Jer'." I think there's a difference between "it's on page 2" and "oh dear I seem to have forgotten to pay a few hundred thousand in tax whoopsie daisy let me just fix that"
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Mar 6, 2017 14:09
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lol the ukmt never changes the NHS is going to die to make brexit somehow less of a disaster Vauxhall has been bought by Peugeot and some people might lose their jobs but it is definitely totally unconnected to brexit at least americas train wreck politics are laugh out loud funny not depressing "at least some of the people who voted to gently caress everyone will also get hosed" schadenfreude funny
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Mar 6, 2017 14:23
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The briefings beginquote:Senior DUP sources told the Belfast Telegraph that Mrs Foster should reconsider her decision and not put her personal pride before what was best for "the party and the people of Northern Ireland". http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/new...s-35504549.html Perhaps a sign of cracks in the DUP forming, though with Dodds backing Foster remains untouchable
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Mar 6, 2017 14:48
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Spangly A posted:Who said it: Jeremy Corbyn or Enver Hoxha? This is horrible. They go on an on about how awful Hoxha was and how terrible it is that Corbyn is so close to him in views. Then the questions are all really mundane stuff that anyone with empathy would agree with. That America was founded on the bodies of native Americans is not controversial. A party being founded on the basis of worker rights is not controversial. Combating imperialism is not controversial. Absolutely none of the quotes are anything "dodgy" involving murder or oppression. They might as well have run a story just going "leftists are all the same and are all huge stalins! *FARTS*".
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Mar 6, 2017 14:51
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Regarde Aduck posted:They might as well have run a story just going "leftists are all the same and are all huge stalins! *FARTS*".
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Mar 6, 2017 14:57
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glad to see the return of pissflaps kursk posts, also if corbyn is this stupid in regards to his tax returns imagine how he would be with any actual power
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Mar 6, 2017 14:59
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Breath Ray posted:Is it really necessary to lay out where new labour went wrong I mean why hamstring yourself jBrereton posted:If you can't trust him not to puss out on being leader twice you can't trust him to lead the party full stop. Honestly the thing I care most about is economic stance. Umunna, like seemingly everyone prominent in the Labour party (except maybe McDonnell), seems to have gently caress-all real substance on this. He's been... inconsistent: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...h-10247245.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/chuka-umunna-it-is-plain-camerkozy-austerity-is-not-working-7791148.html I think he'll probably say whatever he thinks will get him into power. i.e. he's a true Blairite, and can't be trusted with power.
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Mar 6, 2017 15:03
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kustomkarkommando posted:The briefings begin it's absolutely fascinating that she doesn't think she needs to step down
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Mar 6, 2017 15:09
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jabby posted:You know drat well the context of this sentence was her saying Labour doesn't take any votes for granted, and she doesn't like to imply that by calling anywhere a safe seat. You're being as disingenuous as the express if you're trying to imply it means anything other than that. I'm pretty sure that Corbyn imposing a three-line whip for Brexit despite 78% of his constituents voting Remain is taking their votes for granted, you know. e: oh my god, this is fractal dysfunctionality https://twitter.com/jenwilliamsmen/status/837593259291656193 TinTower fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Mar 6, 2017 15:12
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Spangly A posted:it's absolutely fascinating that she doesn't think she needs to step down Stepping down now is admitting defeat and succumbing to SF demands, the DUP are bullish that nationalism will not select the leader of Unionism - some kind of temporary fiddle where Foster remains leader but Simon Hamilton becomes first minister pending the conclusion of the inquiry (at which stage he would resign letting Foster back in) seems to be emerging as an option. Of course if Foster accepted the temporary leave of absence from her position initially advanced by SF pre election that could have been avoided, too late for that though
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Mar 6, 2017 15:51
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Regarde Aduck posted:This is horrible. They go on an on about how awful Hoxha was and how terrible it is that Corbyn is so close to him in views. Then the questions are all really mundane stuff that anyone with empathy would agree with. That America was founded on the bodies of native Americans is not controversial. A party being founded on the basis of worker rights is not controversial. Combating imperialism is not controversial. Absolutely none of the quotes are anything "dodgy" involving murder or oppression. You're not kidding. The only disagreeable quote in there is "Stalin made some mistakes," which is controversial only by virtue of being a hilariously dishonest understatement. edit: glancing down the page, their Donald Trump or Adolf Hitler quiz is just as loving asinine. At least they're consistent. Not Operator fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Mar 6, 2017 15:55
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I would imagine that there are quite a few people reading the telegraph who would definitely dispute that killing native americans was bad and that any organization nowadays may be held responsible for it, that workers rights are a good thing, and that imperialism is even a concept.
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Mar 6, 2017 15:57
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Contemporary politics is miserable. Labour are either completely shambolic or endorse the majority of the status quo depending on which wing of the party they are on, Tories are hellbent on making Thatcher look like a living embodiment of empathy in comparison to Theresa May, the SNP are for the status quo in regards to everything except for Scotland's membership of the Union, & the Scottish people don't even want that little change, the Liberals, Greens & everyone else are an irrelevancy. Totally unconnected to all that, I picked up a book on the history of the Labour Party in a charity shop, I'd been looking for a book on the foundation of the Labour Representation Committee or the labour movement & trade unionism in general but this has had to do now. Mostly I've been wondering why Britain has a total lack of a tradition of a radical working class movement. Why syndicalism made an impact on unions in places on the continent while our own unions seemed depressingly conservative on the whole? Is there something to learn there? Because it seems like we need to get back to basics. We often moan about how the public are ill-informed, misinformed by the media, and all that's true but complaining about it doesn't really achieve anything. How do you work around that? How do you educate people so they have a better understanding that household debt is not remotely comparable to national debt and other basic economic ideas? Probably impossible questions to answer but I'd rather dwell on that than on Jeremy Corbyn doing a Chris Iwelumo & missing an empty net from 5 yards out yet again.
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Mar 6, 2017 16:05
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 from the Tory former leader of the local council, saying this:https://twitter.com/SL_Benton/status/837030324223754241 Just a day before this: 
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Mar 6, 2017 16:29
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OwlFancier posted:I would imagine that there are quite a few people reading the telegraph who would definitely dispute that killing native americans was bad and that any organization nowadays may be held responsible for it, that workers rights are a good thing, and that imperialism is even a concept. Yeah but they used to know these views were lovely. Shy Torism and all that. I guess those days are well over and we can proudly explaim "I'm glad all those lovely native Americans died because they were all cucking fucks!!!!!".
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May's argument that she couldn't possibly allow the commons or Lords a veto on the terms of Brexit, because this may give the EU incentive to give the UK a bad deal, begs the question: then what the gently caress will the vote she promised at the end of the negotiations actually gong to be about?
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