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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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Pissflaps posted:I'll have to take your word for this as you haven't provided a link to the report. It's not like it's on wikipedia or anything https://aliceperry.wordpress.com/2017/01/26/labour-nec-report-january-2017/
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Pochoclo posted:It's not like it's on wikipedia or anything That blog post is the report? I expected something a bit more substantial than quote:Labour Party Membership Especially as it gives no breakdown or clarification of what sort of members it's referring to.
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Mar 8, 2017 16:26
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Pissflaps posted:You weren't able to find it either, were you. There's literally two NEC member reports on the January NEC meeting on the first page of search results which both give the membership figures.
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Mar 8, 2017 16:29
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Pissflaps posted:That blog post is the report? I expected something a bit more substantial than There's also this from another NEC member http://www.leftfutures.org/2017/01/peter-willsman-reports-from-labours-january-executive/ quote:Iain and other senior officers presented a small booklet which analysed in detail the membership data. The membership at the 1 January was 543,645. This is the highest figure on Labour Party records.
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Mar 8, 2017 16:30
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Lord of the Llamas posted:There's literally two NEC member reports on the January NEC meeting on the first page of search results which both give the membership figures. Like i said, when you referred to a 'report' I expected something with a bit more detail than that. And it still leaves us without evidence about what proportion of labour income is derived from membership fees. We'll probably have to wait a year. Lord of the Llamas posted:There's also this from another NEC member http://www.leftfutures.org/2017/01/peter-willsman-reports-from-labours-january-executive/ Sounds like we need that booklet containing the detailed analysis rather than people blogging about its existence.
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Mar 8, 2017 16:32
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Pochoclo posted:I didn't read that - reporting on the actual budget's effects seems to be terrible. I was commenting on the quoted comment though. I guess it's fine as long as it's progressive. According to the BBC these Class 4 contributions which are being increased only go up to £43,000. Anything you earn above that is taxed at a flat 2%. Which is bullshit. Abolishing the Class 2 contributions helps out the poorer self employed but the set up of Class 4 is dreadful. I know NICs all have this weird cap but it's so loving irritating and pointless; is there really any value to not have it operate closer to normal taxation?
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Mar 8, 2017 16:38
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Pissflaps posted:Like i said, when you referred to a 'report' I expected something with a bit more detail than that. The fact is that only the most absurd estimates of how many members pay a reduced rate would prove your point. Anyway; https://twitter.com/DavidJo52951945/status/839188384413286400 Why the hell is Caroline Lucas, of all people, in the front of the dumb meme?
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Mar 8, 2017 16:38
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Jose posted:why do you keep arguing with him does nobody learn their lesson
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Mar 8, 2017 16:38
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Toryprojections.png https://twitter.com/MattWhittakerRF/status/839479830496292864
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Mar 8, 2017 16:40
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Lord of the Llamas posted:
Can't help but notice that Jeremy isn't in it.
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Mar 8, 2017 16:41
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Fangz posted:Toryprojections.png No reason to stick to silly stuff like "facts" and "reality" when you see someone like Trump outright lie about every single thing saying everything will be great and awesome and people eating all of it. "Haha yeah, so, I know I'm building this 60 billion pound warchest for Brexit but it doesn't mean we'll actually need it haha, also I'll raise taxes on the poor to finance it, thanks bye."
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Mar 8, 2017 16:42
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Lunar Suite posted:Considering the other member state have successfully tackled the problem according to the linked article, I don't think it's an unfeasible "death of a thousand cuts" situation.
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Mar 8, 2017 16:43
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Tory manifesto, 2015:
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Mar 8, 2017 16:46
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Fangz posted:Toryprojections.png Good lord. Everyone click this and check the other graphs; Tory mismanagement of the economy has totally hosed any recovery since 2008, the stupidly optimistic productivity growth forecasts still indicate growth slowing in the coming years and if you want to be a doomsayer the employment figures are just turning downwards which is very, very bad. Pissflaps posted:Can't help but notice that Jeremy isn't in it. Because he whipped the Labour Party to vote for it?
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Mar 8, 2017 16:47
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TinTower posted:Tory manifesto, 2015: A clear break of a simple manifesto commitment? The opposition must be having a field day with this. Giving the Tories a good shoeing. Right. Right? namesake posted:Because he whipped the Labour Party to vote for it? You might be on to something there.
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Mar 8, 2017 16:48
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Pissflaps posted:A clear break of a simple manifesto commitment? The opposition must be having a field day with this. Giving the Tories a good shoeing. It's not a break of a commitment, it's just an alternative fulfillment.
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Mar 8, 2017 16:49
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Fangz posted:Toryprojections.png e: more OBR stuff https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/839504511592984576 https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/839504795786412034 LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Mar 8, 2017 |
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Mar 8, 2017 16:50
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Can I get a job in statistics if I learn to draw 45 degree lines on the end of graphs of actual data?
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Mar 8, 2017 16:56
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LemonDrizzle posted:The OBR staff are politically neutral and have produced forecasts that were awkward for Tory chancellors in the past. The pre-2010 forecasts in that chart would have been based on Gordon Brown's spending plans; the revisions after Gideon took over and went for full-on austerity rather than stimulus are perfectly reasonable. However 'politically neutral' they are they have to work according to assumptions supplied to them by the treasury. That's why the projections are a joke. It's a way to launder tory lies into 'neutral' facts.
