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RedMagus posted:When Mae describes how everything broke down into shapes, is that relating to a real mental illness? Closest I can think of is face blindness, ala "Man whose Wife was a Hat". I'd really like to do some reading on that if possible. It's de-realization/depersonalization that can be caused by a lot of different things, you don't have to be mentally ill to experience it. A lot of the time it can brought on by anxiety or stress, or maybe it was all the cough medicine or other drugs.
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Megaspel posted:It's de-realization/depersonalization that can be caused by a lot of different things, you don't have to be mentally ill to experience it. A lot of the time it can brought on by anxiety or stress, or maybe it was all the cough medicine or other drugs. It described a mental episode I had well enough that I got uncomfortable and had to take a break for a bit from playing. In my case it was related to insomnia caused by severe anxiety. I had gone about a month by that point never sleeping more than 2-3 hours at a time.
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Zerilan posted:It described a mental episode I had well enough that I got uncomfortable and had to take a break for a bit from playing. In my case it was related to insomnia caused by severe anxiety. I had gone about a month by that point never sleeping more than 2-3 hours at a time. Wow dang, near deadlines I would stay awake for about 30 hours at a time, then have short naps, that hosed me up but I was so concentrated on my work I didn't think about much else, besides procrastinating on twitter; and when I was done I got very drunk and slept for a couple days, probably shouldn't have cycled home. I think a lot of people with any mental issues tend to experience episodes, or otherwise uncover them in university, due to the stress involved. A friend of mine took a year out after having an episode and finding out he has bipolar disorder, and another one of my mates had depression. I think I've very briefly experienced de realization a couple times.
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Mar 6, 2017 12:36
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in college the only shape i saw was pussy
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fbsw posted:in college the only shape i saw was pussy Must've been a rough couple semesters trying to rub out that math requirement, huh
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Got an e-mail back about my missing pipe problem and he said they're submitting a patch for that and achievement issues later this week.
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I thought the ending revelation about the influence of the Black Goat (was that its proper name? I've just been calling it "the horror", I don't remember a name) on Mae's mental state didn't undermine her internal issues and struggle too much - I read it more like they'd been exploiting that vulnerability, with the nightmares being just one symptom of it, to shape her into something useful to the cult. Now that they've been cut off she's free from that influence and can make progress on getting better but she still has her own issues to overcome, including external challenges like her family's struggles or whether to go back to school or work, just now there isn't an eldritch abomination with its thumb on the scales trying to push her down a dark road. On a related note, is Mae not meant to have visited over the two years she was away? Was she so far away she couldn't swing by over the summer or for Longest Night? There's a college town just a two-hour drive away, I don't recall hearing what she was studying but she didn't come off as a star student whisked away to a top college on the other side of the world. Alder suggested she could try transferring to a more local college and that seems like a natural fit.
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Dolash posted:is Mae not meant to have visited over the two years she was away? I thought it was her first semester. She spent some time out of school after she almost killed that kid, right? The fact that she's 20 doesn't mean she went to college at 18.
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A Human Ear Alright posted:I thought it was her first semester. She spent some time out of school after she almost killed that kid, right? The fact that she's 20 doesn't mean she went to college at 18. Mrs. B mentions Mae being a sophomore.
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Ohhh, okay. Yeah I guess that would make sense too. Edit: Or not? I definitely got the impression from how her friends reacted and how much had changed that it had been a couple years, which was a little odd.
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The timeline of the game seems a little off, but it's nothing major. Like I said, Mae's age doesn't even line up with her memories of her grandfather (who died in 1998).
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She was at school for three semesters, so she dropped out halfway through her Sophomore year. The implication seems to be that she just never came home during breaks in that time. Given how much of a mess she was at college, it makes sense that she wouldn't be able to even get out of bed to go home. e: I've been listening to this all day. I'm so ready for fan covers/music to keep dropping. And also the official OST at some point. kidcoelacanth fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Dolash posted:I thought the ending revelation about the influence of the Black Goat (was that its proper name? I've just been calling it "the horror", I don't remember a name) on Mae's mental state didn't undermine her internal issues and struggle too much - I read it more like they'd been exploiting that vulnerability, with the nightmares being just one symptom of it, to shape her into something useful to the cult. Now that they've been cut off she's free from that influence and can make progress on getting better but she still has her own issues to overcome, including external challenges like her family's struggles or whether to go back to school or work, just now there isn't an eldritch abomination with its thumb on the scales trying to push her down a dark road. I'm disappointed they didn't go beyond the whole evil murder cult issue and felt very vague. I expected to see some kind of plan for the next few months but it just ended? Also, I feel like Mae could've stayed over the holidays but you know that's not cheap either. It's possible she could've went home during the winter/summer but didn't spend much time outside her home too. It's weird how much closed off a college campus feels in dorms unless you own a car or live nearby transportation.
