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Asehujiko posted:A good overview of everybody's economic positions but it glosses over international policy, which is the main reason why I'm not voting for SP or PvdD. Both are anti-europe and a left wing nexit will not be any less catastrophic than a right wing one under Wilders, socialists being russophiles on top of that and the animal party supports all kinds of woo like being antivax. Yeah I realized after an hour of talking we didn't even bring up how each party relates to the EU and how EU politics get mixed in with Dutch politics. We are planning to do a follow up after the election and I want to get into how the "winners" of the election will interact with EU politics.
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9-Volt Assault posted:Vaccineren Giant leap from there to being antivaxxers though. I agree it's not a great look.
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I feel ''the government cannot force you to vaccinate/be a donor/whatever" is a defensible position to take, even though i think that vaccination should be mandatory. I do wonder how they feel about that whole being forced to work in return for your benefits that more and more municipalities are doing, but i cant find anything in their program about this issue.
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Osmosisch posted:Giant leap from there to being antivaxxers though. I agree it's not a great look.
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Asehujiko posted:I've had the misfortune of having been around a lot of antivaxxers, this is straight up "as a mommy I know what's best/MAH SOVEREIGNTY" antivaxxery. It's "I'm not racist, I just look at crime statistics and there's definitely a correlation between browns and crime" but for killing one's own children first. It's basically the status quo position (vaccines are not currently obligatory) so I read it as neutral. There's nothing in there about statistics, bullshit formaldehyde/chemicals or whatever which is the usual antivaxx line. But hey, I'm not looking for an excuse not to vote for them so whatevs.
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the Pvdd wanted parliament to investigate chemtrails until 4 months ago and still believes the weather is currently being influenced by climate engineering.
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NihilismNow posted:the Pvdd wanted parliament to investigate chemtrails until 4 months ago and still believes the weather is currently being influenced by climate engineering. No, they just had a line that came down to "there is no prove chemtrails exist" because people kept talking about it, but it's gone now.
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is that hardcore calvinist party making inroads?
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They've been steadily occupying 2-3 seats for the past century, the most stable party around. Either you and your family vote for it, or you don't. It is pretty much obligatory to vote for them in certain social circles in certain areas, and all other people wouldn't think about voting for them.
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get that OUT of my face posted:is that hardcore calvinist party making inroads? No, but they were recently forced to include women as candidates, and now they have some women who campaign for the repeal of that.
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Yeah to give an idea the SGP voted against women suffrage. Then when it inevitably passed, they urged women not to vote anyway. This is 1918-1922. However, only as recently as 1989 they have made their formal position that women should decide for themselves whether they vote. In 1993 they made it their formal policy that women can't be members of the party. Not until 2006 they were forced to accept women members. The whole basis for this is the man-woman power relation from the bible. They are very consistent in their support, polling consistently at around 2% of the population for about a century.
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9-Volt Assault posted:No, they just had a line that came down to "there is no prove chemtrails exist" because people kept talking about it, but it's gone now. quote:Er is wel sprake van Climate Engineering, chemische stoffen die in de lucht gebracht worden om het weer te beïnvloeden. Zie hier voor meer informatie. Ok, chemtrails aren't real. But let me tell you about these CHEMICALS that are used for climate engineering. *links to a site that discusses theoretical use of climate and geo engineering*. PVDD's veneer of sanity is quite thin. The fact that they were willing to entertain chemtrails to begin with should clue people in to that. True leftists should keep voting SP who are at least grounded in reality and not a facade for a creepy cult.
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The SGP exists to represent the Dutch reformed churches and that's something your basically born into or not.
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NihilismNow posted:https://www.partijvoordedieren.nl/items/chemtrails 1. actually left 2. sane 3. not traitors pick two 1+2=SP 1+3=PvdD 2+3=GL/D66/PvdA The way I see it, further fragmentation of the union will only lead to more eastern countries getting crimea'd and from personal experience I know that while they appear leftist in their larval stage, alt med/anti vax/"spiritual" nuts will happily horsehoe theory themselves over to the right through a process of healing crystals=>big pharma=>banksters=>jewish bankers=>sieg heil and can not be relied upon to actually stay left when they're actually needed the most. We can put the neoliberals up against the wall when this is over, we can't do the same with little green men.
