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Wallet Inspector posted:Yeah, Kaden's problem is that his stat distribution and his class don't match up at all. High Res for a mage killer, but he can't attack at 2 range so he's strictly worse at it than the ninjas and servants. He has skills that make him effective against horse units, but poor defense reduces his effectiveness against them compared with using Oboro or a unit who joins shortly with a Beastkiller. His Conquest equivalent is much better IMO because that units bases and growths match up much better with an anti-cavalry class.
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  I...I think we’re safe here. You can’t escape from me, Corrin. Brother!BROTHER!!! Also really annoying that defeating him doesn't change anything.  You have betrayed not only your king but your whole family.  To think...I once called you Brother and loved you with all my heart… Elise! What are you doing? Stand back, Elise. Leave this to me. No! I won’t let you hurt Corrin. If you must fight someone...fight me! Elise, please. Don’t do this. Azura gives no fucks, scrap every chance that opens up  We have to cut our losses and run. Fighting here put the innocent people of Nestra at risk. But… Hurry, Corrin! Argh!*The group runs* That’s right. Run away while you can. I will always find you, little prince. It is your destiny to face me… *Some time later*   Yes. For Now. But we’re eventually going to have to settle things once and for all with Xander. I’ve got a lot of work to do before I’ll be his equal in battle. You’re right. I’ve also got a long way to go. Still, we should take advantage of this chance to rest. We won’t get many. Have you seen Azura? I want to make sure she gets the message. Hmm, I saw her a minute ago…  Ah, she’s right over there. Behind that tree. Thanks, Takumi. Tend to your wounds, and rest well. I’ll talk to you later.*Corrin walks over to the tree*    UNNGH… Whoa, what’s wrong? Corrin? Yes, it’s me! What’s going on? Are you hurt? No, no. I’m fine. Please, don’t worry…Well as long as you're fine during battle You really don’t seem fine. Wait here. I’ll go get Sakura. No! Really, I’m fine. I just...need a moment. Are you sure? You look exhausted. Yes. I suppose I am. Thank you for your concern. Really, though. I’m starting to feel better… Come on, we should get going. Ryoma is still out there somewhere. Wait, Azura— *Azura leaves* drat. Dis is startin to get REAL annoying, Blue Dancer Class Overview: Kinshi Knight, Kitsune Kinshi Knight   Pair-up Bonus: +2 SKL/SPD/LCK, +1 MOV Weapon rank: Lances (B), Bows (A) Skills: (lvl 5) Air Superiority-Hit rate and Avoid +30 when facing Flying enemies (lvl 15) Amaterasu-Allies within a 2 tile radius recover 20% HP at the start of the user’s Turn Kinshi Knights have superior movement and good pair-up bonuses, at the cost of not being able to master either weapon choices. Not really a problem, since you can just forge up Iron Weapons to be strong enough, and they have one additional niche of dominating the skies between a bow and Air Superiority. A solid support unit for the team. RIP Reina. Kitsune   Pair-up Bonus: +4 SPD, +2 LCK Weapon rank: Beaststones (B) Skills: (lvl 1) Evenhanded-During even-numbered Turns, damage +4 (lvl 10) Beastbane-When user is a Wolfskin or Kitsune, their attacks are effective against Beast units Kills Cavaliers, really good during even turns. Not really much else to say, other than having the same weakness as the bunnies in Awakening in being stuck with 1-range. And to be frank, killing Cavaliers really good isn't much of a good thing when you have so many debuffers between Spear Fighters and Ninjas that two-turn killing anything is normal.
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*huff* *huff* really doesn't convey the truly horrific noises Azura makes during that scene.
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If nothing else, Kaden makes a great pair-up bot to anyone who needs Speed - he gives 6 Speed at S-rank, 7 Speed once he promotes. Or if you never plan to use him at all, go ahead and turn him into an Onmyoji, where he'll give +4 MAG/+6 SPD. He's pretty much everything Orochi could want (aside from not giving her any new classes).
