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Merauder posted:Yeah, I don't understand that response either. Elaborate, CMON haters? Maybe it was meant to be gently caress CMON's previous practices?
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:Maybe it was meant to be gently caress CMON's previous practices? I mean their current practices (i.e., gameplay-relevant Kickstarter exclusives) still suck, but at least they're getting better?
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# ? Mar 8, 2017 05:51 |
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If anything I would be upset at agreeing to sell at a set price. Without looking at the fine print we can't know how long the contract is valid (and what the hell is CMON going to do, not sell something to you in the future?) but the moment I'm sitting on 9 copies of a dusty game for several months it's going to get slashed. Especially when (and it's not "if" it's "when") online retailers get their hands on it.
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# ? Mar 8, 2017 08:20 |
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unseenlibrarian posted:Yeah, I mostly just mean take it a step further and have all the little history segments offer mechanical and/or plot engagement, Like, okay, so you buy the lore about ancient wizarding empires with castles in the sky. This unlocks options like "SECRETS OF THE CLOUDCHITECTS" where you learn how to manufacture lighter-than-air fortifications, and meanwhile Bob's invested in the Elf-Dwarf conflict and has "STAR-CROSSED DESTINY" and is due to fall in love with an elf whose family doesn't approve. I really like this idea? Are you likely to do anything with it? (Because if not, I might.) Covok posted:With the plethora of FRPG out on the market at the moment, what would it take for you to trust a kickstarter of a new one? This isn't so much a discussion of a real KS, but a hypothetical one. Don't know if thread appropriate. Some combination of:
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# ? Mar 8, 2017 10:13 |
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I backed Arkham Ritual because it's $9 with free shipping to the US.
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The_Doctor posted:I backed Arkham Ritual because it's $9 with free shipping to the US. I originally backed because it was only $11 including shipping to Australia. Then I upgraded to the level that also includes the anime sheep game, and now I can't use the excuse that it's cheap anymore
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Covok posted:With the plethora of FRPG out on the market at the moment, what would it take for you to trust a kickstarter of a new one? This isn't so much a discussion of a real KS, but a hypothetical one. Don't know if thread appropriate. For me it'd have to be a combination of some or all of the following:
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potatocubed posted:I really like this idea? Go for it! I just like the mechanic from the two games that had it and want to see it used more.
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GrandpaPants posted:I mean their current practices (i.e., gameplay-relevant Kickstarter exclusives) still suck, but at least they're getting better? I'm still waiting on my copy of Arcadia Quest Inferno. They had a few crates in the US being held up for a few weeks by customs and said nothing about it. We're about 8 months late at this point. Not sure what your criteria for better is but Rising Sun has a shitload of exclusives already and we're at day 2. I'm pro giving local game stores money directly over them especially if they're able to sell copies with the exclusives.
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:I'm still waiting on my copy of Arcadia Quest Inferno. They had a few crates in the US being held up for a few weeks by customs and said nothing about it. We're about 8 months late at this point. Better would be CMON allowing stores to sell games with exclusives. Which they're doing, as you said. Only 12, which will lead to problems if the game has any sort of sustained sales, but it's better than nothing. And it's not exactly sticking it to CMON to buy Rising Sun from a store. It's just kind of a weird context to express approval of a new policy CMON has implemented to the benefit of local game stores, followed by "gently caress CMON." But whatever, I don't disagree with the overall sentiment of "gently caress CMON."
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# ? Mar 8, 2017 18:26 |
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The_Doctor posted:I backed Arkham Ritual because it's $9 with free shipping to the US. Ooo - I might have to back this too. My partner loves all things Lovecraft and we need more intro games for friends.
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:Not sure what your criteria for better is but Rising Sun has a shitload of exclusives already and we're at day 2. My criteria for better is no (gameplay-related) exclusives.
