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winston is good against genji if you're good at winston. the secret is that winston is hard and most people are very bad at him e: also I checked with genji, and you can indeed dash out of the deflect. you can also use your ult to cancel it, tho you do still need to draw your sword before you can do anything so that probably isn't gonna save you from being hacked Manatee Cannon fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Waterbed Wendy posted:I personally enjoy breaking out a Winston or Symmetra in those situations because not having to aim as your run him down is great fun and seeing the Genji panic and try to jump away is muy satisfacto Sym is only a counter to bad genji. Good genji can stay out of her range with relative ease Seconding roadhog as counter to good genji, but the roadhog must also be good. Genji when played well is a real pain to deal with
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Mar 6, 2017 21:55
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symmetra/winston/mei/zarya are all over the spectrum when it comes to actually killing a genji but they all benefit when dealing with one by having unreflectable attacks
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Mar 6, 2017 22:20
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Mei is pretty good at countering Genji if you can catch him unaware. Your freeze beam can't be countered and it slows him down so he can't jump all over the place. Plus it only takes one headshot when he's frozen to kill him. And you can iceblock if he starts getting the better of you.
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Mar 6, 2017 22:23
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Mei is not a good counter to any character with the mobility to avoid her. In fact, she isn't much of a counter-pick at all; her usefulness is much more closely tied to map selection than to team composition.
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Mar 6, 2017 22:38
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Mei is not a good counter to any character with the mobility to avoid her. In fact, she isn't much of a counter-pick at all; her usefulness is much more closely tied to map selection than to team composition. I mean hypothetically, if no one on the team can play roadhog or mccree well enough to protect healers from the genji, Mei might not be a terrible last ditch babysitter to at least get him to buzz off, since she just has to m1 in his general direction. She's not going to be able to do anything about his ult tho
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Mar 6, 2017 22:47
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Ice Wall also disrupts Dragonblade at least if you know where he's going to be coming from, since the Genji needs to spend at least a second or two of his ult time going around or above it. Honestly almost nothing is more satisfying than watching a Genji jump around and throwing up Deflect against your no-aim Winston/Symmetra/Mei beam that goes through shields and deflections.
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Mar 6, 2017 22:50
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There is no real hard counter to Genji, but an aware Zarya is about as close as it's gonna get. Her bubble protects your squishies, her M1 makes Genjis everywhere sad. Winston isn't bad but you're running cross-purpose with his goal to sit back and babysit. A good McCree is the strongest DPS counter, but reflected flashbangs are real and pretty crippling so they have to be confident at not panic flashbanging or getting baited into it. I come out ahead against Genjis almost every time as Soldier, but you are weak to Dragonblade and you really need good airborne tracking otherwise you'll never land a kill and they'll just scamper away.
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The problem I always run into with Genjis is that he has the mobility between his jumps and his dash to escape from anything that can reliably deal with him. Symmetra, Zarya, Winston, etc. all have range issues where he can get out if he runs into problems. Since a good Genji will only ever use his Dash to get a kill (And thus, get a free dash out of it) or as an escape you can't rely on ambushing him without it up. Genji is my worst character to fight because he can be as hard to track as Tracer, reflects most of the characters I'm better with, escapes anytime he's low on health and is always aiming for our heals. I don't think he's OP but I do think that his kit is extraordinarily difficult for many people to deal with.
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Mar 6, 2017 22:58
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if youre winston you cant start fighting the genji with a jump initiation, you have to wait until he escapes somewhere before you can use it
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Mei is not a good counter to any character with the mobility to avoid her. In fact, she isn't much of a counter-pick at all; her usefulness is much more closely tied to map selection than to team composition. you're right but mei (and hanzo), actually scares the poo poo out of me as tracer in spite of being at a disadvantage against her, because it doesn't matter how well you play it... sometimes you just instantly lose. I've walked around a corner into prefire icicle spam headshots before and I die a little inside every time
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Mar 6, 2017 23:01
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i got a 5k ulti in a comp match and not only did i not get potg i didnt even get a highlight after the match!
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Manatee Cannon posted:you're right but mei (and hanzo), actually scares the poo poo out of me as tracer in spite of being at a disadvantage against her, because it doesn't matter how well you play it... sometimes you just instantly lose. I've walked around a corner into prefire icicle spam headshots before and I die a little inside every time I ran around the corner into a mccree once and died so fast to his surprise accidental headshot that he flashbanged and fan the hammer'd my corpse before realizing I was already dead. Was funny watching on the replay.
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Mar 6, 2017 23:34
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No one really counters Genji in the sense of reliably shutting him down and then killing him, because his mobility gives him the ability to choose his battles and avoid or escape threats, but there are a lot of characters who zone him just by existing because he doesn't particularly want to get close to them. Mei or Zarya can't really get Genji into their range, but he'll typically prefer to stay away from them, so if they're standing near whoever he wants to kill then he's reduced to just poking people to build ult.
