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Biomute posted:(I am not counting AVP for poo poo). AVP R was generally terrible, but the "small isolated town infested by xenos" bits of it was far and away the most interesting part of the movie.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Allen western set on a colony world where the local company officer has to rally the locals against a nest of xenomorphs that survived a research vessel crash No joke there is an Aliens comic with the premise of "What if Aliens ran amok in Westworld?". Also the original AvP comic had "Western" elements, with the humans being space-rancher colonists on a backwater desert planet, armed with the futuristic equivalent of civilian small-arms rather than military gear.
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After the trifecta of Wild Wild West, Cowboys and Aliens, and Jonah Hex I never want to see another weird wild west movie again.
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Neo Rasa posted:After the trifecta of Wild Wild West, Cowboys and Aliens, and Jonah Hex I never want to see another weird wild west movie again.
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Neo Rasa posted:After the trifecta of Wild Wild West, Cowboys and Aliens, and Jonah Hex I never want to see another weird wild west movie again. But Westworld?
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Xenomrph posted:Resurrection specifically references Ripley's death, etc. References in the sense that she is not dead.
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Wait, the kid is ripley in Alien vs Predator 2. How can Danny mcBride be Ripley's father?
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Lmao no it isn't.
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dont even fink about it posted:The Blomkamp project is probably dead, but he hasn't made a bad movie yet despite being given plenty of rope to hang himself on ambitious productions. Y'all never see the utter shite that was Chappie then? I try to ignore that bollocks exists too, it started off so well, the premise of an AI learning as a human would at an accelerated rate is something you could to lots with. Alas the concept was squandered and we got Die Antwoord doing soundtrack and art direction as well as being poo poo actors to boot and then some weird Hugh Jackman going apeshit using an ED-209 to shoot people because reasons... When the best actor in your film isn't actually a human actor you hosed up. That poo poo was loving terrible, definitely a bomb on his record. Elysium was decent but 'cmon man, claiming he hasn't made a bad movie just isn't true.
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dont even fink about it posted:References in the sense that she is not dead. They specifically mention the planet from Alien3 when they tell Ripley how they brought her back.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Y'all never see the utter shite that was Chappie then? I try to ignore that bollocks exists too, it started off so well, the premise of an AI learning as a human would at an accelerated rate is something you could to lots with. Alas the concept was squandered and we got Die Antwoord doing soundtrack and art direction as well as being poo poo actors to boot and then some weird Hugh Jackman going apeshit using an ED-209 to shoot people because reasons... When the best actor in your film isn't actually a human actor you hosed up. It was R-rated Short Circuit, what more do you want? Steve Guttenberg? They should have brought back Fisher Stevens as Chappie's creator though.
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Elysium was squandered potential in plot terms. They could have kept the general Marxist tone of the setting and climaxed with actually overthrowing the system, instead it makes a hard left into universal healthcare deus ex machina. Also Jodie Foster was terrible.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Y'all never see the utter shite that was Chappie then? I try to ignore that bollocks exists too, it started off so well, the premise of an AI learning as a human would at an accelerated rate is something you could to lots with. Alas the concept was squandered and we got Die Antwoord doing soundtrack and art direction as well as being poo poo actors to boot and then some weird Hugh Jackman going apeshit using an ED-209 to shoot people because reasons... When the best actor in your film isn't actually a human actor you hosed up. Chapple loving ruled though??? Also I'm pretty sure Sharlto Copley is an actual dude, not an IRL robot, though the sheer amount of random poo poo he shows up in kind of makes me wonder sometimes (he is the best part of Chappie, though, agreed- his performance pretty much carries it)
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Chapple loving ruled Hell yes. Everyone in that movie was awesome. It does drag a little bit in the middle between when they first start talking about the big heist and all of that coming to a head but I love that movie. Hugh Jackman's corporate douchebag in wannabe "hard worker" boots and stuff is like textbook perfect, I hate how many people I've met like that.
