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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
| Total: | 510 votes | ||
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Person who likes science before becoming scientist: Science is about possibilities and expanding human knowledge!!!!!!! Person who is now a scientist: Science is about what we can't do. Everything exciting breaks a law of physics. Hope is a lie.
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Regarde Aduck posted:He'll be writing 5000 word polemics about why the EM-drive could never work and how we're never leaving this planet and how truly awe inspiring it is that we're all going to live meaningless lives in a universe destined for heat death before you know it.
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Mar 7, 2017 18:04
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Fangz posted:Facebook's claim is that the images they did not remove were both not illegal and not against their terms of use. It seems wholly illogical to report the BBC to the police for sending those images to them, then. It's all a bit more complex than that. CSPs in the UK (and by extension any company doing business as a CSP in the UK) can sign up to a memorandum of understanding with the Home Office whereby they and their staff gain limited immunity from prosecution for possession of illegal data (not just CAI) as long as they follow a very specific set of policies and processes when handling the data. If someone sends you a bunch of files and says "Hey these are child porn" you don't open them, you activate that policy and it gets sent to Plod who make the assessment. The situation for reporting abusive pages is slightly more involved than that (because of course Plod don't want to be outsourced content filters for all of Facebook, and I don't think anyone in the world wants that either). Having said all that, FB are notoriously poor at removing CAI trading groups even when the authorities themselves report them, and at last somebody's had the balls to call them out on it in public.
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Mar 7, 2017 18:07
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Breath Ray posted:What if the links hadn't worked just as well, eg if the pictures had been deleted -- or could have been claimed not to link to anything by fb? Lol if you think *anything* gets deleted by Facebook.
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Mar 7, 2017 18:08
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Guavanaut posted:Living a life without inherent meaning can be fun or awe inspiring if you take the right approach to it. We believe in nussing Lebowski. Nussing!
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Mar 7, 2017 18:12
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Lol if you think *anything* gets deleted by Facebook. If only the pedophiles called Cathy Brennan a fake goth.
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Mar 7, 2017 18:26
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Regarde Aduck posted:Person who likes science before becoming scientist: Science is about possibilities and expanding human knowledge!!!!!!!
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Mar 7, 2017 18:27
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Similarly, we can't reform the EU, but we can leave it so it collapses within five years and frees 100s of millions of people from its cruel yoke.
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Mar 7, 2017 18:38
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Jeza posted:We believe in nussing Lebowski. Nussing! But of course no one has said anything like this -- because there are no nihilists. The confrontation at the bowling alley at the end of Big Lebowski summarizes ethical philosophy at the end of the twentieth century: brainless Americans confronting even stupider Germans, one of whom brandishes his great-grandfather's cavalry saber, a slapstick relic of the mad daring with which the Europeans entered the twentieth century. The Germans mouth nihilist cliches ("Ve beliefs in nossink!"), while the Americans say simply "What's mine is mine!" The Americans win because they, at least, mean what they say: their chump change is theirs, and they'll fight to the death for it. The Germans don't even understand, let alone mean, their nihilist bluster; they are "laughable, man!" as the Jesus-Man would put it, their claims merely a cover for their pitiful state as parasites on the culture which wrested the world away from them. It's not that they believe in nothing; they ARE nothing.
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Mar 7, 2017 18:42
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Evil evil EU, turning a bunch of disparate broken states into the most prosperous (for the average inhabitant) region on Earth through unprecedented cooperation and colluding into the most powerful trading block ever. How dare it.
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Mar 7, 2017 18:45
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Pochoclo posted:Evil evil EU, turning a bunch of disparate broken states into the most prosperous (for the average inhabitant) region on Earth through unprecedented cooperation and colluding into the most powerful trading block ever. How dare it. And then using that economic clout to the detriment of weaker trading partners while also erecting serious barriers to entry for those worst affected by this strategy, as well as awful internal settlement policies leading to smugglers and The Jungle in Calais as well as the disappearance of thousands of child refugees. It's not all sunshine mate. Edit: Not even starting on the internal market restriction implications and the Euro. namesake fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Mar 7, 2017 18:48
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namesake posted:And then using that economic clout to the detriment of weaker trading partners while also erecting serious barriers to entry for those worst affected by this strategy, as well as awful internal settlement policies leading to smugglers and The Jungle in Calais as well as the disappearance of thousands of child refugees. 
