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Speaking of team attacks, I kind of wish Battle Bomber and Guard Diver had them.
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Is this the longest an SRW has made you wait to name your team?
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Mar 6, 2017 21:05
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Broken Loose posted:I was blown away to see them exist in my unit list, especially because they're introduced after the other 2 Angels get thrown into an attack animation. Same thing for Daegusa and Conroy. I think the 3 Angels Attack is the exception only because the Aestivalises seriously lacked moves. They actually shove the Tri-Stars and Sally's dragon ladies into attacks too. Blockhouse posted:Is this the longest an SRW has made you wait to name your team? I was shocked when it happened, I figured they were just going to ignore it.
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Mar 6, 2017 21:10
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Oh, one other question: do we have a list of who can change into what yet? Is it just "if this series allows people to change robots, they can change to any robot from the series" (like the Crossbone/F91) or are some cross-series?
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Mar 6, 2017 21:15
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I'm pretty sure the only time there's been any cross series pilot swapping has been when Turn A Gundam is in the game, in which case they're thrown into the UC Mobile Suit pile, and in SRW 4 where the Real Original could also pilot UC Mobile Suits. And the plot based instances in MX and Alpha 3, but those aren't freely swappable.
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Mar 6, 2017 21:17
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Senerio posted:Oh, one other question: do we have a list of who can change into what yet? The only 'cross-series' units are the UC ones. Any from UC can go into any other UC unit though some are locked ability/plotwise by NT levels. (The exception is Unicorn Gundam which is plot-locked to Banagher.) Grungust and Huckebein's pilots can swap as well. Beyond that it's more limited. (Ryouma can go into Black Getter but you can't put Hayato or Benkei into it.)
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Mar 6, 2017 21:19
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ImpAtom posted:The only 'cross-series' units are the UC ones. Any from UC can go into any other UC unit though some are locked ability/plotwise by NT levels. (The exception is Unicorn Gundam which is plot-locked to Banagher.) Oh that's good. What about non-UC series? Which let me put the protagonist into the useless mechs so I can give protagonist mechs to interesting side characters?
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Mar 6, 2017 21:20
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Senerio posted:Oh that's good. What about non-UC series? Which let me put the protagonist into the useless mechs so I can give protagonist mechs to interesting side characters? Unfortunately not really. Most protagonist units are locked to their designated pilot for plot reasons.
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Mar 6, 2017 21:20
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drat. I wanted to make goofy combinations. Oh well.
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Mar 6, 2017 21:22
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ImpAtom posted:Unfortunately not really. Most protagonist units are locked to their designated pilot for plot reasons. And sometime just because. (I wanted to give Luna the Akatsuki game!  )
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Mar 6, 2017 21:22
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Dr Pepper posted:And sometime just because. Look, someone already swapped Cagalli out of her protagonist unit canonically, don't do it to her in the game too. 
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Mar 6, 2017 21:24
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So sounds like Lunamaria is randomly plot-locked to her suit? Or is it the Akatsuki that's plot-locked? Who do you get from SEED anyway?
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Mar 6, 2017 21:26
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Senerio posted:So sounds like Lunamaria is randomly plot-locked to her suit? Or is it the Akatsuki that's plot-locked? Lunamaria is locked to her suit because Strike Freedom, Infinite Justice and Destiny are all locked to their plots and there's nothing else she could go into if she wanted. (Plus she has two combo attacks with Shinn so you wouldn't want to take her out of it anyway.) Akatsuki isn't in the game. Oddly Mu La Flaga has been completely 100% absent for a while now despite Koyasu voicing other characters. It's Freedom, Justice, Destiny, Impulse and Eternal.
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Mar 6, 2017 21:28
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My complaint about the Akatsuki is from Z1, I don't have V yet.  Akatsuki doesn't seem to be in V. As for Z1, it's locked to noted war criminal Neo Roanoke.
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Mar 6, 2017 21:29
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Oh okay. This is my first non-OG SRW, so I'm just trying to figure out who to focus on and what machines are worth it and whatnot. Currently on Scenario 9 with Chitose when I get home.
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Mar 6, 2017 21:35
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Senerio posted:So sounds like Lunamaria is randomly plot-locked to her suit? Or is it the Akatsuki that's plot-locked? It's the Akatsuki that's plot-locked. Specifically, plot-locked-out-of-the-game.
