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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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namesake posted:It's because everyone to the left of Angela Merkel gets described as leftwing by at least one newspaper so from a societal level it's literally true than no one knows (or agrees) what it means. e: 1930 - Mao Zedong's second wife is executed because of grammar schools. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Einstein was a socialist too.
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Mar 7, 2017 12:21
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u mean (((Einstein)))
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Mar 7, 2017 12:23
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Pochoclo posted:Just loving lol at Corbyn being called "left wing extremist" by anyone. To many, Left wing is extreme. When they're not Palling around with terrorists theyre taking money from strivers and giving it to skivers!
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Mar 7, 2017 12:25
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It's amazing how everywhere in the world, you can see a lot of people hating on social benefits programs. Hatred of the poors brings the poors together, apparently.
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Mar 7, 2017 12:44
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Jippa posted:Top quality disabled/rape bantz in the ukmt, gbs would be proud. Imagine if he had some thing even vaguely controversial. I long for the halcyon days of hentai chat in the UKMT
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Mar 7, 2017 12:46
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Stephen Hawking may not be an expert on politics, but he knows a thing or two about black holes and corbyn's leadership is a black hole.
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Mar 7, 2017 13:07
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Corbyn is attempting to turn Labour's vote share into a singularity.
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Mar 7, 2017 13:07
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Stephen Hawking is wrong about AI imo.
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Mar 7, 2017 13:09
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big scary monsters posted:Stephen Hawking is wrong about AI imo. Yeah, I'm solidly unconvinced by the arguments.
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Mar 7, 2017 13:16
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We're going to drive ourselves to extinction long before we can program a robot to do it for us.
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Mar 7, 2017 13:19
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someonen suggest a good anime plks
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Mar 7, 2017 13:19
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I just got this as a promoted post thing: I'm not sure what it is, looks like one of those things they use to generate analytic profiles as were alleged to be used in the referendum and US election. I took a quick look and the questions are along the lines of "how worried about a terror attack against the country/you" and "how worried are you about being injured in a car crash" followed by four brain-teaser/Bayesian statistical riddles, so it seems fairly transparent what narrative they're trying to push, followed by a survey which is just "Are Muslims encrypting immigrants on the dark webs?" type stuff, but 3 and 8 are the same. 
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Mar 7, 2017 13:19
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6 out of 8 of those options are completely and utterly idiotic on a fundamental level, but somehow from what you said I get the impression that most people don't pick the duplicate one. Hurrah for the great and glorious public.
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Mar 7, 2017 13:37
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Looke posted:someonen suggest a good anime plks BoJo's Bizarre Adventure Fisting the Northern Goodbye to the NHS Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Mar 7, 2017 13:38
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Some good news for once. The UK is the third best country in the world.
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Mar 7, 2017 13:41
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Pissflaps posted:Some good news for once. The UK is the third best country in the world. It's a crap methodology, better description would be "How do (mainly) Americans feel about various countries". Germany dropped below the UK because of the terror attack(s, but only one was significant) and refugees, which IMO doesn't make the country that much worse.
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Mar 7, 2017 13:47
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Looke posted:someonen suggest a good anime plks One punch man Mob Psycho 100 Jojo's bizarre adventure Gundam: The origin That's about it for me this season.
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Mar 7, 2017 13:52
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I don't agree with Stephen Hawking on a lot of things, but I think there's a point to be made in that 'allowed himself be seen as a left wing extremist' is at least somewhat valid because that's part of Corbyn's messaging. I mean part of his appeal to the Momentum crowd is that he's so left wing that he's hated by at least 85% of Labour MPs. If you believe, as most people do outside this thread, that Labour is a left wing party, this kinda makes him the definition of a left-wing extremist. If someone was aiming to place himself as too right wing for 85% of the Tories, I don't think it's exactly unjust for the media to call him a right wing extremist.
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Mar 7, 2017 13:53
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Pissflaps posted:Some good news for once. The UK is the third best country in the world. This is fantastic news and should strengthen the hand of other politicians wishing to leave the eu
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Mar 7, 2017 13:55
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Looke posted:someonen suggest a good anime plks Sakamoto
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Mar 7, 2017 13:56
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Pissflaps posted:Some good news for once. The UK is the third best country in the world. The "criteria" (more like lack of such) is such enormous bullshit that I don't even know where to begin. Looking at some more reasonable indexes like Gini and WTBB and such it's pretty clear that places like Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, and Germany score higher on all counts. Switzerland is not out of place near the top of the list though. The UK remains a very nice place to live, but saying it's #3 is bullshit.
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Mar 7, 2017 14:00
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Pochoclo posted:The "criteria" (more like lack of such) is such enormous bullshit that I don't even know where to begin. You're a bit rude.
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Mar 7, 2017 14:02
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Fangz posted:I don't agree with Stephen Hawking on a lot of things, but I think there's a point to be made in that 'allowed himself be seen as a left wing extremist' is at least somewhat valid because that's part of Corbyn's messaging. [b]I mean part of his appeal to the Momentum crowd is that he's so left wing that he's hated by at least 85% of Labour MPs. If you believe, as most people do outside this thread, that Labour is a left wing party, this kinda makes him the definition of a left-wing extremist. If someone was aiming to place himself as too right wing for 85% of the Tories, I don't think it's exactly unjust for the media to call him a right wing extremist.[b] This is a pretty weak appeal to relativism; the PLP being stuffed with centrists doesn't magically make regular left wing politics "extreme" whereas the Tory PP is full of actual right wingers, not centrists, so being to the right of 85% of them would definitely be pretty extreme.