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Mar 7, 2017 18:55
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namesake posted:And then using that economic clout to the detriment of weaker trading partners while also erecting serious barriers to entry for those worst affected by this strategy, as well as awful internal settlement policies leading to smugglers and The Jungle in Calais as well as the disappearance of thousands of child refugees. The refugee stuff is more about the EU not behaving as a union though, acting like it's a private issue for each individual country to deal with and too bad if you're on the EU border. If they'd actually developed an EU-wide system to process and relocate refugees and put resources in place where they're needed then it would have gone a lot better. I don't really think making that separation official would improve things
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Mar 7, 2017 19:09
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namesake posted:And then using that economic clout to the detriment of weaker trading partners while also erecting serious barriers to entry for those worst affected by this strategy, as well as awful internal settlement policies leading to smugglers and The Jungle in Calais as well as the disappearance of thousands of child refugees. It's still better than war, which we've managed to avoid in Europe for 72 years. The EU is by no means perfect and it does need reform, but it's far better than the alternative.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:28
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Is that the only alternative you can think of?
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Mar 7, 2017 19:33
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Baron Corbyn posted:And yes, the media are obviously massively against Corbyn, but any Labour leader to the left of David Cameron is going to face that in this day and age, and unless you're planning on completely abandoning the democratic route to socialism, then we need to go d a leader who can deal with that effectively. I don't think it's impossible. Look at Bernie Sanders, the guy consistently beat his right wing adversaries in the opinion polls in a country far more averse to socialism than ours, which as Pissflaps likes to point out is something Corbyn has failed to do. Too bad his party went with a candidate that everyone knew was unpopular with voters. Labour should do the same imho. Corbyn actually did better than Sanders i.e. he WON the Leadership contest. The problem was the Labour Parliamentary Labour party didn't like this and decided to undermine him from the start and challenge him again with another leadership contest which he won. In case you forgot Bernie Sanders did not win the democratic primary. Also Sanders got lots of TV coverage for over a year, including the numerous Televised Debates where the public could see him on TV live, uncut and unedited.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:33
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JFairfax posted:Corbyn actually did better than Sanders i.e. he WON the Leadership contest. Labour voters don't like it either.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:34
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Corbyn won two leadership contests and the PLP fought against him all the way. One of the things the Tories are great at doing is rallying around their leader. poo poo even the loving republicans are doing the same for Trump. the PLP are so loving thick that they didn't realise having an anti-establishment figure, with populist left wing policies was an assest and have worked to gently caress him over since that initial election result. Sanders' message was v. popular, Trump won - and the PLP thought 'what we need is someone like hilary clinton'
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Mar 7, 2017 19:38
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fridge corn posted:Surrey ftw Let's hope Corbyn is rapidly revising his next PMQs.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:42
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JFairfax posted:the PLP are so loving thick that they didn't realise having an anti-establishment figure, with populist left wing policies was an assest and have worked to gently caress him over since that initial election result. They got the alternative to somebody like Clinton and people don't want to vote for him and think he's poo poo. In what world is Corbyn an 'asset' he's a huge liability.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:44
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Pissflaps posted:They got the alternative to somebody like Clinton and people don't want to vote for him and think he's poo poo. Unfortunately we don't live in the universe where the PLP backed Corbyn from the start so speculation of how he would have done if they did is just that: speculation.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:46
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JFairfax posted:One of the things the Tories are great at doing is rallying around their leader.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:47
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jabby posted:Unfortunately we don't live in the universe where the PLP backed Corbyn from the start so speculation of how he would have done if they did is just that: speculation. Labour MPs pretending Corbyn isn't a liability wouldn't prevent him from being a liability. He is bad at his job and people don't like him. Your excuses for him and his performance are not credible.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:48
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LemonDrizzle posted:As demonstrated by the experiences of Thatcher, Major, and IDS. Thatcher enjoyed support for quite some time, I'm p. sure on that one. They learnt their lesson from Major + IDS, look how quickly they got on board with May.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:49
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fridge corn posted:I wonder what jeremy corbyns favourite anime is Fangz posted:sword art online This is practically libel. Also watch Gurren Lagann you bloody fools.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:51
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baka kaba posted:The refugee stuff is more about the EU not behaving as a union though, acting like it's a private issue for each individual country to deal with and too bad if you're on the EU border. If they'd actually developed an EU-wide system to process and relocate refugees and put resources in place where they're needed then it would have gone a lot better. I don't really think making that separation official would improve things Jedit posted:It's still better than war, which we've managed to avoid in Europe for 72 years. The EU is by no means perfect and it does need reform, but it's far better than the alternative. The EU was founded on and principally developed as a functioning market, not a functioning state. That was the priority and everything else was bodged, rushed or not even done. This is why the EU is bad. Even if it had properly built a European state and replaced individual nationalism with European nationalism it would still be bad because it would be acting more like the USA under a Democrat president but actually bordering Russia, it wouldn't help the poor or the non-European any more than now.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:54
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Government has lost another amendment to the article 50 bill, this time its a serious one, requiring a proper veto and vote on the final deal. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39200658 Expect a snap election to be called in weeks if the Lords don't back down, as that high a majority is not going to be turned around.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:00
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Brexit could be the biggest charitable reparation to Africa and the Levant in history, the biggest problem is that it had to be wrapped in 'Turkmen!' and 'Our Sovreignity!' to get it passed. The only articles I saw through the whole referendum campaign even talking about this angle outside of anarchist publications with readerships in the dozens was something about the CAP and knock on effects on sub-Saharan Africa by Zambian economist Dambisa Moyo, something in the back of the Graun from one of the two Lib-Dem Leave MPs, and a couple of pieces in ThisIsAfrica about how the EU operates a Eurocentric Neocolonial foreign trade policy. Even then I only found those through occasionally reading those publications, nothing like that came up in the mainstream debate. Even Lexit was mainly talking about how the EU is bad for the British left and British workers. They could even have lied, like they did about the money for the NHS, or Turkey joining before Euro 2020. They could have tugged at the heartstrings of daytime television watchers. "This is Thandi. She is 8. She doesn't have clean drinking water because the EU stole it all to wash Francois Hollande's filthy ballsack." But they didn't, it was entirely a campaign of Us! Our stuff! Control! Them! Bad!
