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BULBASAUR posted:That better be 500 cult levies as discussed in the slack 500 Cult levies wouldn't be a LoW  (Pls grant me access to the slack tia my PMs are open and accepting)
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Mar 7, 2017 08:27
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The Sisko posted:
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Mar 7, 2017 08:30
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Sisko's painting has come along so much in the last two years. I really love the color palette he's using. Looking ace dude.quote:
Grey Slayers? Worse than breachers. SW players still deep in the salt mines. BULBASAUR fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Mar 7, 2017 19:13
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So with people in the 40k thread talking about how much more balanced and generally good 30k is: Which legion would be the easiest to buy for, theoretically, if I hated working with resin and wanted to avoid it as much as possible?
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Mar 7, 2017 19:34
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:So with people in the 40k thread talking about how much more balanced and generally good 30k is: Which legion would be the easiest to buy for, theoretically, if I hated working with resin and wanted to avoid it as much as possible? Death Guard lend themselves pretty well to blobs of infantry, as do Space Wolves (who just got rules in the most recent book), but most legions have totally workable builds centered around the contents of the plastic boxed sets. What kind of army do you generally like to play?
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Mar 7, 2017 19:50
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I do like the sound of big blobs of infantry. Being up close and fighting in melee would be a lot of fun too. Fluffwise, my picks would be Iron Warriors, Blood Angels or Alpha Legion, if that swings it one way or the other.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:55
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:So with people in the 40k thread talking about how much more balanced and generally good 30k is: Which legion would be the easiest to buy for, theoretically, if I hated working with resin and wanted to avoid it as much as possible? Calth and Prospero are your main sources of plastic, so vets/terminators/vanilla tacticals are likely going to be your core. There's a lot of legions that are happy with that- Night Lords, Imperial Fists, Space Wolves, Iron Warriors and Death Guard are all likely candidates. Additionally, rhinos, land raiders, speeders and legion artillery can all come over from 40k, so you have some support and transport options that can be mostly plastic with maybe some resin weapon options. The main army styles you be cut off from are assault marines, bikes/jetbikes and lots of flyers.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:58
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Okay first things first. Grey Slayers cost the same as marines and we trade out boltguns for ccw so we are essentially despoilers and that's great if you wanted that. But as your only Troops they are incredibly restrictive. Pale Hunters gives hit and run to only your power armoured Troops it's also not even hit and run. It's 2d6 unlike the white scars 3d6 one, and since wolves actually don't have go specialist units that benefit from it it's not exactly super useful. Hit and run is really strong on deathstars in fact it's broken as hell there but our deathstars have no access to it. And being barred from the best units available to legions doesn't seem like a strong rite of war. Like space wolves look tons of good until you realise that everything is loaded with restrictions that make trying to.combine rules or use synergy next to worthless. There is no generalship that makes the difference here.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:16
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Alright, I'll bite-- In reality, how good are Space Wolves? All of these quotes from other forums have me wondering.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:56
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BULBASAUR posted:AWUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Runfyre, is that you? Gyro Zeppeli, World Eaters could also apply to you, especially if you like the idea of hurling giant blobs of infantry into other blobs of infantry in close combat. However, to be really nasty, you would probably want to get a Spartan Assault Tank eventually, to deliver those 20+ man squads into combat, and it is all resin. However, you could hold off on that for a while, and it really isn't too bad of a kit.
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Mar 7, 2017 21:22
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World Eaters and Death Guard both did seem cool until I realized: Entire army painted white. Even the idea of that is making me scream internally.
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Mar 7, 2017 21:29
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Play Night Lords. Cool paint scheme and good rules that work nicely with outnumbering your opponent (i.e., smash big blobs of guys together). Sons of Horus are real good too and get a similar buff.
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Mar 7, 2017 21:34
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ThNextGreenLantern posted:Alright, I'll bite-- In reality, how good are Space Wolves? All of these quotes from other forums have me wondering. Space wolves are great. One of the best primarchs, two decent rites of war, and grey slayers are a phenomenal troops choice. They're a little rigid in that you're heavily incentivized to take large blobs of slayers and you can't take some popular rites of war, but they're very very good at the game they want to play.
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Mar 7, 2017 21:35
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tallkidwithglasses posted:Calth and Prospero are your main sources of plastic, so vets/terminators/vanilla tacticals are likely going to be your core. There's a lot of legions that are happy with that- Night Lords, Imperial Fists, Space Wolves, Iron Warriors and Death Guard are all likely candidates. Additionally, rhinos, land raiders, speeders and legion artillery can all come over from 40k, so you have some support and transport options that can be mostly plastic with maybe some resin weapon options. The main army styles you be cut off from are assault marines, bikes/jetbikes and lots of flyers. mk7 power armor was introduced during the horus heresy after the fall of mars. you could use standard plastic marines in both loyalist and traitor legions and easily hand wave it with a fluff reason. additionally, if your opponent raises a stink about it, tell him to gently caress off
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Mar 7, 2017 21:37
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ThNextGreenLantern posted:Alright, I'll bite-- In reality, how good are Space Wolves? All of these quotes from other forums have me wondering. Some B&C Sperg Wrote posted:Unfortunetly Space wolves ended up were I feared the most. Mediocre. They have a lot of structural issues, that either require allies to fix (which they have outright disallowed in terms of legions, and have really poor allegiance levels with everyone else), or playing the army in only one fashion.
