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We do need to change the retirement age though. Or just fund the cost involved somehow. Robots maybe.
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Mar 7, 2017 23:56
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Raising the retirement age is a poo poo trick to pull on a working populace by a government that's already stopped funding the NZ Super and did its best to force everyone into private retirement schemes.
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Mar 8, 2017 00:15
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The thing is with more and more jobs disappearing to automation many economists around the world are thinking we need a UBI. One easy way to phase that in would be to start decreasing the age you receive national super. Fund it with a tax on robot ownership.
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Mar 8, 2017 02:10
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Woman I work with will be 64 in 2040 and she is pissed
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Mar 8, 2017 04:57
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We should be lowering it ffs
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Mar 8, 2017 06:07
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Mar 8, 2017 07:07
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How is this the real world
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Mar 8, 2017 07:11
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I am embarrassed to admit: 1) I know the guy with glasses in the background 2) he's almost certainly the one who gave Winston that Pepe
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Mar 8, 2017 07:46
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Mar 8, 2017 08:22
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Ghostlight posted:How is this the real world
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Mar 8, 2017 08:29
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Varkk posted:The thing is with more and more jobs disappearing to automation many economists around the world are thinking we need a UBI. One easy way to phase that in would be to start decreasing the age you receive national super. Fund it with a tax on robot ownership. The first part of UBI is the "universal" bit for a reason though.
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Mar 8, 2017 08:40
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Ghostlight posted:How is this the real world Lol that guy is probably going to have a position in the next government.
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Mar 8, 2017 12:30
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I can't remember what he did in Helen's cabinet - I know he was foreign minister (after doing full-on Yellow Peril poo poo) but I can't seem to remember any scandals. Possibly in the same way a fish doesn't remember water.
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Mar 9, 2017 05:40
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He was a minister outside of cabinet. He was minister for foreign affairs and was by all accounts pretty effective in that role. I do recall some scandals around him from both his time in Bolger's government and in Clark's but can't recall the details right now. I think Clark downplayed Winston's transgressions as he was not in Cabinet so the Cabinet Manual didn't apply and as he wasn't a Labour MP she couldn't sanction him.
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Mar 9, 2017 06:04
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Yeah he was really good in foreign affairs because he actually trusted the people who'd done the job for like 30 years to know what the gently caress they're doing, rather than micro managing like national party ministers seem so fond of doing. Winston can also be really loving charming when he puts his mind to it, or so I'm told. Though I have a feeling he'd want to interfere a bit more with NZ's trade negotiations this time round if he gets that chair back.
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Mar 9, 2017 11:14
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He unironically has the best taxation platform ever presented in NZ.
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Mar 9, 2017 19:38
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I don't think 'steal the gold fillings from Chinese grandparents' is very sustainable
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Mar 9, 2017 20:00
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No, but the actual tax policy is and addresses wealth inequality better than anything else. Please keep yelling "but a bigot said it" to make sure no other party touches it and everyone not in the landed classes dies in the street.
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Mar 10, 2017 00:13
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What is this tax policy and why is it so good? Maybe if they wanted people to talk about their tax policy they should talk about themselves instead of dog-whistling about the yellow/brown/off-white peril.
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Mar 10, 2017 02:00
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The only good thing I can see in Winnie's tax policy, other than a nebulous 'narrow the income gap through 'fair' taxation' (fair tax is basically a dog whistle for flat tax at this point I feel), is the removal of GST on food. Canning GST on rates seems like a load of poo poo to me. Also promising a tax evasion crackdown, which is fairly bog standard.
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Mar 10, 2017 02:25
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Water shortage in Auckland. Start pissing in the shower boys
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Mar 10, 2017 02:27
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Flat tax on financial transactions eliminates trust, offshoring, and other loopholes. I have no interest in voting for nz first because they have literally nothing else to offer. It would be nice if another party took up the transaction based taxation idea.
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Mar 10, 2017 02:33
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Any good policies NZ First may have will get their day in the sun as part of a left led coalition regardless of if other parties take them up or not.
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Mar 10, 2017 03:05
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whiter than a Wilco show posted:Flat tax on financial transactions eliminates trust, offshoring, and other loopholes. The greens have that. See tobin tax. https://www.greens.org.nz/page/economic-policy
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Mar 10, 2017 03:16
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I for one don't really mind Winnie's dog whistling as long as nobody else can hear it and he continues to ignore these parts of his platform whenever he actually gets in power. Would you prefer the racists actually vote for a racist?