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Mar 7, 2017 20:00
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Brexit Bill: Theresa May suffers second defeat in Lords as peers hand more power to MPs posted:The Government has suffered a second defeat in the House of Lords after peers backed a move to provide a "meaningful" vote on the final Brexit deal.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:03
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ukle posted:Government has lost another amendment to the article 50 bill, this time its a serious one, requiring a proper veto and vote on the final deal. Can the parliament act be used to defeat amendments ? Why would an election help?
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Mar 7, 2017 20:03
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Pissflaps posted:Can the parliament act be used to defeat amendments ? Why would an election help? It wouldn't to defeat the amendment, it'll help for when the actual vote on the deal comes around.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:06
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Looke posted:someonen suggest a good anime plks Kill la Kill: Gloriously stupid fun violence, lightning pace. Also aparently tits and rear end, but as a gay man I didn't pay attention to those Abenobashi Mahou Shoutengai: Light-hearted parodies of many genres with a surprisingly mature undertone/endine. Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha: Season 1 is a straightforward magical girl show, then it becomes magical warfare. Imagine a giant robot show, but the robots are people (with the destructive capability of a giant robot) Psycho-Pass: Theresa May's perfect britain talks about philosophy and makes Scanners look tame. Disappears up its own rear end a bit, but it's a nice rear end. Season 2 is bad, so is the movie. Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood (not the 2003 one): 62 episode masterpiece that doesn't overstay its welcome (looking at you, Bleach, Naruto, et cetera) Oh, and watch Paprika. It's Anime Inception except it came before Inception and is much better. There is a rape scene, though, so beware of that.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:06
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Pissflaps posted:Can the parliament act be used to defeat amendments ? Why would an election help? An election allows her to put into the Tory party manifesto the exact act she would pass. If her party then got a majority government she could then pass the act without the Lords having any say, as the Lords are under an agreement not to block anything that is passed as part of a parties manifesto. The issue is this just an agreement - if the Lords did try and amend it, they would then be forcing the end of the Lords as she would then have the power and 'mandate' to do so.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:08
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Why am I not surprised that there are so many earnest anime likers itt
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Mar 7, 2017 20:10
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The sooner the election comes the better. It'll be humiliating for labour but better to be working towards 2022 than 2025.fridge corn posted:Why am I not surprised that there are so many earnest anime likers itt I am not one of them.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:11
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Pissflaps posted:Can the parliament act be used to defeat amendments ? Why would an election help? The Commons can overturn the amendment, and then it would go back to the Lords and they could add it in again (hence ping pong). But it seems unlikely the Lords will keep pushing it if the Commons deletes the amendment (according to what I heard on the telly). Generally, the Lords are pretty big on the idea that they have a right to ask MPs to think again but they accept the Commons is boss. The issue is whether the fact that the Lords has done this encourages Tory rebels in the Commons to come out of the woodwork and join Labour MPs in voting to keep the amendment. My money's on no.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:13
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fridge corn posted:Why am I not surprised that there are so many earnest anime likers itt Obsessing over crude and hamfisted fictional depictions of reality and serious under and overtones of paedophilia and child rape are parts of British culture.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:13
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Pissflaps posted:Can the parliament act be used to defeat amendments ? Why would an election help? I believe the Lords can delay a bill by up to a year before the Parliament act can be invoked. After that it could be used to force it through unamended, but it would royally gently caress the timetable. More likely the Lords will cave rather than play ping-pong and be ripped to shreds in the right-wing press.
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