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Yeah, trying to figure out how it's a problem that the titular character of your movie has the best performance, especially when that means you've overcome the potential difficulty of getting the audience to engage with a robot.
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http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/03/06/ridley-scott-is-prepared-to-make-alien-movies-for-the-next-six-yearsquote:"If you really want a franchise, I can keep cranking it for another six. I'm not going to close it down again. No way." Yes please.
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What was the deal with Jodie Foster's character anyway? They changed the character's name and reshot everything and it still wasn't that great, what happened? I love Elysium's ending because they don't give people universal healthcare at the end, they give them humanity. There's no "these people can use the health machines" switch in the program. The only change they make at the end is for the computer to recognize everyone as a citizen instead of only people born on Elysium. Healthcare is what the movie is about on its face but it has more to say about how we handle immigrants than anything else. The movie literally ends with the only border that exists in the film's setting being destroyed, and I think it's powerful that that border isn't even a physical one but instead literally an artificial construct on a computer screen. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Slugworth posted:getting the audience to engage with a Number One Gangsta Robot. One small correction necessary.
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CelticPredator posted:http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/03/06/ridley-scott-is-prepared-to-make-alien-movies-for-the-next-six-years Aw nah, please make other movies too. Also Chappie owns.
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married but discreet posted:Aw nah, please make other movies too. Dude made Martian between Prometheus and Covenant, I wouldn't put it past Ridley to pepper a couple more dingers between his Alien opuses (opii?).
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Xenomrph posted:They specifically mention the planet from Alien3 when they tell Ripley how they brought her back. Thus none of that matters.
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man i do like ridley's work ethic. even his bad films aren't outrageously bad; guy is content to just make whatever he fancies. the clint eastwood work ethic not sayin all 6 years of alien films will be any good at all, but the idea of a dedicated director compared to scattershot "hey this guy made a movie that looked cool lets get him" approach might work in its favour
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dont even fink about it posted:Thus none of that matters. By your logic, Alien3 "completely ignores" 'Aliens' because none of the events of that movie matter once 'Alien3' brings the Alien back and kills all the survivors.
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Xenomrph posted:The events still took place, and the movie acknowledged them specifically. I mean if you'll recall the person who started that said exactly that, yes. SuperMechagodzilla posted:Aliens 'retconned' Alien (makes no mention of Mother, blames the events of that film entirely on the creature and Ash being 'glitchy'), and Alien 3 retconned Aliens (makes no mention of the criminal Burke, blames the events of that film on official company policy). Prometheus also retcons both AVP and AVP:R out of existence.
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i wish the wooden planet monk version of the movie was made.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i wish the wooden planet monk version of the movie was made. But only as a retcon of Aliens, it's the only way it could work.
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ImpAtom posted:I mean if you'll recall the person who started that said exactly that, yes. See that's where you hosed up. SMG is not a person.
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I wish that Meme would get killed like Hicks and Newt.
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you'd have to rewrite the end to the wood planet script because it was very stupid and it was dumb the alien could camo.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:That poo poo was loving terrible, definitely a bomb on his record. Elysium was decent but 'cmon man, claiming he hasn't made a bad movie just isn't true. Elysium is about a Mexican named  Ooooooh watch Elysium, and become worldly with me guys! Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Xenomrph posted:The events still took place, and the movie acknowledged them specifically. Pretty much! Don't negate the premise. After Aliens, the movies talk about the others in the sense that they bother to say "By the way, this didn't really happen and we're starting over with a new premise." Alien 3 actively denies the basis of the previous movies by doing things like re-purposing Ripley's last transmission from the Nostromo. Getting back to the point, it therefore doesn't really matter to me if Blomkamp makes a movie about Newt and Hicks. Franchises with multiple timelines interacting with each other (X-Men, Terminator, Star Trek, Looper, Cloud Atlas) are very much in vogue anyway, we should have all been taught by now how to read this kind of material. Alien movies have generally always been unconcerned with time and space.