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Endorph posted:of the major fe4 antagonists the only ones like that are manfroy and julius. and julius is literally satan so he has an excuse. I feel like this is missing out an entire complement of assholes like Blume or his comically assholish wife Hilda who made it their life's mission to abuse the poo poo out of a small child, or literally every identical evil devil-worshipper who spends their free time sacrificing children. If they don't count as major villains hardly anyone does because FE4 doesn't give us sympathetic or multilayered characterization of most villains outside the incestuous demon family. fe4 occasionally strives to hit some subtle high points in its writing but it only really achieves that with arvis who gets relatively well-presented as a tortured soul who got lured into something extremely evil and Eldigan who is pretty much an archetypal Camus with bonus incest. Granted they're both quite well-written for a fire emblem villain but they're exceptions in FE4 not the rule. SC Bracer fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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SC Bracer posted:I feel like this is missing out an entire complement of assholes like Blume or his comically assholish wife Hilda who made it their life's mission to abuse the poo poo out of a small child, or literally every identical evil devil-worshipper who spends their free time sacrificing children. If they don't count as major villains hardly anyone does because FE4 doesn't give us sympathetic or multilayered characterization of most villains outside the incestuous demon family. You forgot Travant, the dude who exists to be the competently done version of Evil King Dad.
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I'd argue Travant gets most of his development in FE5 rather than 4 so he's only really included in the list if you're talking about Jugdral as a whole (FE5 in general does a lot of things better in the character writing department imo because of the smaller scope of the game). I really like him though, dude is a good villain.
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SC Bracer posted:I feel like this is missing out an entire complement of assholes like Blume or his comically assholish wife Hilda who made it their life's mission to abuse the poo poo out of a small child, or literally every identical evil devil-worshipper who spends their free time sacrificing children. If they don't count as major villains hardly anyone does because FE4 doesn't give us sympathetic or multilayered characterization of most villains outside the incestuous demon family.
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 Got a couple new upgrade options. Traveler's Plaza upgrades to 8 visitors from streetpass which is meaningless. Same with Lilith's Temple which raises her level cap, also meaningless for a single-player run. Upgrading the Peach/Jade means I now get more material per offering. So I'll upgrade Jade since that ultimately makes exchanging for other jewels easier.   I like how it wasn't we failed to win. The team failed to start an attack.     Oh, I hope Ryoma is here... He's the toughest person I've ever met, but... I'm still worried. Have faith, Takumi. Soon, the six of us will be reunited in the fight against Nohr! I agree. I'm confident we're on the right path. Hmm, someone's coming this way. Who is it? I can't tell yet. Look, over there, coming out of the shadows. It can't be Xander. He couldn't have tracked us down so quickly. Wait. That's not Xander. But it's definitely trouble... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nehyB51GwcE  The snippet from the first trailer that started the craze.  Why is she two feet from Corrin, guys  A little birdie told me that you were coming here, and I just couldn't resist.   No, Hinoka...it's OK. So, this is your new big sister, eh? Hmm... Camilla... I hope you know I could never replace you. But I couldn't stand for what King Garon represents, either. I had to make an impossible decision... I'm happy to see you with your new siblings and your new friends. All I ever wanted was for you to be loved! So I'm glad that you are, even though we're not together any longer. Camilla...Well, this seems to go much smoother than Xander at least. If only this joy could last, baby brother...   Welp never mind What are you doing? Look out, Corrin! Will someone hurry up and take her out?You're the one with the bow!  I'm working on it!  He'll never be our brother again. I'll never get to sing him to sleep. We've loved him for most of his life, but I guess that wasn't enough in the end... I'll make you pay for taking him from us! You'll all die, here and now! Camilla, no!  Oh, this rear end in a top hat again Yes, yes. Sorry for the delay. Hans?! I'm sorry, dearest Corrin. I wish all could be as it was, but I came here to fight. I won't allow you to meet with the Hoshidan prince! Hans and my lovely retainers will help me take good care of you! Camilla, please! No!*Camilla retreats to the city wall*  But if you survive long enough to make it all the way up here...  I will do what I must and pierce your body with my blade. And then cradle you in my arms...just as I did when you were a child. Sister...   So, busy as hell map with a "timer" of sorts with Thieves running around to loot the houses. Good news is that deployment is higher for this map, so more firepower overall. Bench 4, Stats HERE Vote HERE Hinta's out for three straight missions in essentially being the top three voted each time.