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A Human Ear Alright posted:Must've been a rough couple semesters trying to rub out that math requirement, huh yeah then i had to drop out and made a game called night in the woods about my experience
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Dolash posted:Edit: My guess for what that bit of indecipherable dialogue Mae hears from the horror at the end translates to is "We can operationalize curiosity to incentivize workers without increasing pay." Just skimmed through the thread and I'm not sure that I've seen a combination of words make me more irrationally angry than that quote.
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Zerilan posted:Just skimmed through the thread and I'm not sure that I've seen a combination of words make me more irrationally angry than that quote.
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I just realized a bottomless pit is an Infinite Fall. Also:Casey is kinda like Well Boy. EDIT: Since it is typically three months, an Infinite Fall is a Weird Autumn. eatenmyeyes fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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pumpinglemma posted:Honestly that seems like pretty rational anger to me. Yeah, good point.
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Alder posted:I'm disappointed they didn't go beyond the whole evil murder cult issue and felt very vague. I expected to see some kind of plan for the next few months but it just ended? Also, I feel like Mae could've stayed over the holidays but you know that's not cheap either. It's possible she could've went home during the winter/summer but didn't spend much time outside her home too. I've thought about this too and sort of wanted them to go further or make some kind of followup, but I can see why they wouldn't. The supernatural threat gives a strong central plotline to build the story around and something climactic to beat in the end, but the ongoing struggle of life isn't that clean and it might've seemed like a bit of a cop-out if she'd been ready to get her whole life back on track as soon as the horror and the cult were out of the picture. Mae talks a lot in the ending about needing to "process" the events they've gone through and has enough deep-rooted issues of her own that it's believable she wouldn't be ready first thing the next day to get back to college or find a job. She can tentatively plan to tell her parents about what happened to her or Casey's parents about what happened to him, maybe plan to visit Gregg and Angus in Bright Harbor or go on a road trip with Bea, so I think there's hopeful hints that she's going to keep working things out. It might be neat to see how she's doing a year down the line. edit2: wait already made that point. Dolash fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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she mentions to Gregg she was so hosed up at college she didn't even come home for longest night stuff, just laid in her dorm room. Dunno what she did during summer
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Does Mae talk about the same sort of thing if you do all the Gregg hangouts as if you do all the Bea hangouts? I need to do a second run through the game, but the first was kinda emotionally impactful and I need some time to scab over.
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I was kinda glad that at the end that they didn't reveal that Bea's dad was one of the cultists (or the main guy chasing Mae). He seems like he would have been a prime candidate after his wife died and he slid into depression. It would have been a real downer to have that kind of twist. Frankly, I think the game sidesteps the whole response to the missing cult members to have its cake and eat it, too. There are families whose fathers won't be coming home thanks to our gang. Sure, they were a mob of murderers, but it's still sad.
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Is there something that makes people think the creepy dude isn't Mae's aunt? I figured that's what we were supposed to assume once his hat comes off at the end and you get the silhouette of a cat that has the same hair style as Mae's mom. You don't see her at all during the final day, granted you don't see her every day but still.
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symbolic posted:As someone turning 20 soon, the dialogue and characters are really hitting close to home hard, as is the setting. I've been waiting two years for this game and it was well worth the wait so far.
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Macaluso posted:Is there something that makes people think the creepy dude isn't Mae's aunt? I figured that's what we were supposed to assume once his hat comes off at the end and you get the silhouette of a cat that has the same hair style as Mae's mom. You don't see her at all during the final day, granted you don't see her every day but still. The main things that make me think no are that a) Molly doesn't have a notch in her ear, and b) as far as I can tell the cultists were identified as mostly dads and uncles, which points to them being mostly if not all male.
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Bell_ posted:I hit 20 that many years ago and it still hits close to home. The only way it could hit harder would be if I grew up in the rust belt too, but I guess folks are caught between gentrifying, shining cities and the desiccating small towns. The small city I'm from isn't hurting that bad but some stuff was still super relatable like driving out of your way to a nicer mall because you're bored and half the stores are closed.
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Macaluso posted:Is there something that makes people think the creepy dude isn't Mae's aunt? I figured that's what we were supposed to assume once his hat comes off at the end and you get the silhouette of a cat that has the same hair style as Mae's mom. You don't see her at all during the final day, granted you don't see her every day but still. Silhouette doesn't match Molly's at all. The cultist has notches in both ears and cheek fuzz/whiskers that she lacks. Also the aforementioned hints at the cult being mostly male (and I think some implying that that particular person in male, though I can't remember). Plus, you saw that cultist kidnap someone, and Molly shows up behind Mae while Mae's following that guy. I don't believe that the cult has the supernatural powers other people think they do (appearing out of the darkness is visual shorthand for coming out of hiding, it doesn't mean the guy teleported out of nowhere to attack Mae in the mines), so the chances of Molly somehow appearing behind Mae when Mae is chasing and possibly staring directly at her is... Unlikely. Even if she's a cultist, she's not that cultist. That said, the city council people or whoever I can totally see as probable cult members. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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I feel like a ton of questions will be answered in the sequel if there's one but now the only thing we can do is wait  I look forward to the full OST though.