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Mar 6, 2017 21:35
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Senerio posted:Oh okay. This is my first non-OG SRW, so I'm just trying to figure out who to focus on and what machines are worth it and whatnot. Basically how it pans out Originals: All originals are worth it, but your protagonist unit far outstrips the Grungust and Huckebein Mightgaine: Mightgaine is extremely good, his support units are passable but not excellent except maybe Joe the Ace Zambot/Daitarn: Solid dependable super robots. Daitarn is the better of the two but only has one spell pool. Mostly worth deploying together for their combo attack. Mazinger: Mazinger Z (and eventually Mazinger Zero) are among the most broken units in the game. Great Mazinger is close behind. Boss and Sayaka are kinda eh. Getter Robo: Shin Getter is absurdly good, Black Getter is only if you like it, Shin Dragon is a top-tier battleship in a game full of top-tier battleships Cross Ange: Ange is absurdly good, Salamandria is fairly solid, the rest are disposable. Evangelion: Eva-01 is game-breakingly good. Eva-02 is solid and dependable. Eva-08 is pretty average and meh. Eva-00 is crap. FMP: Sousuke is extremely good, the rest are pretty mediocre and should only be deployed as a group. Nadesico: Black Selena and the Nadesico are extremely good, the other Aesties are kinda mediocre. ZZ Gundam: A batch of solid support pilots but only ZZ Gundam really stands out for its units. Judau should be the ZZ Pilot due to plot-locked attacks. Zeta Gundam: Zeta Gundam is extremely solid if given to Kamille though not ZZ Good. Methuss is lol. If you unlocked Jerid and Yazan but are surprisingly good pilots for anything that doesn't have NT requirements. CCA: Nu Gundam is extremely good though Amuro can make anything good. Unicorn: Unicorn and Banshee are incredibly good though you will have to keep Riddhe in Banshee to access its combo attack. Most of the others are disposable. Marida is a very solid support pilot (a third Puru) who excels in a better unit. Hathaway's Flash: Xi is a fantastic unit that should be given to someone not named Hathaway as soon as possible. Crossbone: Good units and good pilots. Kincade probably needs a better unit than the F91 to excel. SEED Destiny: 3 extremely good units, 1 fairly average unit. Should be deployed together if you're using them as otherwise you're locked out of combo attacks. (This also means the Eternal should be deployed to give Justice and Freedom their METEOR attacks.) 00: Setsuna is excellent, the rest are fairly forgettable. Graham would be top-tier if he could get a different suit. Tieria can leave your party but will refund everything you spend on him and become a subpilot for 00. Yamato: The Best Carrier Ever and I guess a lovely jet you'll probably ignore.
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Mar 6, 2017 21:56
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That's a good list but really undersells Black Selena. At half upgrade bonus deployed with Nadesco it can easily solo most maps. Enemies beeline for it for some reason and he can just spam distortion attack over and over and have full EN next turn. He's only not my top ace because Chitose is a god in her Power upgrade. e: not that you can't replicate that function with items but having it baked in is really good and leaves room for weapon +power/range upgrades
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Mar 6, 2017 22:03
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Levantine posted:That's a good list but really undersells Black Selena. At half upgrade bonus deployed with Nadesco it can easily solo most maps. Enemies beeline for it for some reason and he can just spam distortion attack over and over and have full EN next turn. He's only not my top ace because Chitose is a god in her Power upgrade. Akito and Ange basically both fall into the territory of being small/weak enough that enemies beeline for them while being strong enough that they wreck the poo poo of whoever is stupid enough to attack them. Akito has built in energy regen while Ange can get it from upgrades but in either case they're both absurdly good in a game that doesn't favor reals. Sousuke is close but his unit just isn't as good as theirs.
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Mar 6, 2017 22:05
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That's disappointing about Eva-00. I'm glad the Xi is good, and I'll probably toss it onto people I like. Beyond the protagonists, who are the better UC pilots?
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Mar 6, 2017 22:06
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Senerio posted:That's disappointing about Eva-00. I'm glad the Xi is good, and I'll probably toss it onto people I like. The Purus/Marida are solid pilots. Yazan and Jerid as mentioned are pretty top-tier pilots for oldtypes. Roux is pretty dependable as a support pilot. (I stuck her in the Xi Gundam and she did fairly well.) .Beyond that you're stuck with a lot of filler or Fa/Beechas.
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Mar 6, 2017 22:11
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I'm keeping Hathaway in the Xi right now out of worries that I won't get the missile upgrade for it or miss getting the Penelope, but when I find out the exact stuff I need for future playthroughs, Puru 2 and Mardia will be sitting in those two units forever until I just need to shove his dumb rear end into it for secrets. Roux can take Banshee and Seabook gets Nu. For those who got the super missile Xi, when do you get that upgrade?
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Mar 6, 2017 22:42
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ImpAtom posted:Akito and Ange basically both fall into the territory of being small/weak enough that enemies beeline for them while being strong enough that they wreck the poo poo of whoever is stupid enough to attack them. Akito has built in energy regen while Ange can get it from upgrades but in either case they're both absurdly good in a game that doesn't favor reals. Yeah I didn't really "get" Ange at first but some upgrades and unlocked abilities later she's just a total monster. On the off chance she takes some damage she heals it next round.
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Mar 6, 2017 23:16
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ImpAtom posted:FMP: I have been deploying Clouseau also, because he's a Commander that isn't in a battleship and this is occasionally a useful thing to have.
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Mar 6, 2017 23:20
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Prism posted:I have been deploying Clouseau also, because he's a Commander that isn't in a battleship and this is occasionally a useful thing to have. So's Mao, and she gets a combo attack. At least, until Sosuke upgrades to the Laevateinn, why can't we still have the combo attack with the Laevateinn.