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Asehujiko posted:If you don't mind the Putin fanboyism, yeah. Remember which side of the Wilders waving his(and Putin's) dick in Ukraine's face referendum they were on. SP are good people for city councils but please do not let them anywhere near foreign policy.
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Asehujiko posted:If you don't mind the Putin fanboyism, yeah. Remember which side of the Wilders waving his(and Putin's) dick in Ukraine's face referendum they were on. SP are good people for city councils but please do not let them anywhere near foreign policy. You're posting a lot of "sp = putin" scare mongering without anything to back up your claims
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i have to ask, what exactly did Dutch Labour do to be staring down the face of an absolute electoral wipeout
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TheIllestVillain posted:i have to ask, what exactly did Dutch Labour do to be staring down the face of an absolute electoral wipeout Execute neoliberal policy for several decades.
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TheIllestVillain posted:i have to ask, what exactly did Dutch Labour do to be staring down the face of an absolute electoral wipeout Absolutely nothing. Which is a problem when they were the ones governing. Essentially they have just had a civil war and have been happily marching along with neoliberal policy for the last 4 years. Namarrgon has issued a correction as of 10:30 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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TheIllestVillain posted:i have to ask, what exactly did Dutch Labour do to be staring down the face of an absolute electoral wipeout
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Jeoh posted:You're posting a lot of "sp = putin" scare mongering without anything to back up your claims https://georgeknightlang.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/sp-stemt-in-eu-parlement-met-pvv-tegen-rusland-politiek-van-eu/(actual response email is in the comments) https://www.sp.nl/nieuws/2015/04/tiny-kox-in-moskou-stop-sancties-ga-praten https://www.sp.nl/opinie/harry-van-bommel/2016/navo-top-zet-rusland-verder-onder-druk Sure, it's NATO/EU driving up the tensions, not the Russian artillery currently bombarding Avdiivka right now  .TheIllestVillain posted:i have to ask, what exactly did Dutch Labour do to be staring down the face of an absolute electoral wipeout
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Boy do I have the video for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoHqVWcN3Pg&t=1s In Dutch only I'm afraid. A real shame because it's basically MTV cribs for politicians.
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Asehujiko posted:https://www.sp.nl/nieuws/2015/10/sp-zegt-nee-tegen-associatieverdrag-met-oekraine The whole mess with Ukraine started because NATO was putting heavy pressure on Ukraine to join and was also funding neo-Nazis to help overthrow the pro-Russia government there.
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Fiction posted:The whole mess with Ukraine started because NATO was putting heavy pressure on Ukraine to join and was also funding neo-Nazis to help overthrow the pro-Russia government there. I'll have what he's having
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Fiction posted:The whole mess with Ukraine started because NATO was putting heavy pressure on Ukraine to join and was also funding neo-Nazis to help overthrow the pro-Russia government there. nice username/post combo
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The only moral proxy war is my proxy war
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Junior G-man posted:Boy do I have the video for you: I remember MTV Cribs doing a comparison between Bush and Kerry and they thought Bush owned more cool stuff so should probably be re-elected.
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do none of y'all know who Right Sector are.
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Fiction posted:do none of y'all know who Right Sector are.
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Fiction posted:do none of y'all know who Right Sector are. Sorry man, you didn't get the memo that Russia is the source of all evil in this world, and NATO and the USA did nothing wrong.
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NihilismNow posted:https://www.partijvoordedieren.nl/items/chemtrails SP, the ''capitalism is cool and good but just needs more rules'' dudes, just like PvdA/GL. No thanks. Fine for a coalition but not to vote for.
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https://twitter.com/MkBlyth/status/840278908389978112 Lol France
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"let the boomers die" isn't a viable strategy in france. well, it isn't anywhere else either, but especially not when the young generation leans fascist
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