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Mar 7, 2017 14:03
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Looke posted:someonen suggest a good anime plks Keijo!!!!!!!! (don't forget the !!!!!!!! it's part of the title)
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Mar 7, 2017 14:05
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Private Speech posted:6 out of 8 of those options are completely and utterly idiotic on a fundamental level, but somehow from what you said I get the impression that most people don't pick the duplicate one. Who is that even for? Smug 'rationalists' who like to use the word sheeple unironically? Internet nerdlords who think all social problems can be solved with badly-applied Bayes? Or is it genuinely trying to prove a link between authoritarian silliness and innumeracy? If it's the latter, what are they then proposing we do? Move away from authoritarian methods because they're logically unsound even though it will make the Express scream? Or replace statistics in schools with Goveathonics for Academies so that more people will be on board with those kind of measures? Or (more likely) just selling that data to anyone that wants to push for either of those.
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Mar 7, 2017 14:05
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Pissflaps posted:You're a bit rude. Like millions of emigrants, he'd rather live here than anywhere else. If that doesn't make us number one I don't know what does.
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Mar 7, 2017 14:11
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They come here for the tolerant friendly people, the cheap housing and the bountiful job market.
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Mar 7, 2017 14:19
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Don't blame me, I voted for Robot Lenin
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Mar 7, 2017 14:20
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Regarde Aduck posted:They come here for the tolerant friendly people, the cheap housing and the bountiful job market. Two out of three isn't bad, especially when you consider the high cost of housing is in part a function of our popularity.
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Mar 7, 2017 14:22
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Pissflaps posted:Stephen Hawking? He's just a 'science man'. gently caress his opinion. About politics, or indeed anything else other than theoretical physics? Yes, pretty much. The AI thing has been brought up. I am an actual, working, real-life computer programmer and I don't expect to see strong AI in my lifetime. I am confident that I know better than Stephen Hawking on this topic, because it's what I've spent my life doing while he's been doing physics stuff. High intelligence is nice but it only gets you so far on any given topic without actual experience and hard graft.
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Mar 7, 2017 14:27
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Lord of the Llamas posted:This is a pretty weak appeal to relativism; the PLP being stuffed with centrists doesn't magically make regular left wing politics "extreme" whereas the Tory PP is full of actual right wingers, not centrists, so being to the right of 85% of them would definitely be pretty extreme. Relativism is literally the correct approach to maters of left and right; centre and extreme;. If you disagree, there's a simple experiment; Balance on your toes and lean too far from your centre, so you fall over. Use a GPS to measure the exact point that was 'too far'. Post on social media warning people if they ever go North of that point you measured, they too will fall over. Corbyn has pretty clearly fallen over. And that has nothing to do with where he stood in absolute terms, only the fact that, in this analogy, he doesn't quite get how his limbs work.
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Mar 7, 2017 14:30
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feedmegin posted:About politics, or indeed anything else other than theoretical physics? Yes, pretty much. The AI thing has been brought up. I am an actual, working, real-life computer programmer and I don't expect to see strong AI in my lifetime. I am confident that I know better than Stephen Hawking on this topic, because it's what I've spent my life doing while he's been doing physics stuff. High intelligence is nice but it only gets you so far on any given topic without actual experience and hard graft. My point was that dismissing somebody's opinion because they're a 'science man', and using such a term to disparage them, is foolish.
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Mar 7, 2017 14:30
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Pissflaps posted:My point was that dismissing somebody's opinion because they're a 'science man', and using such a term to disparage them, is foolish. it stinks of a kind of Trump-ian anti-intellectualism combined with mocking disability it starts to look like a pattern
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Mar 7, 2017 14:33
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Some nice hoops people are jumping through trying to refute the worlds smartest man
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Mar 7, 2017 14:35
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radmonger posted:Relativism is literally the correct approach to maters of left and right; centre and extreme;. If you disagree, there's a simple experiment; Balance on your toes and lean too far from your centre, so you fall over. Use a GPS to measure the exact point that was 'too far'. what the hell even is this post
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Mar 7, 2017 14:38
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Pissflaps posted:I heard that lemsip, honey and a big glug of whisky is efficacious though being tee total I haven't had it myself. lol you've been soberposting all these years 
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Mar 7, 2017 14:44
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I mean, Hawking knows best about every subject because he's the smartest man alive, so let's just make him God Emperor of the world?
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Mar 7, 2017 14:46
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You don't need to be a super smart politics man or even a science man to see that Corbyn has good politics but is a disaster of a leader. I don't see how anyone can find what Hawking said disagreeable, especially since that's been the general consensus here for a while. The problem is finding someone with both good politics and the leadership skills to overcome the lovely situation Labour is in, since most of the PLP have neither. And yes, the media are obviously massively against Corbyn, but any Labour leader to the left of David Cameron is going to face that in this day and age, and unless you're planning on completely abandoning the democratic route to socialism, then we need to go d a leader who can deal with that effectively. I don't think it's impossible. Look at Bernie Sanders, the guy consistently beat his right wing adversaries in the opinion polls in a country far more averse to socialism than ours, which as Pissflaps likes to point out is something Corbyn has failed to do. Too bad his party went with a candidate that everyone knew was unpopular with voters. Labour should do the same imho.
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Miftan posted:I mean, Hawking knows best about every subject because he's the smartest man alive, so let's just make him God Emperor of the world? How about we accept that he has an opinion and his background in science neither makes him the final arbiter on all subjects nor a 'science man' idiot who should be ignored.
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