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CelticPredator posted:http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/03/06/ridley-scott-is-prepared-to-make-alien-movies-for-the-next-six-years I'm down for this.
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There's been quite a few Ridley Scott interviews where he says something along the lines of "There's a French saying, 'Work to live.' Not me, I live to work." It's why he's always attached to so many projects, so as soon as one gets greenlit he can immediately begin production and never gets stuck twiddling his thumbs for years pursuing one film. So, Covenant doing well enough that he could pitch a package of back to back sequels like LotR or the Avatar sequels probably sounds really good to him. (It sounds good to me too).
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He's picked up some since his brother died too. Could be a bunch of reasons for that though, its easy to play armchair psychiatrist.
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Basebf555 posted:He's picked up some since his brother died too. Could be a bunch of reasons for that though, its easy to play armchair psychiatrist. I'm 100% fine with Ridley Scott working out his issues on the big screen.
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Basebf555 posted:He's picked up some since his brother died too. Could be a bunch of reasons for that though, its easy to play armchair psychiatrist. Not really? Aside from last year he's done a film a year for the last six years since his brothers death, the one year gap being due to the longer production of Covenant. But the same is true if you look at the six preceding years? Dude has always worked a lot. Edit: Since Gladiator in 2000, the only years he didn't release films were 2016 (Due to Covenant's long production cycle), 2011 (Due to Prometheus' long development cycle), 2002 (Due to Kingdom of Heaven's long development cycle), and 2002 (But he made two films in 2001). 2000 is the year he stepped back from directing commercials, which were the reason there were multiyear gaps in the '80s and '90s. Since the mid '80s he has kept a pretty strict schedule of taking 3 months out of the year to relax with family, and spending the rest of the time either in production, or overlapping post/pre-production. The death of his brother in 1980 was the last time he took more than a year off from both film and commercial production (Which led to the cancellation of his Dune, but the genesis of Blade Runner.) Bugblatter fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Tenzarin posted:Elysium is about a Mexican named Genuinely fascinating to see that Elysium rubs so many American viewers the wrong way. This is one of the tamer responses of course, but it's so bizarre that the film generates this kind of reaction.
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ImpAtom posted:I mean if you'll recall the person who started that said exactly that, yes. Oh, yeah, I've got him on ignore so I didn't see that post. He's mis-using "retcon", though. Like, the way he's using it, isn't what the word means. Well except for his bit about Prometheus retconning the AvP movies, that's (ambiguously) accurate. dont even fink about it posted:Pretty much! Don't negate the premise. But the movies do explicitly acknowledge that each other took place. Just because everyone dies at the start of Alien3 and Ripley essentially accomplished nothing in Aliens doesn't mean the narrative didn't occur. All those events took place, it just led to a point where it ultimately didn't matter. The egg(s) on the Sulaco that put the events of Alien3 in motion wouldn't have been there were it not for the events of the prior movie. Saying that things "didn't happen" just because it's a zero-sum equation or because the outcome "didn't matter" is a pretty wacky false equivocation. By that logic, most noir stories "didn't happen" because the protagonist ends up no better or worse than when they started.
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SUNKOS posted:Genuinely fascinating to see that Elysium rubs so many American viewers the wrong way. This is one of the tamer responses of course, but it's so bizarre that the film generates this kind of reaction. I am also willing to say Elysium is nothing more than a Johnny Mnemonic reboot. Hell in Johnny Mnemonic at least Ice T helped give the computer seizure remedy to the world at the end with the help of the hacker dolphin!
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SUNKOS posted:Genuinely fascinating to see that Elysium rubs so many American viewers the wrong way. This is one of the tamer responses of course, but it's so bizarre that the film generates this kind of reaction. I like that so many think the rich keeping healthcare from the poor is unrealistic.
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