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I mean, most fiscally and mentally healthy people don't think "I want to shoot people, just for funsies." And the ones that do typically join the army. When theft is prominent you provide security measures and help the poorest citizens, you dont ban lockpicks.
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Concerned Citizen posted:There are no jobs, in part because gun violence drives out businesses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOrY199QiB8
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It really says something that the loudest proponents for gun-bans have really specific murder fantasies that they project on people who they disagree with.
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logikv9 posted:yikes I am however in favor of banning gun control discussions gun control discussions kill up to 10 threads a month, for only ten cents a day you can be a part of the movement to end gun control discussion violence
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buy a gun it is your constitutional right don’t let trump make a victim of ya
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u can always ban guns after you solve most gun violence by feeding, educating, and employing your constituents.
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http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2017/03/06/vote-flub-cost-tom-perez-a-first-ballot-victory-in-dnc-chairman-race/ this article apparently has chair election votes by member, but it's behind paywall. argh
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anime was right posted:u can always ban guns after you solve most gun violence by feeding, educating, and employing your constituents. What if you'd rather support policies that ensure you have a permanently exploitable underclass of voters instead?
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Gun control isn't going to really work because most of these guns used in homicide are already obtained illegally. The only thing that may cause significant change is flatout banning all guns which is something I'm not sure I'd be for. And with 3D printed guns becoming a thing...oh boy.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:buy a gun So this. Workers have always been able to advance their interests when they can defend themselves. Not when they listen to liberals who tell them to stop bitterly clinging. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 20:15 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Boner Zone posted:lol there have never been jobs, not for the people in the neighborhoods most affected by gun violence today, at least not in my deep south city, and that's by design. yes, there are a lot of reasons why neighborhoods most affected by gun violence don't have jobs. hence why i said "in part" - it's a significant factor that helps keep impoverished areas impoverished. there's no shortage of boarded up businesses in high crime areas where the owner said "gently caress this" and packed up after someone got killed nearby. gun control is an important factor for improving livability in neighborhoods wracked by gun violence. it's not the only factor, but it's hard to improve any of the other factors while it's there.
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oh here it is: dnc member chair vote, first round:http://www.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/DNCballot2017firstround.pdf dnc member chair vote, second round: http://www.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/DNCballot2017secondround.pdf
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Concerned Citizen posted:oh here it is: Someone parse this into "people I should know and why they suck"
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zegermans posted:Someone parse this into "people I should know and why they suck" none of them, and they voted for Perez
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nan whaley is the only person that voted for buttigieg
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I'm Whaley nan
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nan whaley voted for buttigieg even after he dropped out. hero.
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buttigieg belongs to Big Nan
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Concerned Citizen posted:buttigieg belongs to Big Nan wrong buttigieg belongs to us all big nan just knows which way the wind is blowing
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also per wsj perez would have won on the first ballot, except two of his votes failed to sign their ballots and they were invalidated
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big nan as in the quality flatbreads you can find at fine indian dining establishments?
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:big nan as in the quality flatbreads you can find at fine indian dining establishments? Crowding out fine American jobs like at Wonder bread
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not a number
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Concerned Citizen posted:also per wsj perez would have won on the first ballot, except two of his votes failed to sign their ballots and they were invalidated To be fair it's hard to keep up with the rules when they keep changing to keep dreaded progress at bay
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Baloogan posted:not a number that's numberwang
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lol of course garcetti voted for Perez
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zegermans posted:Someone parse this into "people I should know and why they suck" I know a few people on this list. Only one surprises me (he supported Ellison!) You should really know at least a chunk of the ones from your state since they include quite a lot of politically well connected people. I might have a chance to talk with one of them soon and ruin my political prospects by asking her exactly what she was thinking.
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Lol like all of the MA delegation voted Perez. Good thing they're getting disempowered later this month by angry liberals.