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Mar 10, 2017 03:37
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Doing so legitimises these views in many people's minds. Just because he doesn't actively pursue such things when he is in power doesn't absolve him. He is still providing a rallying point for such views on society and he will not be there forever so such views can linger and grow until a new leader replaces him who will actively pursue these ideas as actual policy. Remember NZ First has other MPs who can and will take that path when able.
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Mar 10, 2017 03:48
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I'm sure the guy using racism to gain more power isn't actually racist and definitely won't do racist things later if it lets him keep power.
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Mar 10, 2017 03:51
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Taitale posted:The greens have that. See tobin tax. Oh cool!
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Mar 10, 2017 03:57
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truther posted:Start pissing in the shower boys Like I ever stopped.
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Mar 10, 2017 04:11
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exmachina posted:I for one don't really mind Winnie's dog whistling as long as nobody else can hear it and he continues to ignore these parts of his platform whenever he actually gets in power. Would you prefer the racists actually vote for a racist? https://twitter.com/Cavalorn/status/654934442549620736 voiceless anal fricative fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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Mar 10, 2017 05:12
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exmachina posted:I for one don't really mind Winnie's dog whistling as long as nobody else can hear it Uh do you know what dog whistle means?
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Mar 10, 2017 05:23
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Slavvy posted:Like I ever stopped. I frequently water the lawn
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Mar 10, 2017 05:25
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Hey I won't vote NZF. But I am perfectly fine with racists and scared old people giving him their vote. I also really want Winston in Parliament as he is willing to actually stand up to the govt. How many times has his questions been posted in this thread or the previous ones. And just lol if you think that NZF has any future beyond Winston. E: If you think about it without him it is perfectly possible that the loving Conservative party could have seats right now exmachina fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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Mar 10, 2017 08:41
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Hey now, they have that guy who worked as a mercenary for an oppressive foreign regime and now wants to tell us to be scared of foreigners.
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Mar 10, 2017 08:46
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Hey now, they have that guy who worked as a mercenary for an oppressive foreign regime and now wants to tell us to be scared of foreigners. And they also have fedoras as far as the eye can see. But I think my point still stands.
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Mar 10, 2017 08:52
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Nat MP Mark Mitchell was also a foreign fighter iirc NZ First has Richard Prosser, who is a fascist
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Mar 10, 2017 09:15
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exmachina posted:I for one don't really mind Winnie's dog whistling as long as nobody else can hear it and he continues to ignore these parts of his platform whenever he actually gets in power. Would you prefer the racists actually vote for a racist? I'm sure you never have to worry about racism. Meanwhile, tonight a friend of mine was brought to tears just thinking about a racist incident she experienced years ago. But hey, you doesn't affect you right? So lol winnie I guess.
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Mar 10, 2017 11:09
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NZAmoeba posted:I'm sure you never have to worry about racism. Meanwhile, tonight a friend of mine was brought to tears just thinking about a racist incident she experienced years ago. Yes I am a white male, thanks for saving me the trouble of explaining my privilege. But that doesn't mean that I am unaffected by racism, especially as a dirty miscegenanist. My point, however, is that racists can and will vote, and I would rather they voted for a 'fake racist' than a real one.
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Mar 10, 2017 12:11
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exmachina posted:Yes I am a white male, thanks for saving me the trouble of explaining my privilege. But that doesn't mean that I am unaffected by racism, especially as a dirty miscegenanist. My point, however, is that racists can and will vote, and I would rather they voted for a 'fake racist' than a real one. There's no loving difference in the long run. If racists win, then racism can win. If racism can win, then real racism will sweep the loving board.
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exmachina posted:Yes I am a white male, thanks for saving me the trouble of explaining my privilege. But that doesn't mean that I am unaffected by racism, especially as a dirty miscegenanist. My point, however, is that racists can and will vote, and I would rather they voted for a 'fake racist' than a real one. "fake racists" (whatever that means) build a platform for actual racists to stand on. I don't understand how you can spout this "oh they're harmless" nonsense when we live in the timeline where Trump is President of the United States of America.
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