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# ? Mar 8, 2017 19:16 |
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Good news regarding Carmen Bellaire at Palladium's usual product promotion puff:Kevin Siembieda posted:UPDATE: Carmen Bellaire is BACK! And at Rogue Heroes' Facebook page: Carmen Bellaire posted:Hello Everyone I don't know if I'm too worried about the board game, but I'm glad to hear he's made it through.
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# ? Mar 8, 2017 22:37 |
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From the boardgames thread: Legacy tic tac toe
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 03:35 |
Amidst all the Rising Sun chat, this gem went unnoticed: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/847271320/munchkin-shakespeare?ref=category
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 06:39 |
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Oh nostalgia. I remember when Munchkin was funny, the first few times we played it back in 2004 or so.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 06:46 |
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GrandpaPants posted:Amidst all the Rising Sun chat, this gem went unnoticed: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/847271320/munchkin-shakespeare?ref=category They keep hurting us and I have to keep reminding myself that it's not somehow our fault.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 07:05 |
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One game of Munchkin I played was 12 hours long in our hotel at GenCon, from around 10pm to 10am. We kept de-leveling ourselves and each other, over and over. As people began shuffling into the cafe area for the hotel's complimentary breakfast, I was about to hit level 10 but then de-leveled myself and everyone else, and I was the only one willing to keep going after that. Everyone else wanted to go to a restaurant before the convention hall opened back up. So I won by default. That's the best game of Munchkin I've ever played, because it makes for a funny story, and that's only because it's an incredibly lovely game where you can use your boring ~jokes~ cards to screw each other over continuously for literally half a day. $250,000
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 07:18 |
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Munchkin is good. It paid for my ultra deluxe edition of OGRE.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 07:27 |
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To be fair I was able to sell off my Munchkin cards for more than I actually paid for them. I don't understand why. I just have to accept it.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 07:29 |
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I still own several sets of Munchkin cards, because the mistakes we make in youth haunt us forever.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 07:31 |
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I feel as though my 40k minis gathering dust in the closet are a much greater shame than a munchkin deck or two.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 07:34 |
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Terrible Opinions posted:Munchkin is good. It paid for my ultra deluxe edition of OGRE. What's Steve Jackson done since then that's worthy of note? e; wait why does Steve Jackson need to Kickstart a Munchkin expansion? They've made dozens of the things, what's so special about this one that it needs to be crowdfunded? I thought Munchkin was SJG's day job and Kickstarter was for things like Ogre, so now they're just going to the crowdfunding well because "hey, why not?" Kai Tave fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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As far as I can tell nothing, but there's nothing really wrong with making money off games for moms. Now if Munchkin failing would get a new Illuminati edition printed then death to Munchkin, but I doubt that is a real possibility.
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Terrible Opinions posted:As far as I can tell nothing, but there's nothing really wrong with making money off games for moms. Now if Munchkin failing would get a new Illuminati edition printed then death to Munchkin, but I doubt that is a real possibility. Yeah, the truth is that Kickstarter can simultaneously act as a preorder store for one project and a lifeline for another without either getting harmed. In fact big publishers using KS normally end up increasing the number of people using the site and checking out other projects. I guess I just don't get what damage people think projects like this are doing.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 11:22 |
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Didn't they have some kind of exclusivity agreement with Target for Munchkin?
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 13:21 |
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SJG may be leveraging "Kickstarter is not a store" in a new way. (But you're probably thinking Cards Against Humanity. I've seen Munchkin everywhere.)
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 14:11 |
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Kai Tave posted:What's Steve Jackson done since then that's worthy of note? They don't -need- to, but if you could get all your production costs covered up front, and know that people will still buy the dumbass thing afterwards, why not?