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Yea, figures that Camilla brings a ton of wyvern knights along for her map. Although I wasn't expecting all of those cavaliers and armor knights. Takumi is going to have a field day on this map, same with Orochi.
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SloppyDoughnuts posted:Camilla is so awful in every conceivable way. She's a pretty effective showcase of everything wrong with how video games portray women.
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camilla is a really cool character, and i like her, and also her big boobs if you want an actual demonstration, peep sera in dragon age inquisition or something
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I hope you guys realize this is basically Rinkah's last chance to stay on the playthrough.
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Tae posted:I hope you guys realize this is basically Rinkah's last chance to stay on the playthrough. I did but I haven't been voting her out of the party anyway. Maybe it's a good idea to point out which characters are at risk of being permanently dropped.
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To me Camillia feels like another victim of the Nohr Idiot Stick brigade. Only with extra obsession that would be more interesting if she wasn't stuck holding the Idiot Stick (because now it's just creepy.) If I were writing this, around here would be the point that Corrin gets absolutely sick of his foster siblings schtick and directly confronts them about their lack of respect for him. Alas no. Reluctant fighting begin! Edit: Also I know Rinkah's in danger of permabenching. I wish it was Azama 
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Laslow is pretty handsome.
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Tae posted:I hope you guys realize this is basically Rinkah's last chance to stay on the playthrough. Good thing a better axe user is about to join! I quite like this map. Optional objectives in the houses, dragon veins that are useful but not necessarily essential, a couple powerful enemies in the Generals and Wyvern Lord, and plenty of opportunity to show off the Hammer that just dropped if you're still using Rinkah or an Axe wielding Corrin.
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Junpei posted:Is it just me, or does Laslow (Xander's male Mercenary retainer) look... familiar? You were literally just smacked for doing this in Artix's thread. Cut this poo poo out. Also Tae pretty much confirmed that anyways so you aren't even succeeding in being "clever".
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AweStriker posted:I did but I haven't been voting her out of the party anyway. Maybe it's a good idea to point out which characters are at risk of being permanently dropped. If it makes you feel any better, the number of votes for Rinkah increased when I mentioned it so you didn't hurt her chances
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Tae posted:
I don't think you need to hint at something the LPer said in the LP.
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There's actually quite a bit of cool analysis you can do on Camilla's character if you take information we learn on both routes together, not that she's entirely guiltless of being a stunning piece of objectification. She is a much better written character than you'd imagine though especially after the way she's introduced here.
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Man, people do not want Reina C Support   The Flame Tribe... It sounds to me like their embers have grown cold. You've got a scary look on your face right now.  I-I'll never talk! NEVER!  That would be impossible!
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Tae posted:
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SC Bracer posted:There's actually quite a bit of cool analysis you can do on Camilla's character if you take information we learn on both routes together, not that she's entirely guiltless of being a stunning piece of objectification. She is a much better written character than you'd imagine though especially after the way she's introduced here. Also the supports. In fact the supports in general on the Nohr side are really strong.
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It's the biggest tragedy about the Nohr siblings. They're actually more interesting, flawed and sympathetic than the Hoshido siblings... Except having them follow Garon just kneecaps their characters, and makes them look way stupider and more uncaring than they should be.
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Hunt11 posted:Also the supports. In fact the supports in general on the Nohr side are really strong. Ehhh... I mean, compared to Hoshido, yes, but by overall Fire Emblem standards, I wouldn't say it was all that great. Too much neutral voice, the standard 3DS problems with repetition, Corrin... there's a lot of problems.
