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Kurieg posted:Well, when you talk to EDI in ME2's endgame she goes over Cerberus' funding and power structure, there aren't that many projects running at once because TIM prefers to be very hands on with what's going on. He probably wouldn't support the Andromeda initiative for several reasons. He wouldn't live to see the outcome, it was too multi-racial, it wasn't actually going to support earth, and by the time the AI launched, he was already probably drinking the blue kool-aid. It'd also be a good opportunity to ensure human supremacy in the new galaxy along with their totally-legit-we-swear AI SAM.
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exquisite tea posted:It's a flimsy connection because Liara isn't poo poo for most of the timeline this initiative is even being developed, and even when she is, nobody outside of the Normandy crew even knows that she's the Shadow Broker. Nobody gives a poo poo about her research into the Protheans, most of the galaxy isn't even aware of the Reaper threat at all. Regardless of any in-game continuity, the reason for including her VA is "we have no confidence people will like our game without it containing endless references to the original," so brace yourselves for many more tortuous callbacks. That part doesn't really matter. We already know TIM knows who she is, and probably even that she's the shadow broker, so that means Cerberus knows, and there's already some hints here and there that Cerberus is a big part of the bankroll for at least the human ark. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out Dad Ryder knows for a fact that the reapers are real because of some cerberus connection or w/e the gently caress. And, again, it's not a symposium on reapers presented by Liara. It's an audio log, probably a journal or some poo poo. Like, yeah, it's a callback, but that's not actually a big deal?
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Mar 8, 2017 19:36
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If Liara prepared time capsules explaining the Reaper threat for future cycles, and she did, it would also make sense to broadcast it to the AI. And then she appended all of her lab notes because like all academics she's horrified by how few people read the poo poo they put out and she wanted to escape that fate. That's what Dad Ryder is listening to.
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Mar 8, 2017 19:40
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homullus posted:Or -- stay with me here -- frozen for a long time. How did she serve with Asari commandos then
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Mar 8, 2017 19:42
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Uh, that thresher was converted by the reapers and then sent to Andromeda. DUH.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:If Liara prepared time capsules explaining the Reaper threat for future cycles, and she did, it would also make sense to broadcast it to the AI. And then she appended all of her lab notes because like all academics she's horrified by how few people read the poo poo they put out and she wanted to escape that fate. She recorded all that stuff at the tail end of ME3, long after this mission was supposed to take off. It really doesn't make any sense other than just having a callback, there's no point in trying to rationalize it.
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exquisite tea posted:It's a flimsy connection because Liara isn't poo poo for most of the timeline this initiative is even being developed, and even when she is, nobody outside of the Normandy crew even knows that she's the Shadow Broker. Nobody gives a poo poo about her research into the Protheans, most of the galaxy isn't even aware of the Reaper threat at all. Regardless of any in-game continuity, the reason for including her VA is "we have no confidence people will like our game without it containing endless references to the original," so brace yourselves for many more tortuous callbacks. At the start of 3 on Mars you can read a pda from a scientist talking about how impressive Laura's resume is.
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Sara spent time at Prothean dig sites, maybe she worked with Liara before she met Shepard?
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At the point in time the Andromeda Initiative left, Liara is a nobody researcher who's work is unknown and unverified due to Vigil shutting down between ME1 and ME2. She then vanished off the map to become a crime boss. There really is no point trying to rationalize this. It's a dumb callback nothing more.
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exquisite tea posted:She recorded all that stuff at the tail end of ME3, long after this mission was supposed to take off. It really doesn't make any sense other than just having a callback, there's no point in trying to rationalize it. it does make sense though? Not that the Initiative would have the logs of her final message to post-Reaper species -- that doesn't fly -- but the stuff in Alec Ryder's cabin literally has her talking about trying to figure out the culture of a dead race like the Protheans. I don't know why he's got that in his cabin, but considering that's her thing in ME1 and she likely has her academic profile raised a bit by literally visiting Ilos, it makes sense that if he wanted information on that topic he'd probably read some of her stuff. Now if your argument is "not liking callbacks," that's fair, but I think you're stretching here.
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Captain Oblivious posted:At the point in time the Andromeda Initiative left, Liara is a nobody researcher who's work is unknown and unverified due to Vigil shutting down between ME1 and ME2. She then vanished off the map to become a crime boss. But she's not? Like, you're just flat out wrong about the basis of your argument, so I don't know what to tell you anymore. Get over it, I guess? It's totally small world syndrome because in the entirely galaxy there are like 50 people for some reason, but that's just kinda lovely writing, not actual continuity errors or something.
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exquisite tea posted:It's a flimsy connection because Liara isn't poo poo for most of the timeline this initiative is even being developed, and even when she is, nobody outside of the Normandy crew even knows that she's the Shadow Broker. Nobody gives a poo poo about her research into the Protheans, most of the galaxy isn't even aware of the Reaper threat at all. Regardless of any in-game continuity, the reason for including her VA is "we have no confidence people will like our game without it containing endless references to the original," so brace yourselves for many more tortuous callbacks. lol about getting this mad an coming to this conclusion from an easter egg/cameo voiceover.
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Mar 8, 2017 19:54
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Please save this thread Barons Cyber Skull. We cannot save ourselves.
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What if it isn't even Liara, but her half-hanar half-sister with a hundred years of tenure at Thessia U?
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Mar 8, 2017 19:55
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After watching that IGN video about the Nexus I'm having my expectations lowered again. 