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Mar 7, 2017 21:48
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:mk7 power armor was introduced during the horus heresy after the fall of mars. you could use standard plastic marines in both loyalist and traitor legions and easily hand wave it with a fluff reason. additionally, if your opponent raises a stink about it, tell him to gently caress off I don't care if it makes me "that guy" or not, but I wouldn't regularly play with someone that just straight uses a 40k army in 30k. A lot of the enjoyment I get from the game is seeing a battlefield of goofy old throwback stuff and 30k marines in plastic are really cheap and accessible at this point. I don't mind if you're just getting started and have some 40k guys you're planning on mixing into units later as you expand, but I wouldn't play you if you just brought your 40k dark angels and never intended to Heresy-era them.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:02
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Eat my fucc play with the Space Barbies you like.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:04
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tallkidwithglasses posted:I don't care if it makes me "that guy" or not, but I wouldn't regularly play with someone that just straight uses a 40k army in 30k. A lot of the enjoyment I get from the game is seeing a battlefield of goofy old throwback stuff and 30k marines in plastic are really cheap and accessible at this point. I don't mind if you're just getting started and have some 40k guys you're planning on mixing into units later as you expand, but I wouldn't play you if you just brought your 40k dark angels and never intended to Heresy-era them.  how nice for you
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Mar 7, 2017 22:10
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panascope posted:Eat my fucc play with the Space Barbies you like. The correct response.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:12
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I'd actually prefer to use Mk3/4 because, due to the influx of ebay sellers breaking the BaC/BoP boxes for sale, the price of Mk3/4 marines right now is lower than regular 40k marines. Plus, in my eyes at least, they look cooler than Mk7.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:24
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tallkidwithglasses posted:I don't care if it makes me "that guy" or not, but I wouldn't regularly play with someone that just straight uses a 40k army in 30k. A lot of the enjoyment I get from the game is seeing a battlefield of goofy old throwback stuff and 30k marines in plastic are really cheap and accessible at this point. I don't mind if you're just getting started and have some 40k guys you're planning on mixing into units later as you expand, but I wouldn't play you if you just brought your 40k dark angels and never intended to Heresy-era them. loving finally, someone who gets it. See, there is an indisputable fact about 30k: it's the historic wargame version of the more casual 40k. You don't play a historic wargame with tanks and infantry from the wrong generation or country "just because it was cheaper to buy". It's the same with the Horus Heresy. Every time you field a mars rhino, a Phobos land raider or mark 7 armour you are destroying the game. You are literally the cancer that devours our community. And the worst part is, you are doing it willingly. With Calth and Prospero you were given an olive branch, a benevolent entry ticket to the world of 30k. And as a newcomer you ought to learn about the community you are joining before you start running off your mouth. And you know, I think we are a good, reasonable bunch, us 30k'ers. We can understand that, maybe, you need some placeholders. Maybe you need some more time to think about your army, or to hang on until your next pay check to make that Forge World order. And that's fine! Even though it diminishes the game, that's fine! It's when you make the willing choice to use those models as permanent components to your army that you desecrate the game. You make us all dirty, and frankly I see no reason to entertain someone who disrespects me and my community.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:24
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panascope posted:Eat my fucc play with the Space Barbies you like. Unless they are Iron Hands or Admech
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Mar 7, 2017 22:25
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BULBASAUR posted:Unless they are Iron Hands or Admech Yeah now you're getting it.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:27
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We all draw our lines somewhere. For me, I'd prefer not to play against a 40k army. For panascope, he doesn't want to play lovingly modeled counts as iron hands.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:32
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tallkidwithglasses posted:We all draw our lines somewhere. For me, I'd prefer not to play against a 40k army. For panascope, he doesn't want to play lovingly modeled counts as iron hands. More seriously, I agree. I would not say no, but ehhh it takes out a lot of the atmosphere of 30k.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:40
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I'm using armor marks to mark different units. MkII - Vets, seekers MkIII - Breachers, support squads, heavy support squads, destroyers MkIV - Tacticals, assault squads, and whatever else isn't available in II or III like bikers, etc. (Please release plastic MkII.  Please. I need so many veterans.)However, I'm pretty lenient on characters since I figure if they have artificer armor, that poo poo could be anything. For example, I've got a librarian in MkVI with a MkII/III backpack. All that said, I don't care what my opponents use. If they want to run plastic rhinos and mix some MkVII into their units because it's what they have, no big deal. I don't expect anyone else to conform to my own standards. I recognize that I'm the crazy one.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:40
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horus heresy 005.m31-014.m31 schism of mars 005.m31-006.m31 quote:Mark VII armour, also known as the “Aquila,” “Imperator” or “Eagle” armour, was developed during the Horus Heresy, and remains in use as the most common form of power armour ten thousand years later. It represents the final major development of Mark 6 armour. 9 years is plenty of time for contingents of marines to be supplied with mk7 armor. if you refuse to play with someone because they use marines from the standard 40k kits, youre just being an elitist prick for no actual justifiable reason
