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Benning has said he won't even ask them to waive their NMC's so no, they can't, unless they go out of their way to ask him for a trade, and why would they do that? It would just damage their status with Vancouver fans, where they and their families live
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JawKnee posted:Benning has said he won't even ask them to waive their NMC's so no, they can't, unless they go out of their way to ask him for a trade, and why would they do that? It would just damage their status with Vancouver fans, where they and their families live Perhaps they'd like to win a cup. That might matter more to them than what the city of Vancouver thinks of them.
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JawKnee posted:Benning has said he won't even ask them to waive their NMC's so no, they can't, unless they go out of their way to ask him for a trade, and why would they do that? It would just damage their status with Vancouver fans, where they and their families live People had no problem with Burrows waiving his NTC. Sit the Twins down and explain that the rebuild is happening and the team would be open to moving them to a contender if they wish and I'm sure they'd think about it. There's no one that would begrudge the Sedins going for a cup elsewhere. Their legacy here is cemented, they're the two greatest players in franchise history and nothing short of a shooting spree is going to change that.
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Yeah I get that the Sedins have deep roots in Vancouver but i really can't imagine people giving them a hard time for making one last run somewhere while the Canucks are very clearly in tank/rebuild mode.
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Has there been any indication that the Canucks were looking to trade them? I haven't seen or heard anything, and Benning saying he wouldnt ask them to waive just confirms that.DJExile posted:Yeah I get that the Sedins have deep roots in Vancouver but i really can't imagine people giving them a hard time for making one last run somewhere while the Canucks are very clearly in tank/rebuild mode.
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Mar 7, 2017 21:01
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Spring Break My Heart posted:Has there been any indication that the Canucks were looking to trade them? I haven't seen or heard anything, and Benning saying he wouldnt ask them to waive just confirms that. Neither the team nor the Sedins gain anything by sticking around. They're not winning a cup in Vancouver, so unless they're really keen on going down with the ship it makes sense for them to go. It was never going to happen at the deadline, but the team should at least explore the possibility with them over the summer. No need to force them out as their return won't be great, but it's only fair to ask if they'd like to get into a life raft.
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Mar 7, 2017 21:05
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ThinkTank posted:People had no problem with Burrows waiving his NTC. Sit the Twins down and explain that the rebuild is happening and the team would be open to moving them to a contender if they wish and I'm sure they'd think about it. There's no one that would begrudge the Sedins going for a cup elsewhere. Their legacy here is cemented, they're the two greatest players in franchise history and nothing short of a shooting spree is going to change that. I'm sure this conversation has already happened
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Mar 7, 2017 21:07
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grack posted:I'm sure this conversation has already happened I mean a sensible person would think that, but then again Linden made it clear today that they haven't even begun negotiations on the Horvat extension.
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Mar 7, 2017 21:10
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Speaking of defence, an article about how cutting Weber's minutes has made him more effective since Julien took over Isn't he also using Markov less? Markov's still good but when he's tired he's pretty bad.
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Mar 7, 2017 21:31
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ThinkTank posted:People had no problem with Burrows waiving his NTC. Sit the Twins down and explain that the rebuild is happening and the team would be open to moving them to a contender if they wish and I'm sure they'd think about it. There's no one that would begrudge the Sedins going for a cup elsewhere. Their legacy here is cemented, they're the two greatest players in franchise history and nothing short of a shooting spree is going to change that. Did Burrows take the initiative on that? I had thought the club asked him to waive. I think people would accept the club asking them, and I think most would accept the Twins asking to be traded, but I also think the Sedins are smart enough to both recognize the clubs situation, and their own, and come to the conclusion that they could be traded. If they haven't indicated that they would like to do so yet, when will they?
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Whenever Sedins trade talk comes up, I wonder how they would fit in with the Rangers. They have a ton of experience with AV, and the Rangers are really deep at forward to the point that Grabner has scored 26 goals from the third line without power play time. Could you imagine them playing against a Habs or Sens fourth line? Sedins vs. Burrows or Ott? Yes, I'll be over here imagining the Sedins cycling the puck in circles around Burrows, like a game of "monkey in the middle."
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The Sedins used to play on a line with Burrows for years, I'm pretty sure he knows how their cycling works.
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Zodijackylite posted:Whenever Sedins trade talk comes up, I wonder how they would fit in with the Rangers. They have a ton of experience with AV, and the Rangers are really deep at forward to the point that Grabner has scored 26 goals from the third line without power play time. Could you imagine them playing against a Habs or Sens fourth line? Sedins vs. Burrows or Ott? They're yours! Hell, give us a 1st round pick and a decent prospect and we'll even take Girardi off your hands at the same time.
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Mar 7, 2017 21:52
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Suspicious posted:Isn't he also using Markov less? Markov's still good but when he's tired he's pretty bad. Markov-Weber is a D-pairing. So if one is getting decreased use, they're both getting decreased use. Also, fun fact about the Habs for all of HAS: Emelin got punted into a D-pairing with Nesterov, and is likely the 7th D for the game against the Canucks. https://twitter.com/JFChaumontJDM/status/839198870873714688 I'm not sure why, but the Habs D-pairings no longer look like absolute garbage. (We'll ignore the fact Ott is almost certainly a 4th liner for the remainder of this season).
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Spring Break My Heart posted:Hell, I remember when some Leafs fans gave Sundin poo poo for not waiving. Maybe it's just me but it seems like Canadian teams tend to create this loyalty in their franchise players that's counterproductive to both parties when they need to move on. Ryan Smith requested a trade from LA right before they won the cup so that he could go back to play in the tire fire. I don't quite remember the circumstances with Alfredson but I'm pretty sure there was some unnecessary animosity there when he ended up in Detroit as well.