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moths posted:SJG may be leveraging "Kickstarter is not a store" in a new way. I apparently misunderstood a press release I saw a while back. There have been Target-exclusive sets, but you're right, Munchkin-at-large is widely available.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 15:22 |
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I enjoyed Munchkin as a teenager, when it was pretty much babby's first trad game for my group of friends. I own several versions of the game. Only half of those I have bought myself, others have been gifted to me until I had to tell people "Stop gifting me Munchkin, it's not a good game!" Also once we played a single game for five hours, it was not fun nor was there any skill involved. That's my Munchkin story.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 15:53 |
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Rising Sun Update: Total Pledged: $1.685mil Total Gameplay-changing KS Exclusives: 9 (I think, without having a rulebook I'm assuming that the non-miniature extras are just component upgrades or visual aids. There's 14 total KS exclusives that are unlocked so far.) Next stretch goal: A KS-exclusive clan which will change the KS version from accomodating 3-5 players to 3-6. End Rising Sun Update Oh, CMON.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 15:54 |
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Covok posted:With the plethora of FRPG out on the market at the moment, what would it take for you to trust a kickstarter of a new one? This isn't so much a discussion of a real KS, but a hypothetical one. Don't know if thread appropriate. For me the RPG would at least have to be at the rough draft stage with the rules complete or nearly complete. Basically if the KS is for art/editing/public awareness/playtesting/etc. This is going to make me sound like a dick, but most of the RPG kickstarters I've backed the authors have other full time jobs. I'm by no means suggesting that they quit those (because that path likely leads to financial ruin) but if you're working on your fantasy game in your spare time then you can wait until your finished with the game before you ask for money for it.
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Kai Tave posted:What's Steve Jackson done since then that's worthy of note? Here's their explanation. YMMV, of course, but there you have it.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 16:48 |
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:Oh, CMON. Apart from the lack of exasperated emphasis, a fairly accurate assessment.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Here's their explanation. YMMV, of course, but there you have it. Honestly I can't see a Shakespeare expansion doing that well anywhere except amongst die-hard fanatics of Munchkin or Shakespeare or both, so Kickstarter makes sense to me at least. I mean, I'm not going to back it, but there you go.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 17:06 |
Japanese Dating Sim posted:Rising Sun Update: Note also that the map has 8 different colors, meaning that there's a good chance that there are 2 more (Kickstarter exclusive, naturally) stretch goal clans. So if you buy it at retail, you can always be reminded of what you're missing. Also, the retail package has 9 of the neutral/monster figures, while there have already been 9 Kickstarter exclusive ones. Edit: 9 in the retail, didn't see Oni of Plagues was somehow not Kickstarter exclusive!
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 18:45 |
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Given that even high profile companies have been using KS for a while now, it almost seems like an industry standard. We don't really have much in the way of RPG news sites or print magazines, RPG.net just reviews what they want--they don't accept press releases. So when a company wants to launch a product and promote it, KS provides a ready platform that aggregates all news updates (at least if they bother to use updates instead of their personal twitter or reddit or whatever) and gives a funding total that lets backers feel like they're participating in the process and have themselves succeeded when the campaign succeeds. It doesn't help that most game companies, even board games and mini companies, can't afford a lot in the way of traditional advertising so social media promotion is almost the only way to get word out. That KS also allows small niche products to exist that otherwise wouldn't be able to is something I consider a bonus.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 18:51 |
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I got my print copy of MASHED in the mail last night, and it looks fantastic! I didn't realize the pages were actually in color too. I may try to run a game of this at OrcaCon next year.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 18:54 |
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occamsnailfile posted:Given that even high profile companies have been using KS for a while now, it almost seems like an industry standard. I agree. eBay and Etsy started the same way, focusing on flea-market odds and ends or handicrafts, and now they both support what amounts to massive storefronts with those same small operators hanging around in the margins.
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occamsnailfile posted:That KS also allows small niche products to exist that otherwise wouldn't be able to is something I consider a bonus. One thing that I gathered is that a lot of these companies, such as Level 99 Games, don't generate enough sales to be able to actually fund their own stuff most of the time. That is, they can make enough to earn some profit and make something resembling a living, but that's still not enough to put up the capital to do a production run. L99 ran into this problem with Millennium Blades, and the Gloomhaven people are in a similar situation. So instead of getting a loan from a bank, they just turn to crowdfunding to generate production, which is something that I'm glad is available as an option, but I am biased because they make rad as hell games.
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