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Mar 7, 2017 22:49
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Mango Polo posted:More seriously, I agree. I would not say no, but ehhh it takes out a lot of the atmosphere of 30k. Yeah this is pretty much my unironic position, with the additional caveat that I am fortunate to live in an area with a pretty active scene and I have limited personal time to play games, so I tend to schedule with people who I think have cool armies and an all-40k army just wouldn't make the cut most of the time.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:50
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Mango Polo posted:loving finally, someone who gets it. Couldn't have put it better. Poors please leave.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:52
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tallkidwithglasses posted:I don't care if it makes me "that guy" or not, but I wouldn't regularly play with someone that just straight uses a 40k army in 30k. A lot of the enjoyment I get from the game is seeing a battlefield of goofy old throwback stuff and 30k marines in plastic are really cheap and accessible at this point. I don't mind if you're just getting started and have some 40k guys you're planning on mixing into units later as you expand, but I wouldn't play you if you just brought your 40k dark angels and never intended to Heresy-era them. How about something like my Salamanders? Those guys are so old the Heresy hadn't been invented when they were released (with the exception of a handful of 2nd ed guys) 
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Mar 7, 2017 22:59
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Zark the Damned posted:How about something like my Salamanders? Those guys are so old the Heresy hadn't been invented when they were released (with the exception of a handful of 2nd ed guys) Those are incredibly my poo poo. It's like the definition of "goofy throwback" stuff.
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Mar 7, 2017 23:05
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So I'm wanting to play Iron Hands. Definitely getting some of the plastic mk3 and mk4 armored guys. For my tank options, what does it take to 30k-ize the 40k tanks?
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Mar 7, 2017 23:30
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chutche2 posted:So I'm wanting to play Iron Hands. Definitely getting some of the plastic mk3 and mk4 armored guys. For my tank options, what does it take to 30k-ize the 40k tanks? Rhinos, Land Raiders and Land Speeders basically existed in their current 40k form during the Heresy too. So nothing, really.
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Mar 7, 2017 23:33
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Rhinos, Land Raiders and Land Speeders basically existed in their current 40k form during the Heresy too. So nothing, really. Alright. So I don't currently own any space marine stuff, I'm starting from scratch. Interested in buying stuff with both 40k and 30k in mind, but I'm fine picking up a few things I'll use in one but not the other. What kind of 30k-specific vehicles might I want to look into for an Iron Hands force? I like mechanized infantry backed up by tanks, used to be a Guard player that ran armored fist squads with leman russ support. I definitely want to get the look right, now that I see it's an option I'm going to be mainly using mk3 and 4 armored marines, with a bit of mk 2, 5, and 6 sprinkled in to represent replacements and older maintained stuff. Also, not really interested in lords of war. chutche2 fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Mar 7, 2017 23:42
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The main issue with building marines for both 30k and 40k is armament. Example 30k marine loadouts: Tactical squad. 20x marines with bolters. They can't take heavy or special weapons. Tactical support squad. 10x marines with a special weapon. Even the sergeant has one. They all have to be armed identically. Heavy support squad. 10x marines, as above but with heavy instead of special weapons.
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Mar 7, 2017 23:48
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TTerrible posted:The main issue with building marines for both 30k and 40k is armament. Example 30k marine loadouts: Yeah that's fine. I don't mind having to buy a few extra for special weapons and heavy weapons for the differences between the systems. The holes in the squad lineup where there should be a special weapon or heavy weapon can just be filled by a resin mk2 armor trooper or whatever. So that in 40k the squad might be 10 dudes in mk4 armor with a special and heavy weapon, in 30k it's 8 dudes in mk4 and 2 in mk2, or maybe mk5 or 6.. Since I plan on being mechanized I don't imagine using 20 man squads much? I'm not going to paint on squad designations that lock me into setups or anything. Would there be much issue running Gorgon pattern armor as standard terminator armor in 40k? chutche2 fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Mar 8, 2017 |
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Mar 7, 2017 23:52
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So I just ordered one of each of the propsero and calth marine sprues, 10 marines each, to start out. Are they compatible with the regular 40k special weapon bits? And where should I look for stuff like 30k volkites, and 40k grav weaponry?
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Mar 8, 2017 02:33
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Whoever designed Ferrus' backpack and the convoluted way to assemble it can burn in hell. 2 hours and 3 pins.
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So I just cleaned up my Lightning and I'm going to start gluing it up tomorrow. Is there anything I can do to reinforce the wings? I suspect they will take a fair bit of stress, and while it has a recess/rabbet sort of connection it's minor and the wings are far too thin to pin. I'll planning to put a thin bead of green stuff across the whole joint but I'm still concerned that they are going to snap off with minimal impact.
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