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Call Your Grandma posted:Maybe it's just me but it seems like Canadian teams tend to create this loyalty in their franchise players Well, provided they have a winning complextion.
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Schlesische posted:I'm not sure why, but the Habs D-pairings no longer look like absolute garbage. If Steve Ott reached the level of "NHL 4th Liner" you should be ecstatic
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Schlesische posted:Markov-Weber is a D-pairing. So if one is getting decreased use, they're both getting decreased use. The best Habs-related tweet since Therrien got canned.
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In less inspiring Habs news, tonight will see the debut of Dwight King, 2nd liner (Martinsen and Ott are still on the 4th, and this is mostly due to Radulov and Plekanec being out, but still.)
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Slappy Pappy posted:This morning Washington was -273 and I just laughed. Caps don't beat the Stars. It's one of those things. Jason Spezza Kari Lehtonen blah blah blah. They played pretty great the second half of the game but doesn't matter. Can't beat Stars. Why are people amazed over the Stars beating the Caps. No matter what they win. In this decade we are 1-9 and in going back to when GW was sworn in we are 4-16-1.
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Call Your Grandma posted:Maybe it's just me but it seems like Canadian teams tend to create this loyalty in their franchise players that's counterproductive to both parties when they need to move on. Ryan Smith requested a trade from LA right before they won the cup so that he could go back to play in the tire fire. I don't quite remember the circumstances with Alfredson but I'm pretty sure there was some unnecessary animosity there when he ended up in Detroit as well. You see the same things in players on American teams. I could probably name one from just about every team: look at Kunitz, Brodeur, Staal, Osgood, Bourque, DiPietro, Lecavalier, etc. GMs, ownerships, and fans are a sentimental bunch. How often do you even get fair value for a franchise player when you trade them in their prime? The Kovalchuk, Luongo (Florida->Van), Thornton, Hall, and Subban deals were bad to terrible. Even the Kessel trade was pretty poor value. You have to go back to like the Nieuwendyk for Iginla or Clark for Sundin deals for something decent.
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Richards and Carter, I would say, though they're not quite on the level of the guys you mentioned. e: Actually at the time of the trades I guess they might have been, depending on your evaluation.
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I should have added "By GMs who don't treat their team like it's in an xbox" e: Heatley for Hossa was another good one, too. But, man, if you're trading something like that, you're taking a massive risk. There are Devils fans who want to trade Schneider and Hall and go full on tank, and while I almost agree in Holmgren video game theory, it would be an awful gamble. T-Bone fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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bergfors washing out of the nhl immediately makes the kovalchuk deal hilarious in retrospect
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The Subban deal is fair in the average NHL exec and even fan's perspective.
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Aphrodite posted:The Subban deal is fair in the average NHL exec and even fan's perspective. further proving that it is indeed A Bad Trade
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Hall for Larsson too. After all, Larsson is behind the other two d-men who face tough comp, but his numbers indicate he’s doing a better job than Kris Russell in terms of effective puck-moving.
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Plus the Subban trade is great if you're looking at it from the Nashville side. They got a better, cheaper, younger guy for their franchise player trade.
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Schlesische posted:Markov-Weber is a D-pairing. So if one is getting decreased use, they're both getting decreased use.
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T-Bone posted:Hall for Larsson too.
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If the Sedins move, I think its likely they will want a package deal. How many teams can clear ~16 mil in cap space without gutting the roster?
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T-Bone posted:Hall for Larsson too. Then again, it's not very hard to be better than Kris Russell.  I like Larsson, and while acquiring him has helped the Oilers D, that doesn't mean the Hall for Larsson trade is suddenly fair value (unlike what many others think now). I still hate the trade and wish we could've traded somebody else for Larsson instead of Hall. I'm just thankful the Oilers are doing well this season so that way I don't have to think "but what if we still had Hall?"
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:If the Sedins move, I think its likely they will want a package deal. How many teams can clear ~16 mil in cap space without gutting the roster? if the Canucks weren't stupid (and they really, really are) they could try trading them at the deadline next season and retain half on each. 6 million for a rental of the Twins on their last season? Sounds palatable.
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Send the Sedins to the NHL retirement home (Panthers). Then they can chill with their boy Lu again too.
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I doubt the Canucks would agree to retain salary because that would impact their ability to win now.
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Albino Squirrel posted:Uggggh seeing Davidson-Petry together reminds me of all the terrible player management decisions the Oilers have made. Gives me heartburn. So bad. For so long. (Pens fans can enjoy this one.)
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Plus they only got one retention slot left, so whatever team would have to eat over 10m in cap hit next year. So, presuming they do move them a big contract or two has to come back. What does that trade look like? You're getting two (aging) hall of famers, cap relief, and dumping one or two bad contracts. I'd have to think the return would need to be pretty drat high. And, after all, it's only a year of old Sedins. I don't really see how it could work out from any perspective. Well, unless Benning goes all Benning and ships then away for two old, poo poo players, retains salary, and throws in a couple picks and prospects for the hell of it.
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JoelJoel posted:Plus they only got one retention slot left You're right, I forgot about that. Yeah, Benning isn't smart enough to get around that. I doubt the Sedins will be traded.
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IT'S NCAA ELC/PTO TIME https://twitter.com/KMOXSports/status/839239081578098689 Having watched Thompson at the WJCs and occasional UConn highlights...he'll be good.
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