GreyjoyBastard posted:"Any Palestinian who joins the IDF can vote" is to me, despite being literally Starship Troopers, an acceptable improvement to the status quo. I forgot that was the plot of Starship Troopers and now I think this whole business is even more ridiculous.
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Starship Troopers (the movie) is a rather flimsy allegory to Israel\Palestine or Vietnam or pretty much any colonialist struggle presented as a defensive war anyway. It's a good movie and whenever I see people say it's a glorification of war I just want to smash my head into a wall.
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Mar 7, 2017 07:51
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Starship Troopers (the movie) is a rather flimsy allegory to Israel\Palestine or Vietnam or pretty much any colonialist struggle presented as a defensive war anyway. Who could have ever thought that Paul Verhoeven could be too subtle for some people. It boggles the mind that anyone could see that movie as anything other than a blatant satire attacking fascism, jingoism and war.
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Mar 7, 2017 07:56
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happy page 88! 
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Mar 7, 2017 10:46
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Mods please leave the I/P thread up until page 1488, tyvm.
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Mar 7, 2017 12:32
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Miftan posted:Mods please leave the I/P thread up until page 1488, tyvm. Oh I'm sure the whole situation will be resolved by then.
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Mar 7, 2017 12:52
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Hope none of the haters have plans to travel to Israel lol https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/07/world/middleeast/israel-knesset-vote-boycott-bds-reform-judaism.html?_r=0
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Mar 8, 2017 11:30
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Oh noes, the state I'm boycotting refuses to let me break my boycott by vacationing there...  This is just going to further isolate Israel by making its government look even more blatantly like the terrified regressive horror show it is.
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Mar 8, 2017 11:37
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hakimashou posted:Hope none of the haters have plans to travel to Israel lol Only democracy in the Middle East! A proud example for everyone.
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Mar 8, 2017 11:43
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hakimashou posted:Hope none of the haters have plans to travel to Israel lol Well poo poo, so much for my spring break plans.
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Mar 8, 2017 11:50
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Ah poo poo, looks like I can still go. Only a couple more years until I can renounce my citizenship!
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Mar 8, 2017 12:32
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They aren't the only country that denies visas to hostile foreigners are they though?
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Mar 8, 2017 13:05
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I'm sure there are other countries that ban critics though I don't think it's good company.
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Mar 8, 2017 13:15
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drat, there go my plans for an anti-Zionist Sixth Aliyah. I guess it's Aliyah Gimel now.
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Mar 8, 2017 17:07
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like that ban will actually affect anybody who posts here
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Mar 8, 2017 17:56
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hakimashou posted:They aren't the only country that denies visas to hostile foreigners are they though? I think there's a difference between being a public critic and being "hostile."
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Mar 8, 2017 18:08
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This might come off as a dumb question but an earlier related thread talked about rockets being improvised using urine for rocket fuel, is that actually real?
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Mar 8, 2017 18:13
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It makes it a heck of a lot more difficult for foreign activists and aid workers to visit the settlements or the Palestinian territories. Israel recently denied a visa to a Human Rights Watch official, too. And, of course, because of its broad wording and applicability, it hurts Palestinians worst of all:quote:While the law appears geared primarily at foreign nationals, it in fact directly threatens Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza who apply for permits to reside in Israel with their families, enter the country for humanitarian reasons, or who have been living in Israel’s 1948 borders for a long time yet have not obtained permanent residency status (those who applied for permanent residency for the purpose of family reunification had the process frozen by Israel in 2003).
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Mar 8, 2017 18:19
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hakimashou posted:They aren't the only country that denies visas to hostile foreigners are they though? Criticism is hostile. A bold stance to take, certainly.
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Mar 8, 2017 18:21
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TheKingofSprings posted:This might come off as a dumb question but an earlier related thread talked about rockets being improvised using urine for rocket fuel, is that actually real? There's info here - https://www.quora.com/What-material...shipped-to-Gaza Urine can be used in the process of making an oxidizer but many Hamas rockets are not quite the low-tech homemade affair they're often presented as in certain circles. In general I'm pretty sure the homemade Qassam rockets are made with fertilizers, I don't know if urine is really a part of it or not.
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Mar 8, 2017 18:21
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emanresu tnuocca posted:There's info here - https://www.quora.com/What-material...shipped-to-Gaza They were told to "junk 'em" and someone misheard.
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Mar 8, 2017 19:48
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After what Europeans did to the Jews I don't blame them for being a little suspicious of foreign "critics."
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Mar 9, 2017 02:27
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hakimashou posted:After what Europeans did to the Jews I don't blame them for being a little suspicious of foreign "critics." The state of Israel isn't the whole of jewish peoples. For instance, there are ethopian jews there too, who have been targeted by the state of israel in non-consensual temporary sterilization efforts - a form of genocide. That's not being 'a little suspicious' of 'critics' for security's sake. Unless you think that the potential ethopian jewish children were critics that posed an existential threat to the state of israel for some reason.
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Mar 9, 2017 03:10
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hakimashou posted:After what Europeans did to the Jews I don't blame them for being a little suspicious of foreign "critics." I take exception to conflating Israel's actions with some unified Jewish will. I and many other people somehow manage to be Jewish without simultaneously being an authoritarian rear end in a top hat, and the same is true for many of the Jews who live in Israel. It's usually pretty obvious when criticism of Israel is motivated by antisemitism (and sometimes it certainly is!), so there's no need to be suspicious of the intentions of every single person who criticizes Israel. Certain language usually makes it obvious (in particular blaming Jewish people for Israel's crimes is usually a sign that the person is motivated by antisemitism).