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Mar 8, 2017 19:57
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Captain Oblivious posted:The entire point of Andromeda is to jettison the toxic elements of Mass Effect (the ending and by extension the Reapers) while keeping the parts everyone loves. i understand that's what they've said, i'm saying that's how little i trust bioware's word on this
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I swear to god I'll never understand why people will go to such lengths to find fault with something. Who loving cares that they found a flimsy pretext for a brief cameo for a popular character? Did anyone for a second believe that there wouldn't be anything like this, or that there would be a fully believable excuse for it? This is What Is Done in sequels. Bioware is not above it.
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IcePhoenix posted:How did she serve with Asari commandos then You got me there! The pretty brief period between contact with humans and the "present" in the previous games was something I'd forgotten. I remembered that humans were new on the scene, but didn't remember they were THAT new. Carry on.
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Mar 8, 2017 20:07
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I hope Trump has a cameo, gently caress realism.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:I hope Trump has a cameo, gently caress realism. The Archon will remove his helmet and state: Make Andromeda Great Again!
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epenthesis posted:I swear to god I'll never understand why people will go to such lengths to find fault with something. It's not a big deal at all but it is yet another piece of evidence that Bioware lacks confidence in their own writing - which is something they've been struggling with long before Andromeda.
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Lt. Danger posted:It's not a big deal at all but it is yet another piece of evidence that Bioware lacks confidence in their own writing - which is something they've been struggling with long before Andromeda. Or it's just a loving cameo. Jesus christ, go back to making fun of Ryder's tiny head.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:Or it's just a loving cameo. Jesus christ, go back to making fun of Ryder's tiny head. We can't go backwards, we have a new IGN First video to pick apart today
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epenthesis posted:I swear to god I'll never understand why people will go to such lengths to find fault with something.
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I'm hoping the real purpose of the AI will be revealed to be the plans of one or more super wealthy tycoons to setup an empire far enough removed from the Alliance, etc. where they can make their own rules and whatnot. Of course you need a support structure to keep you comfortable so they bring along a few thousand gullible drones. And rather than try to hide it and risk exposure, just do it out in the open claiming it's for the enrichment of knowledge and all that, then solicit public donations and support from governments 
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Codependent Poster posted:lol about getting this mad an coming to this conclusion from an easter egg/cameo voiceover. I'm not really mad or anything, just pointing out how this kind of doesn't make sense. Why do I have to be mad in your own imagining to point out that it's kind of a flimsy pretense for a cameo.
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i posit the ones who are Actually Mad are the ones getting defensive of bioware writing
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Pattonesque posted:some more gameplay footage So this game is literally scifi DA:I? 🤔
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Nevets posted:I'm hoping the real purpose of the AI will be revealed to be the plans of one or more super wealthy tycoons to setup an empire far enough removed from the Alliance, etc. where they can make their own rules and whatnot. Of course you need a support structure to keep you comfortable so they bring along a few thousand gullible drones. And rather than try to hide it and risk exposure, just do it out in the open claiming it's for the enrichment of knowledge and all that, then solicit public donations and support from governments The Andromeda Initiative is actually a Mormon expedition like that one on the Expanse.
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Nevets posted:I'm hoping the real purpose of the AI will be revealed to be the plans of one or more super wealthy tycoons to setup an empire far enough removed from the Alliance, etc. where they can make their own rules and whatnot. Of course you need a support structure to keep you comfortable so they bring along a few thousand gullible drones. And rather than try to hide it and risk exposure, just do it out in the open claiming it's for the enrichment of knowledge and all that, then solicit public donations and support from governments The point of an empire is to rule over masses of foreigners conquered by your in group. The AI is bringing about 100+ thousand people with no more than about 25k from any one species. The idea is absurd.
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Nevets posted:I'm hoping the real purpose of the AI will be revealed to be the plans of one or more super wealthy tycoons to setup an empire far enough removed from the Alliance, etc. where they can make their own rules and whatnot. Of course you need a support structure to keep you comfortable so they bring along a few thousand gullible drones. And rather than try to hide it and risk exposure, just do it out in the open claiming it's for the enrichment of knowledge and all that, then solicit public donations and support from governments I hope it's something like this, especially if it ties in some true horror of colonization perpetrated by the Pathfinder, which is why they chose a young, inexperienced, unquestioning person to be Pathfinder after Alec Ryder. But probably not, lol.
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fridge corn posted:So this game is literally scifi DA:I? 🤔 If the new Mako is at least much faster than the bullshit Inquisition mounts it will all be worth it.
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Admiral Ray posted:I hope it's something like this, especially if it ties in some true horror of colonization perpetrated by the Pathfinder, which is why they chose a young, inexperienced, unquestioning person to be Pathfinder after Alec Ryder. looking forward to bucking the system and establishing Space Socialism
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AngryBooch posted:The Andromeda Initiative is actually a Mormon expedition like that one on the Expanse. Mormons don't have the best track record when it comes to space colonization  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J206CKoG1R0&t=9s
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Cowcaster posted:i posit the ones who are Actually Mad are the ones getting defensive of bioware writing "I'm not mad, you're mad!" I'm gonna fall back on the people claiming the game will be poo poo because of a cameo being the mad ones. Mad about video games.
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Embracing eternal Mass Effect suckitude is actually very Zen.
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I wanted the codex entries to be narrated by Barry White. Your petty complaints can't possibly compare to my ennui at this game arriving 14 years too late.
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FunkMonkey posted:I wanted the codex entries to be narrated by Barry White. Your pretty complaints can't possibly compare to my ennui at this game arriving 14 years too late. I wanted Fran Drescher.
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FunkMonkey posted:I wanted the codex entries to be narrated by Barry White. Your petty complaints can't possibly compare to my ennui at this game arriving 14 years too late. Or Morgan Freeman.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:I wanted Fran Drescher. Gilbert Godfrey
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