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Alder posted:I feel like a ton of questions will be answered in the sequel if there's one but now the only thing we can do is wait
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other than the town's reaction to the ending I don't think there's really that much more that feels pressing to answer except for whether or not Lori had Thanksgiving dinner with Mae's family please tell me Scott
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Wowporn posted:other than the town's reaction to the ending I don't think there's really that much more that feels pressing to answer Just make the sequel's protagonist Lori actually
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Night on the Tracks smakc that greenlight button kickstart that poo poo
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I'm telling you guys, Scooby Doo mystery-solving team. Mae wants a road trip with Bea and/or to visit Angus and Gregg in Bright Harbour, travel around Hollow County hunting spooks and cultists. After all, Mae still needs a job and now she's got hands-on experience in a pretty rare field. More seriously though, looking from just what was in the game I think a sequel's pretty unlikely. Mae had a central struggle that tied together her mental state, the cult at the rotten heart of town, her relationships with her friends and family and basically everything else about her, and while she definitely has a lot of work left to do on that front we're already passed the big supernatural climax. I don't think it's impossible to make a good sequel, but the story doesn't really have a desperate need for one. I could see something like Lost Constellation/Longest Night, the little supplementary games the devs made over the course of developing NITW. Just in case they want to do a check-in on the cast after a year or something but don't need a whole new plotline to support it.
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Wowporn posted:other than the town's reaction to the ending I don't think there's really that much more that feels pressing to answer Yeah, the ending being how it is feels sort of the point, to me. There aren't easy solutions to the problems plaguing Mae, her friends, or the town as a whole, and wrapping up all that conclusively would feel cheap or depressing, depending on how it was done. Especially given how closely it mirrors people's real experiences. Meanwhile, things like what exactly is up with all the supernatural stuff and whether it was real or just Mae being unwell and the cultists being desperate and, you know, cultists don't really matter that much. Like, if the old god in the mines or whatever isn't just a hallucination, it's still not bringing back the jobs that left Possum Springs; I highly doubt that it's going to undo factory automation or make coal profitable again, no matter how many people are thrown into that hole. The thematic aspects of that and such are more important, and not only does it not need to be answered explicitly, I kind of don't think it should be. And yeah, I doubt the game will get a direct sequel. As much as I love it and the characters I'm not sure it needs one, either. (Though I am looking forward to the patch to fix up those last achievements and maybe add in a final scene with Germ, since a big one with him apparently got cut despite basically being complete.) Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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kidcoelacanth posted:e: I've been listening to this all day. I'm so ready for fan covers/music to keep dropping. And also the official OST at some point. I found this one and I'm pretty sure this band owns. One thing I'll say about the ending is that a straightforward thematic reading--the cultists as a metaphor for austerity measures literally sacrificing the health, well-being, and actual lives of poor people who rely on social services in an attempt to preserve a world and a way of life that is dying and will never ever come back, the Black Goat as a representation of hopelessness and nihilism and the creeping sense of dread and suffocating economic anxiety that has been the dominant mood of this last decade--is going to be a lot more coherent than any attempt to interpret those scenes in terms of literal plot beats. The supernatural aspect is important for the reasons Mae lays out when she discusses Lori and the weird teens during the epilogue, and structurally it's a way to give the story a direct antagonist and an actual ending, but I think getting too hung up on it is kind of missing the point. Opposing Farce fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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According to Scott, this podcast does a deep dive on thematic stuff, I'm gonna give it a listen https://twitter.com/bombsfall/status/838998701649514497 Edit: The podcast was good! It picked on some interesting mechanical things about how your choices change your perception of the town. hioly shti https://twitter.com/tdtbaa/status/838893607767658496 (if you dig the game deffo follow @bombsfall ) Sushi in Yiddish fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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i don't think molly is part of the cult, rather she did the exact same thing mae did at some point while being a police officer and actually agreed with what the cult did and left them alone instead.
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anime was right posted:i don't think molly is part of the cult, rather she did the exact same thing mae did at some point while being a police officer and actually agreed with what the cult did and left them alone instead. I think this makes a lot of sense. She was near obsessed with making sure that Mae was out of trouble and off the streets. Could be she knew what happened to those who the cult deemed "unmissable."
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Could someone fill me in on this? I feel like I'm missing a joke here. Macaluso posted:It's Garfield eatenmyeyes fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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eatenmyeyes posted:Could someone fill me in on this? I feel like I'm missing a joke here. It's Garfield
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