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Mar 9, 2017 03:17
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hakimashou posted:After what Europeans did to the Jews I don't blame them for being a little suspicious of foreign "critics." If you're implying anti-Semitism, go ahead and hurl your accusations already. Or are you saying that past injustices excuse current injustices? Either way, come on out and say it already, instead of beating around the bush with vague yet sinister one-sentence remarks. State your position instead of making people guess at it.
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Mar 9, 2017 03:22
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Rodatose posted:The state of Israel isn't the whole of jewish peoples. For instance, there are ethopian jews there too, who have been targeted by the state of israel in non-consensual temporary sterilization efforts - a form of genocide. That's not being 'a little suspicious' of 'critics' for security's sake. Unless you think that the potential ethopian jewish children were critics that posed an existential threat to the state of israel for some reason. The Ethiopian thing was shady as gently caress, but it doesn't appear to have been a deliberate, concerted state action. Just a bunch of doctors being assholes in an environment that tacitly encourages assholery towards Ethiopian Jews.
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Mar 9, 2017 03:26
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Rodatose posted:The state of Israel isn't the whole of jewish peoples. For instance, there are ethopian jews there too, who have been targeted by the state of israel in non-consensual temporary sterilization efforts - a form of genocide. That's not being 'a little suspicious' of 'critics' for security's sake. Unless you think that the potential ethopian jewish children were critics that posed an existential threat to the state of israel for some reason. Genocide? Are you loving freebasing heroin? If that was true it'd be beyond stupid and racist, but it's largely been debunked in this very thread by Israeli leftists. Anyway, there's a strong analogy to made between Netanyahu and Trump in that both are wildly unpopular, and even when they were elected, a majority of voters would have preferred for their chief opponents to be heads of government. We have the electoral college. In Israel, the leading vote getting party gets the first chance to form a government, so two of the centrist parties (well Kulanu is, YB is more just a blatant corruption ploy) who would have preferred to caucus with Zionist Union are instead bought off by Likud. Both Netanyahu and Trump cater only to their small chunks of the electorate, and are similarly unrepresentative of the whole of their countries.
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Mar 9, 2017 04:06
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i hope i'm still allowed to go to israel
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Avshalom posted:i hope i'm still allowed to go to israel The more important question is whether Israel will be able to come to you.
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Mar 9, 2017 04:19
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Palestine-Israel in the Trump Era - a panel discussion at Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs. Sorry if no one else much cares but I first was introduced to this channel on this board when someone linked to a speech by a man named Mark Blyth who explained the rise of anti-establishment fervor in the world. I subscribed to the channel after that and this just popped up. I tend to find the videos pretty interesting and informative so maybe someone else would like to see it. If nothing else, introducing all the speakers and their works is great for expanding my reading list on this topic. The struggle against American imperialism in particular sounds right up my alley.
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Mar 9, 2017 04:30
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We've been having our own Trump in charge since 2009. I'd say it's actually worse because our Trump is a fair bit shrewd and has some notion of political strategy and long term thinking.
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Mar 9, 2017 06:31
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emanresu tnuocca posted:We've been having our own Trump in charge since 2009. But seriously, beyond "right wing rear end in a top hat" and "populist, for a very specific definition of populist", how are the two at all similar?
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Xander77 posted:But seriously, beyond "right wing rear end in a top hat" and "populist, for a very specific definition of populist", how are the two at all similar? 
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Mar 9, 2017 07:54
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Demagogue, cartoon villain, terrible comb over, dog whistling and race baiting, islamophobia and 'clash of civilizations' nonsense, newspeak enthusiasts, extravagant hedonism, abject slaves to moloch, etc.
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Mar 9, 2017 08:00
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Is Bibi a Kremlin whore as well?
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Mar 9, 2017 08:05
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That would be awkward considering Russia's relationship with Syria.
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Mar 9, 2017 08:31
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With any luck they'll get to share the same jail cell.
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Mar 9, 2017 10:30
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Kim Jong Il posted:Genocide? Are you loving freebasing heroin? If that was true it'd be beyond stupid and racist, but it's largely been debunked in this very thread by Israeli leftists. "We were not attempting to genocide them. We were merely attempting to prevent their demographic from ever having any children, without their consent, and only got caught when someone noticed their birth rate had dropped through the floor with no explanation."
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Mar 9, 2017 18:35
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I think the point was that it wasn't institutional. It was just a bunch of shifty doctors being racist assholes.
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Miftan posted:I think the point was that it wasn't institutional. It was just a bunch of shifty doctors being racist assholes. A Likud government couldn't find anyone to say "this is official immigration policy." For that level of institutional, sure. It was an institutional enough problem, however, that, the way it was uncovered was someone asking the question "why, exactly, have ethiopian immigrants to Israel ceased having children. at all" instead of any Israeli medical professional asking why, exactly, sterilization treatments were suddenly part of Standard Immigration Procedure. Best way I can put it is that if Abu Ghraib constituted institutionalized torture, this constituted an attempt at genocide. And when your best defense for a charge of genocide is "it depends on what you mean by institutionalized," ~weeeeellll~
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