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less laughter posted:Ryan: 2 On a scale 1 to 5, how much do those reviewers suck?
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Rocksicles posted:On a scale 1 to 5, how much do those reviewers suck? They're two of the most respected around.
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Mar 8, 2017 10:15
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You mean it's WORSE than Luke Cage? loving hell.
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Mar 8, 2017 10:25
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Norwegian Rudo posted:So, both Sepinwall and Mo Ryan have absolute blood on the floor reviews of Iron Fist out... quote:It’s easily the worst of the Netflix Marvel shows — where the others tend to start off well and then run into massive pacing problems around episode 8 or 9, Iron Fist begins as if it’s already at that sag point — and an unfortunate illustration of the perils of miscasting.  e: Snak posted:Oh no. Based on Sepinwall's review, it looks like by episode 6 Danny still doesn't get to the CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK fucked around with this message at 10:33 on Mar 8, 2017 |
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Mar 8, 2017 10:27
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BSam posted:guys, it's marvel Counterpoint: every season of a Marvel Netflix show aside from maybe Daredevil s1 has only had half a season of actually good material. If Iron Fist's front half is bad that's a terrible sign because usually they at least have the courtesy to start strong before petering out.
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Mar 8, 2017 14:05
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Most of those guys super overrated the other 3 too so imagine how bad it has to be to get that reaction.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:34
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Man, I went into this with pretty low expectations and this sounds rough
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Mar 8, 2017 16:16
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Guy Mann posted:Counterpoint: every season of a Marvel Netflix show aside from maybe Daredevil s1 has only had half a season of actually good material. If Iron Fist's front half is bad that's a terrible sign because usually they at least have the courtesy to start strong before petering out. 
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Mar 8, 2017 18:34
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Rocksicles posted:It only gets better. Very glad to hear this Escobarbarian posted:You mean it's WORSE than Luke Cage? loving hell. Maybe they're like me and checked out after 1 and a half episodes so they're not even counting that one
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Mar 8, 2017 20:52
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Snak posted:Ironically, if Danny Rand retired from drama to go be a lumberjack in the woods (can there be lumberjacks anywhere else?) It would be a neat arc. In 2017? On stage at a rock and roll show.
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Mar 8, 2017 21:09
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Norwegian Rudo posted:It's Scott (Lumberjack Dexter) Buck. Don't forget that Marvel Studios also put Scott (Lumberjack Dexter) Buck in charge of The Inhumans.
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Mar 8, 2017 23:17
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Timby posted:Don't forget that Marvel Studios also put Scott (Lumberjack Dexter) Buck in charge of The Inhumans. I wouldn't be surprised if that changes reeeeal quick, especially if social media reacts to this show the way the critical press did -- especially after the Asian-American Danny Rand campaign. Marvel has never eaten poo poo like this before. Just for the record, I thought Asian-American Danny Rand would've been cool, but I didn't mind when they went traditional. I think you can get plenty of juice out of a story about a boy of great privilege being forcibly separated from society for years, only to return with an enlightened soul that his old friends and colleagues don't share or understand. It looks like Scott Buck, being Scott Buck, made the absolute least interesting version of that story possible, though.
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Mar 8, 2017 23:27
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I thought Luke Cage was pretty bad so this is a bummer. I thought the casting initially sounded really good and the implied K'un-lun stuff in DD S1 was really neat.
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Mar 8, 2017 23:33
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Like, I don't care a whole lot about the amount of K'un Lun stuff in the first season. I just think it needs to be a lot of sweet fights. Like, at the end of the day, Iron Fist is about punching poo poo really good. Luke Cage is impervious and his character is defined by all the things he can do with his power, Jessica Jones is clever and she figures people out and tries to help them, Daredevil tries to protect the innocent and turns his weakness into a strength. Iron Fist punches poo poo really good. Like, yeah, there's more to Danny Rand than that, but there's not a lot more to Iron Fist. Every Iron Fist is a warrior champion. That's their power: they fought poo poo good enough that they unlocked an upgrade to fight poo poo even better. So like, make it a show about fighting poo poo good. Like, I would be fine if we didn't see a flashback of Shao Lao until season 3, when they have the budget to do justice to a fight between a person and giant immortal CGI dragon. They could do it like Arrow, where the flashbacks are spaced out in parallel with the current storyline. But if the show isn't full of sick fight scenes every episode, then like, why did they even make an Iron Fist show?