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Camel Pimp posted:She's a pretty effective showcase of everything wrong with how video games portray women. I dunno, out of curiosity I looked up who's the series' first marriage option for queer women, a part of this game's cast, and holy crap who thought that was a good idea? I guess the likes of her and Sera are at least proving that gay and bi women in RPGs can be complete asshats and loving creepy. Equal opportunity.
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Cythereal posted:I dunno, out of curiosity I looked up who's the series' first marriage option for queer women, a part of this game's cast, and holy crap who thought that was a good idea? I guess the likes of her and Sera are at least proving that gay and bi women in RPGs can be complete asshats and loving creepy. Equal opportunity. We should save that conversation for when she actually gets introduced, though.
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Cythereal posted:I dunno, out of curiosity I looked up who's the series' first marriage option for queer women, a part of this game's cast, and holy crap who thought that was a good idea? I guess the likes of her and Sera are at least proving that gay and bi women in RPGs can be complete asshats and loving creepy. Equal opportunity. I actually know how this whole thing came about! I mean, mostly. It's kind of an interesting chain of events. So, like a lot in Fates, it all started with Awakening, the Last Fire Emblem (or so the dev team figured was a likely course, unless they made a blockbuster). They wanted a lovable cast of oddballs, going with a lot of broad tropes to start, and then filling in the details when actually writing a character. Tharja kicked off with "Hey, maybe an obsessive stalker would be funny.", which was followed by discussion of who she should be obsessed with. Since one was guaranteed to be around and alive, the Avatar was an obvious choice, especially since Chrom (the ostensible main character, at least for the first two acts) already had someone romantically obsessed with him. Since she was from the dark mage country, she wore the game's dark mage costume. Which, for both genders, was pretty revealing despite covering the whole body. Semi-transparent cloth will do that. And, well, Tharja was a hit with fans. Big hit. Despite being an optional character (you can kill her off without ever knowing she's recruitable), she was one of the highest ranking characters in several popularity polls, with the most recent global popularity contest putting her as the fourth most popular character in the entire series (With Lyn, Lucina, and Ike taking gold, silver, and bronze, respectively.) People liked her, both for the obvious reasons, and because she's got some pretty good schtick aside from the stalking, both in her Aubrey Plaza style 'sunny' personality bouncing off the more upbeat members of the cast, and in her attempts to be the classic evil witch failing due to her own intrinsic (and unwanted) decency. (It's worth noting her lowest showing in an Awakening poll at a respectable-but-not-impressive 11th place came in the Nintendo Dream results, which has a really loving lopsided gender ratio. Tharja's not unpopular with female fans, as far as the data goes, but she definitely ranks lower) Of course, most dialog in Awakening is shared between the two versions of Robin, including most supports. So that meant that Tharja, despite showing no strong inclination towards other women, (and having marriages available with most of the men in the cast, with varying levels of enthusiasm) was still very interested in female Robin. Cut forward to Fates, and there was a decision to bring back the most popular Awakening characters, as seen with "Laslow", despite the plot having nothing to do with Awakening, and it generally not meshing with the rest of the game. (Bad mimicry of Awakening, as we've seen already, was something of a pattern with Fates.) Tharja was popular, so she got a poor copy as Hayato's kid. Since Fates decided to have gay marriage, it made some level of sense, to the extent any of the Awakening mimicry made sense, to have players be able to actually tie the knot with Tharja, since they couldn't last time. The Japanese dialog also implied some reincarnation was going on, despite Corrin and Robin being very different characters, because pandering to the player is all Fates knows. And then, in the interests of egalitarianism, the US release switched out the unique support with female Corrin for the male version, which played up the stalking even more. Localization also further pushed Soleil as Actually Bi, which made her not being an option even weirder. Basically, it's a complicated chain of decisions that lead to the disaster before us, not one bad intentioned decision.