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Mar 6, 2017 23:21
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Supremezero posted:So's Mao, and she gets a combo attack. Since I don't use Kurz, the combo attack means nothing (it requires all three, right?), and I've been doing better with Clouseau than Mao as solo units. Clouseau's counter weapon being his best weapon doesn't hurt, if there's a bunch of damaged crap near him. I don't have room for all of them. I'm only on stage 23 though since I've been taking my time.
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Mar 6, 2017 23:22
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ImpAtom posted:Hathaway's Flash: Joke's on you, Hathaway was the first pilot to get Valor in my game  (This doesn't make him good, mind you, it just makes me crazy.)
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Mar 7, 2017 00:50
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CaptainRat posted:Joke's on you, Hathaway was the first pilot to get Valor in my game Ironically overleveling Hathaway actually works against him because it means he is impacting less things with Defiance!
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Mar 7, 2017 00:55
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i like that one of hathaway's skills is just 'gently caress you dad'
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ImpAtom posted:Ironically overleveling Hathaway actually works against him because it means he is impacting less things with Defiance! Yeah, he's basically the worst all around, right down to his non-pilot suit outfit; the fact that so far he and Boss are the only two pilots to share Defiance has me thinking of him as the Boss of Gundam (which is actually probably Mondo or Iino but whatever). I'm mainly using him just because I like to use the "canon" pilots my first time around, and, well, he has Gain, so leveling him isn't much of a problem, and the Xi is mostly idiot-proof (speaking of which, where's Katz?). Edit: vvv Oh drat, I didn't notice it on Kappei. Also that makes no sense, unless they're doing it as a post-series justification for losing the Sleep Training? CaptainRat fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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CaptainRat posted:Yeah, he's basically the worst all around, right down to his non-pilot suit outfit; the fact that so far he and Boss are the only two pilots to share Defiance has me thinking of him as the Boss of Gundam (which is actually probably Mondo or Iino but whatever). I'm mainly using him just because I like to use the "canon" pilots my first time around, and, well, he has Gain, so leveling him isn't much of a problem, and the Xi is mostly idiot-proof (speaking of which, where's Katz?). You should have gotten Kappei before Boss? I still don't like it as a skill. Just give them slightly discounted Spirits or inflated Melee or something.
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Mar 7, 2017 01:04
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CaptainRat posted:Yeah, he's basically the worst all around, right down to his non-pilot suit outfit; the fact that so far he and Boss are the only two pilots to share Defiance has me thinking of him as the Boss of Gundam (which is actually probably Mondo or Iino but whatever). I'm mainly using him just because I like to use the "canon" pilots my first time around, and, well, he has Gain, so leveling him isn't much of a problem, and the Xi is mostly idiot-proof (speaking of which, where's Katz?). Dude, Boss is cool, don't compare him to that poo poo Hathaway.
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The funny thing is that in this game, Boss is potentially a really solid support unit, if you give the Borot the ability to move and resupply, since it's actually a fairly mobile and tanky unit with Boss and the gang's spirit pools. I just had a level for example where it got like 3 or 4 grunt kills, which is amazing considering it's supposed to be kind of a joke, at least compared to something like Getter or Mazinger.
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Mar 7, 2017 01:21
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The final stage of the final SRW will feature mechs like Mazinger ZERO, God EVA-01, Getter Emperor, Char in the Turn-A, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, and the Ideon... All teaming up to take out the mighty protagonist unit, the Boss Borot.
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PurplieNurplie posted:The funny thing is that in this game, Boss is potentially a really solid support unit, if you give the Borot the ability to move and resupply, since it's actually a fairly mobile and tanky unit with Boss and the gang's spirit pools. That's actually more or less normal for Boss in SRW.
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Mar 7, 2017 01:28
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Boss being a joke unit is kind of the reason hes usually fairly decent to good.
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I thought this the other day: now that there's a Shin Great, is Photon Beam Mazinger Z's answer to Thunder Break?
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ImpAtom posted:The only 'cross-series' units are the UC ones. Any from UC can go into any other UC unit though some are locked ability/plotwise by NT levels. (The exception is Unicorn Gundam which is plot-locked to Banagher.) For clarity, Hayato and Benkei do go into the Black Getter with Ryouma, it just doesn't transform. Their spell lists are still available. The next SRW original variation unit I want is definitely Black Getter 2 and 3 for the Getter boys. CaptainRat posted:(speaking of which, where's Katz?). Dead. Flew into a rock and died during the events of Zeta. As far as I can tell Zeta happened mostly as it did in the show except for Jerid
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EthanSteele posted:Dead. Flew into a rock and died during the events of Zeta. As far as I can tell Zeta happened mostly as it did in the show except for Jerid The way things are explained due to SRW going on the protagonist group during that situation decided that rather than fighting a war they'd hyper-zoom-in on the leaders of the factions. So they went and killed Scirocco and Haman and such but left their underlings mostly alive. It seems like Zeta happened as per normal except for that.
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EthanSteele posted:
Jerid was what threw me, but yeah, I guess if they don't start putting their feet down about canon ends they could go all the way back to, "well maybe Gai survived," and the like. Plus I guess I can use Sanada for
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