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Mar 8, 2017 23:39
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Eh. I've mostly enjoyed all the Marvel Netflix series. DD S2 was badly paced and tried to do too much and Luke Cage had a way better first half than second half. And I guess Jessica Jones could just be too emotionally grueling for some. But I've gotten more good than bad out of all of them so I'll reserve judgment until I actually see Iron Fist.
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Mar 8, 2017 23:50
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Daredevil was good except for the ninja stuff. Less ninjas and more Punisher/Kingpin please.
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Mar 8, 2017 23:57
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Daredevil s2 would have been better just focusing on one or the other. It felt like two different seasons that they tried to haphazardly mash together.
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Mar 9, 2017 01:36
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I'd have to rewatch it to give a fair analysis, but yeah, the main problem with DD S2 is it tries to fit too much into one short season. Punisher, Elektra, Kingpin. Then in the end you have The Hand which have gotten no real time and come off like generic foot soldiers from a cartoon that just mean nothing. If it had been a full season about Elektra and the Hand it probably would have been better. If it had been a full season about Punisher and Kingpin it probably would have been better. If it had been a season about Punisher and Elektra with no Hand or Kingpin it could have been better. But it tried to squeeze them all in and make them all fit and it was a bit of a rushed mess with really shallow parts due to time and focus.
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Mar 9, 2017 01:54
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OMG The Americans came back last night? Why didn't you guys tell me?!
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Mar 9, 2017 02:28
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Imposters 5 episodes is already better than half the shows on TV.
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Mar 9, 2017 02:29
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Josh Lyman posted:OMG The Americans came back last night? Why didn't you guys tell me?! I watched it this morning. I love that show.
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Mar 9, 2017 02:42
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I only just found out that Last Man On Earth is back and the newest episode only drove home how much better the show would be if it was just an anthology series about comedians playing people dealing with living through the apocalypse instead of being a melodrama about a bunch of morons in a giant house being mean to each other. https://i.imgur.com/BWDkEnZ.gifv
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Mar 9, 2017 02:51
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Guy Mann posted:I only just found out that Last Man On Earth is back and the newest episode only drove home how much better the show would be if it was just an anthology series about comedians playing people dealing with living through the apocalypse instead of being a melodrama about a bunch of morons in a giant house being mean to each other. I watch it, but I really cannot stand Will Forte's character most of the time. He's alright when he's just a basic goofy guy with some crazy ideas, but sometimes they dial it up to 11 and it just becomes too over the top. I agree that it needs more episodes like this. Standalone stories would definitely improve it.
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I bailed on LMOE after they killed off black Phil and regular Phil's brother made it to earth. I'm kind of surprised the show is still on, I've heard almost nothing about it since then.DivisionPost posted:Just for the record, I thought Asian-American Danny Rand would've been cool, but I didn't mind when they went traditional. I think you can get plenty of juice out of a story about a boy of great privilege being forcibly separated from society for years, only to return with an enlightened soul that his old friends and colleagues don't share or understand. Unfortunately for them, Arrow is a show that already exists. raditts fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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Mar 9, 2017 03:05
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I wonder if one day the kids who grew up when multicam sitcoms were popular will make YouTube videos where they edit out all the cutaways and times people emote to the camera to prove that the format is objectively terrible in the same way that people currently think it's a masterstroke to edit the audience reactions out of single camera sitcoms to show that they're all garbage.
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Mar 9, 2017 04:21
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Already been done dude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnedYYgg3N0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_m1DDdbqkc
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Mar 9, 2017 04:25
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Guy Mann posted:I wonder if one day the kids who grew up when multicam sitcoms were popular will make YouTube videos where they edit out all the cutaways and times people emote to the camera to prove that the format is objectively terrible in the same way that people currently think it's a masterstroke to edit the audience reactions out of single camera sitcoms to show that they're all garbage. You've also confused your multicams and singlecams. Don't they mute the audience laughter to try and demonstrate its not funny? If a singlecam comedy isn't funny, isn't the evidence right there on screen?
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Mar 9, 2017 04:43
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Looten Plunder posted:You've also confused your multicams and singlecams. Yeah, a single cam isn't going to have the laugh track, but the device that is over used, at least in two wildly successful shows (The Office and Parks and Rec) is that cut away to the camera, and/or "Jimming". Its still a style that works and serves a purpose. The Office definitely over used it and full on committed to it being a documentary crew. Parks and Rec just kind of had a chance for you to hear the inner thoughts of a character, without it being a full on "mockumentary".