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Sheesh, I know Azura's useful, but don't you guys think she's a bit overused by this point? I've been primarily voting to bench drastically underlevelled, overlevelled, or BAD characters thus far, and I'm pretty sure you guys have literally deployed Azura on EVERY MAP THUS FAR (thus making her overlevelled). How about spreading the experience a bit, maybe keep a few more characters viable for later instead of locking Tae into one specific team? Anyway, support comments:Tae posted:C Support Saizo, every Fire Emblem veteran ever would be more inclined to agree with Rinkah... and possibly bench your rear end while they're at it for merely SUGGESTING such a thing. Assuming, of course, you haven't been benched already for being such an rear end. And let us not forget more practical reasons to call off pursuit of retreating enemies: First, if you take too many casualties then you won't have access to those soldiers when you actually NEED them. Second, if your soldiers know you consider them expendable that'll kill their morale. Third, they might be leading you into an ambush. #3, in particular, is a facepalm-inducing oversight on his part; I mean, he's a NINJA, so he should really be cautious enough to at least consider such a possibility. I think all the ninja-ness went to Kaze, to be honest. Tae posted:
Kaden, you are the exact OPPOSITE of cool, calm, and collected. Also, apparently Azura isn't so above it all. Tae posted:
You know, "kids run in fright from you" is more of an indication that there's something wrong with YOU than them... Tae posted:
Subaki, some people (statistically speaking: Saizo) are capable of being good at everything. You are not one of those people... in fact, I'd say you aren't even good at your official job! Which, admittedly, may be because you keep getting distracted, but still. (Honestly, I hadn't noticed that explanation for why Subaki sucks. Thanks, AweStriker!)
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CptWedgie posted:Sheesh, I know Azura's useful, but don't you guys think she's a bit overused by this point? I've been primarily voting to bench drastically underlevelled, overlevelled, or BAD characters thus far, and I'm pretty sure you guys have literally deployed Azura on EVERY MAP THUS FAR (thus making her overlevelled). How about spreading the experience a bit, maybe keep a few more characters viable for later instead of locking Tae into one specific team? She is a dancer, and gains EXP when she dances. She isn't stealing chances for EXP from other characters.
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I'm trying to update as fast as possible so we can avoid the CIA document fest --------- C Support  I wouldn't feed what's on that tray to a dog.   Did you sell your soul to make my napkin scribbles magical? I was mad at myself for not being able to do anything about it.  I didn't even know people like you existed!
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There's literally no reason not to deploy Azura when she makes it so that you have two copies of one competent character.
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Azura is a fun character because either you use her as a singer which is already great, or you take advantage of her beast mode growths and reclass her into something else. I hope there will be some chances to reclass characters later on in the thread, since Azura is one of the more fun characters to screw around with.
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inthesto posted:Azura is a fun character because either you use her as a singer which is already great, or you take advantage of her beast mode growths and reclass her into something else. Literally after this chapter is when reclassing begins.
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chiasaur11 posted:And, well, Tharja was a hit with fans. Big hit. Despite being an optional character (you can kill her off without ever knowing she's recruitable), she was one of the highest ranking characters in several popularity polls, with the most recent global popularity contest putting her as the fourth most popular character in the entire series (With Lyn, Lucina, and Ike taking gold, silver, and bronze, respectively.) People liked her, both for the obvious reasons, and because she's got some pretty good schtick aside from the stalking, both in her Aubrey Plaza style 'sunny' personality bouncing off the more upbeat members of the cast, and in her attempts to be the classic evil witch failing due to her own intrinsic (and unwanted) decency. ...The gently caress, Fire Emblem fans? The only reason I put up with Tharja at all was because some of Noire's supports were funny.
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Cythereal posted:...The gently caress, Fire Emblem fans? The only reason I put up with Tharja at all was because some of Noire's supports were funny. She's obsessed with the player self-insert and barely wears anything. That's literally all it takes.
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Tharja helps orphans, rebuilds destroyed towns, helped Gregor contact his dead brother, and located a comrade's family to detect their safety. She's writing-wise one of the best and most varied characters in Awakening.
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