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Mar 8, 2017 16:57
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LemonDrizzle posted:The OBR staff are politically neutral and have produced forecasts that were awkward for Tory chancellors in the past. The pre-2010 forecasts in that chart would have been based on Gordon Brown's spending plans; the revisions after Gideon took over and went for full-on austerity rather than stimulus are perfectly reasonable. Agreed on the neutrality but you can't look at that particular graph and think anything but 'forecasts more than a year out are trash and shorter ones are probably also trash'. Modelling real economies is basically impossible but I don't understand the mentality which consistently projects rocket trajectories which don't materialise outside of rapid industrialisation.
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Mar 8, 2017 16:58
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OwlFancier posted:Can I get a job in statistics if I learn to draw 45 degree lines on the end of graphs of actual data? Tories should hire Bitcoin "analysts". The UK economy is going up uP UP!!
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Mar 8, 2017 16:59
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Pochoclo posted:Tories should hire Bitcoin "analysts". The UK economy is going up uP UP!! i just coming t post this gently caress yOU!!
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Mar 8, 2017 17:00
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Oberleutnant posted:i just coming t post this gently caress yOU!! 
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Mar 8, 2017 17:11
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namesake posted:Agreed on the neutrality but you can't look at that particular graph and think anything but 'forecasts more than a year out are trash and shorter ones are probably also trash'. Modelling real economies is basically impossible but I don't understand the mentality which consistently projects rocket trajectories which don't materialise outside of rapid industrialisation. My understanding is that the OBR would ideally like folks to stop putting so much weight on their forecasts given how wide the confidence bands are on them.
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Mar 8, 2017 17:14
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Now taking wagers that barring a snap GE we'll be back to 4 million unemployed by the time May is done.
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Mar 8, 2017 17:20
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mfcrocker posted:My understanding is that the OBR would ideally like folks to stop putting so much weight on their forecasts given how wide the confidence bands are on them. While that's fair given the difficulty of their job if they want that to happen they should stop providing 'hard' figures and provide forecast ranges with the reason that it's impossible for them to just draw a line and be right. All analysis on BBC so far is 'why didn't he talk about Brexit' and the tiny NI contribution change, we're literally doing better analysis ITT.
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Mar 8, 2017 17:27
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Terrible news - I've found a typo on page 22 of the new Private Eye, they've misspelt "Bukkake" as "Bukkaka"
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Mar 8, 2017 17:28
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Jedit posted:Now taking wagers that barring a snap GE we'll be back to 4 million unemployed by the time May is done. I could be persuaded to believe either.
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Mar 8, 2017 17:28
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namesake posted:While that's fair given the difficulty of their job if they want that to happen they should stop providing 'hard' figures and provide forecast ranges with the reason that it's impossible for them to just draw a line and be right. This shouldn't come as a surprise, but that is what they provide.  https://twitter.com/KatieAllenGdn/status/839503208796028929
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Mar 8, 2017 17:29
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mfcrocker posted:This shouldn't come as a surprise, but that is what they provide. No I mean forget the (future) purple lines entirely, they're misleading when the level of accuracy is low. Obviously they'd have to calculate them to get the forecast but they shouldn't appear in their presentations.
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Mar 8, 2017 17:34
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namesake posted:No I mean forget the (future) purple lines entirely, they're misleading when the level of accuracy is low. Yeah, well, the OBR isn't as independent as they'd like to be and I imagine the Treasury would throw a poo poo-fit 
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Mar 8, 2017 17:35
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namesake posted:I know NICs all have this weird cap but it's so loving irritating and pointless; is there really any value to not have it operate closer to normal taxation?
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Mar 8, 2017 17:40
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Mar 8, 2017 17:45
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We have to go deeper
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Mar 8, 2017 17:51
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namesake posted:According to the BBC these Class 4 contributions which are being increased only go up to £43,000. Anything you earn above that is taxed at a flat 2%. Which is bullshit.
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Mar 8, 2017 17:51
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"GDP growth for the next year is projected to be between -100% and +105%, so on average it's +2.5%, yeah, nothing wrong with this picture"
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Mar 8, 2017 17:52
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ookiimarukochan posted:Terrible news - I've found a typo on page 22 of the new Private Eye, they've misspelt "Bukkake" as "Bukkaka" I got one of the Funny Old World stories in Private Eye this month.
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Mar 8, 2017 17:58
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ookiimarukochan posted:Terrible news - I've found a typo on page 22 of the new Private Eye, they've misspelt "Bukkake" as "Bukkaka" That's just Hislop trying to pretend he's not knee deep in bukkake.
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Mar 8, 2017 17:59
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Watched a Stacey Dooley programme the other night. I know it's BBC3, but she's not very bright is she? She recently went over to Japan to demand Anime be banned, asking a popular manga author "Why don’t you Japanese people follow what the UK does?" To which he replied: "Why don’t you British people follow Japan, since we’re more civilized, and have lower crime rate than the UK?"
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Mar 8, 2017 18:28
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I don't know if that's such a good burn though, I definitely wouldn't want to live in Japan - their workaholic culture is too extreme for my taste. They need to relax.
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