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GlyphGryph posted:I know a few people on this list. Only one surprises me (he supported Ellison!) You should really know at least a chunk of the ones from your state since they include quite a lot of politically well connected people. i only recognized a couple names from my state, one being the former insurance commissioner the other's some vice chair of whateverthefuck for the state party e: only two of the nc delegation voted perez. i'm pleasantly surprised
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lol of course garcetti voted for Perez Garcetti is good, actually
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paranoid randroid posted:Garcetti is good, actually Everything I've read about him indicates otherwise, but I'm open to being convinced.
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Byron Brown voted for Perez. What a surprise, he refused to make any real statement on the EO even though refugees are a huge part of the economy in Buffalo and a goddamn Somali came here and went back to become PRESIDENT OF HIS COUNTRY
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GlyphGryph posted:Everything I've read about him indicates otherwise, but I'm open to being convinced. hes been perfectly adequate in most regards and the city has begun taking a lot of steps under his watch to limit ICE's ability to pinch people off the street by expanding availability of legal counsel for immigration law, as well as taking street vendors out of gray market status he also brought Made in America to LA a couple years back, which was good and cool of him to do
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most of the negative pieces i can find on him at the moment are from Measure S dipshits, which is a good sign
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Arri posted:They should also stop eschewing guns, as actual leftists do not support disarming the populace against a government that holds a monopoly on violence. yeah, if doctors were allowed to ask parents whether they have guns properly and safely stored, how would families fight off the crooked government agents the way LaVoy Finicium did? frankly, you're nuts if you think a gun is going to protect you from the police, the FBI, or whatever sinister government agency you think is out to get you banning literally all guns would be a terrible idea. it's also a bad strawman. "gun control" is not the same as "completely banning firearms" and I'm tired of seeing that trotted out against any and all attempts to regulate firearms in any way at all, even as GOP legislatures happily pass laws blocking businesses and private citizens from excluding firearms from their property or even saying that guns are unsafe
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bear in mind theres kind of a low floor for what it takes to be a "good mayor" of Los Angeles
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Concerned Citizen posted:yes, there are a lot of reasons why neighborhoods most affected by gun violence don't have jobs. hence why i said "in part" - it's a significant factor that helps keep impoverished areas impoverished. there's no shortage of boarded up businesses in high crime areas where the owner said "gently caress this" and packed up after someone got killed nearby. gun control is an important factor for improving livability in neighborhoods wracked by gun violence. it's not the only factor, but it's hard to improve any of the other factors while it's there. Gun violence isn't precluding dems from fighting for single payer, a minimum wage increase, or an end to the war on drugs. All of these would dramatically improve livability in these neighborhoods but I guess we have to win the gun control war first?
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https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/03/losing-west-virginia/quote:Less discussed is the decline of the West Virginia Democratic Party, particularly its collapse in the last two years. The Democratic Party controlled both houses of the West Virginia legislature for eighty-two years from 1932 to 2014. But in the space of two years the party has become a shadow of its former self: the Democrats went from holding 71 percent of the seats in the House of Delegates in 2008 to 54 percent in 2012 to 36 percent in 2014 (and maintained 37 percent in 2016). Democratic representation in the state senate fell from 71 percent in 2012 to 47 percent in 2014 to 35 percent in 2016. quote:The WV Democratic Party’s accelerating representation of coal industry interests in the wake of weakening union power left it ill-prepared to deal with the recent structural decline of the state’s coal industry. The party had no real answer to offer thousands of laid-off coal miners or the towns and counties whose budgets were slashed by the decline in coal severance tax revenues. Democrats killed themselves. GlyphGryph has issued a correction as of 22:20 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Main Paineframe posted:yeah, if doctors were allowed to ask parents whether they have guns properly and safely stored, how would families fight off the crooked government agents the way LaVoy Finicium did? frankly, you're nuts if you think a gun is going to protect you from the police, the FBI, or whatever sinister government agency you think is out to get you Retail Business shouldn't be allowed to ban anything legal from their establishment, so no, Starbucks doesn't get to overrule federal law.
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