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i honestly just wish winston's gun could do 60 dps through anything and everything (except immunity or zarya shields or whatever) that way he's not completely shut down by a little bit of armor or damage reduction or whatever
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Main Paineframe posted:No one really counters Genji in the sense of reliably shutting him down and then killing him, except, you know, roadhog
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technically yes he does so by zoning but roadhog's zoning range is like twice as big as any of the other characters people have mentioned and is backed up by instant death rather than tickle damage
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Snazzy Frocks posted:i honestly just wish winston's gun could do 60 dps through anything and everything (except immunity or zarya shields or whatever) that way he's not completely shut down by a little bit of armor or damage reduction or whatever It'd be nice if certain elemental damage had different effects: -Electricity dealing 10% of its damage to health through shields -Cold having a reverse effect on armor (Dealing an extra 5 damage per a hit.) -Energy (Fire/Lasers) leaving a small DoT on the enemy etc. Game balance would need changes to accommodate, but future characters would be more interesting if they could plan around elemental effects more.
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Thor-Stryker posted:It'd be nice if certain elemental damage had different effects: Almost certainly not gonna happen in a game meant to be super accessible and easy to understand. Plus there isn't enough of an elemental aspect to the game for it to make sense, all it'd do is restrict future hero design because then Upcoming Heroes X and Y would be forced to have some ice- or lightning-themed abilities as otherwise having such a system in place would be pointless.
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Also Zarya's gun doesn't really need a buff.
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This game would be way better if every time Roadhog hooked Genji, Genji deflected it and Roadhog hooked himself, causing the game to INSTANTLY crash to desktop, or possibly go back in time.
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talk about your meta game
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Bust Rodd posted:This game would be way better if every time Roadhog hooked Genji, Genji deflected it and Roadhog hooked himself, causing the game to INSTANTLY crash to desktop, or possibly go back in time. 
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Kai Tave posted:Also Zarya's gun doesn't really need a buff. Zarya's gun should sweep across the map like the beacon from a light house and her M2 should be seen from space.
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zarya's gun doesn't uninstall your opponent's game when you kill them so honestly it's not quite good enough for me yet
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IronicDongz posted:zarya's gun doesn't uninstall your opponent's game when you kill them so honestly it's not quite good enough for me yet That should happen before being hit by a gun. Ideally it should crash and uninstall the game the second they hit 'confirm' after selecting Widowmaker or Hanzo.
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https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20753516591 Ana nerfs, Sombra and Zen buffs, some weird QOL changes for other characters. quote:45 min ago
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That Translocator buff is nice at least. It really should be permanent though.
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Wait. Junkrat not longer hurts himself with this own explosions? Does that mean I can go running like crazy into a small hallway full of dudes shooting wildly and not have it be a suicide mission? Does the rip tire not kill you anymore? It says "effect added to total mayhem" but... you're already dead when that happens? Not shocked at all by the Orisa change. You could sit there and unload on people FOREVER with her 200 clip size
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I like all of that
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Sombra having ANY voice notification when she comes out of cloak is dumb as poo poo HELLO I SNUCK UP ON YOU HI
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Yesssssss that Winston buff!!!
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Theta Zero posted:https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20753516591 That Ana nerf is brutal. Sombra buff is really exciting too, they're that much closer to making translocator permanent.
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Macaluso posted:Wait. Junkrat not longer hurts himself with this own explosions? Does that mean I can go running like crazy into a small hallway full of dudes shooting wildly and not have it be a suicide mission? Does the rip tire not kill you anymore? It says "effect added to total mayhem" but... you're already dead when that happens?
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it's nice that Ana can't 2 shot Tracer anymore, since I'm bad at Tracer
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ImPureAwesome posted:I like all of that it's the best ptr patch in a long time. the worst you can say about anything is that it's questionable (the junkrat change is interesting but idk that it'll make him viable in high tier play)
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Would Junkrat change mean he can use his ult in the middle of a fire fight and blow it up immediately and still live as well?
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Rirse posted:Would Junkrat change mean he can use his ult in the middle of a fire fight and blow it up immediately and still live as well?
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Theta Zero posted:https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20753516591 yessss eat a bag of dicks you miserable hag
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Manatee Cannon posted:it's the best ptr patch in a long time. the worst you can say about anything is that it's questionable (the junkrat change is interesting but idk that it'll make him viable in high tier play) it won't but any junkrat buff is a step in the right direction what they actually need to do is increase his projectile speed, make them blow up based on # of impacts instead of a timer, and make conc mines storable like tracer's blinks
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