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swickles posted:Yeah, a single cam isn't going to have the laugh track, but the device that is over used, at least in two wildly successful shows (The Office and Parks and Rec) is that cut away to the camera, and/or "Jimming". Its still a style that works and serves a purpose. The Office definitely over used it and full on committed to it being a documentary crew. Parks and Rec just kind of had a chance for you to hear the inner thoughts of a character, without it being a full on "mockumentary". I'm sure there are a handful of others, but outside of those two, the UK Office, and Modern Family do any other single cam sitcoms actually do it? It's hardly some epidemic that's used in every half hour comedy show.
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Mar 9, 2017 05:00
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Josh Lyman posted:OMG The Americans came back last night? Why didn't you guys tell me?! I did
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Mar 9, 2017 05:06
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I know I said it last year but man, this year's season finale for Man Seeking Woman really seemed like a series finale. It's going to be kind of hard to continue the show under that name when Josh just got married. Also they redid the raining fish gag from the first episode which seems like it was meant to bookend things.
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Mar 9, 2017 05:08
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Rocksicles posted:Imposters 5 episodes is already better than half the shows on TV.
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Mar 9, 2017 06:03
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muscles like this! posted:I know I said it last year but man, this year's season finale for Man Seeking Woman really seemed like a series finale. It's going to be kind of hard to continue the show under that name when Josh just got married. Also they redid the raining fish gag from the first episode which seems like it was meant to bookend things. Regardless, it was a great episode. The season was a bit off because it's about Josh's relationship with Lucy and not about Josh dating around, but it was never a wasted watch.
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Haha, from Dan Fienberg's review:quote:Subtext. Daredevil's Matt Murdock is driven by his Catholic guilt, Jessica Jones by traumatic assault and consent issues and Luke Cage by America's multi-century history of imperiled black masculinity. Iron Fist arrives in a deep hole amid concerns about its curly-haired, blonde protagonist appropriating Asian culture, but the bigger problem ends up being that he's barely even appropriating. There's no specificity to Danny's experience other than the most generic of identity crises — like the world needed another billionaire vigilante — and Jones is far too placid a leading man to give any sense of Danny's internal torment. He's not placid in a Zen way, just tepid like room temperature. Rather than being a man who found enlightenment through tragedy and disassociation from his upbringing, Danny comes across like a spoiled frat boy who took a comparative religion class and spends a few months picking up coeds by telling them he's totally into meditation and tai chi now.
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Mar 9, 2017 09:54
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Holy hell, is Legion ever good TV.
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Mar 9, 2017 09:59
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DrVenkman posted:Haha, from Dan Fienberg's review: This is why i don't read reviews. Someone always has an axe to grind. This cultural appropriation poo poo rubs me the wrong way. You can't have a society where people aren't allowed to use any aspect of another culture. There are plenty of Asian martial arts movies, the art of kicking someone in the face has no barriers.
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Mar 9, 2017 10:11
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That's fine but it's also the case that I never see an Asian protagonist get martial arts training in some buddhist temple and then come back to America to kick some rear end. Why can't that happen once. The cultural appropriation thing isn't even his main complain anyway. Everyone says it's boring.
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Mar 9, 2017 10:29
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those bloody sjw critics!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mar 9, 2017 10:37
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Escobarbarian posted:those bloody sjw critics!!!!!!!!!!! I'm avoided saying that, it's dismissive and too broad a brush for rational discussion. I save that for people who yell over you while you're talking. Homeslice might have an axe to grind or is professionally angry, i don't know who he is. Sticking to the show reviews would be good, arguing arbitrary politics and theory crafting reasons for drama, no one bats an eyelid when this stuff happens 99% of the time. China sells it's culture wholesale, literally. Being angry at a film producer or actor is pathetic. Rocksicles fucked around with this message at 12:24 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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Rocksicles posted:This is why i don't read reviews. Someone always has an axe to grind. It's a show in which I white man explains the ~true~ meaning of martial arts to his Asian sidekick. To somehow not mention any of that would be entirely worse. Media has had a long long history with the White Saviour trope. Even if it's handled well it's still a loaded image. That IRON FIST so callously just blusters through it (As almost every review has mentioned), probably deserves to be pointed out. None of this "axe grinding" bullshit is needed.
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