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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
| Total: | 510 votes | ||
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It's also complacent. Edit: as the 146 souls on board the doomed submarine Kursk contemplated their fate, they all agreed it was extremely unfair.
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jabby posted:Unless you're advocating for Corbyn going out knocking on doors, any message Labour puts out has got to be picked up and reported by the media. So what do you want them to be saying that would be better than what they're currently saying?
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Mar 9, 2017 01:20
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jBrereton posted:"This government has seen more paperwork, and now higher taxes for people running small businesses. Unacceptable. Labour will not add to your burdens if we are the next government." That doesn't roll off the tongue in quite the same way
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Mar 9, 2017 01:21
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"Surrey council" is not rolling off anyone's tongues tonight.
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Mar 9, 2017 01:23
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Namtab posted:That doesn't roll off the tongue in quite the same way
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Mar 9, 2017 01:24
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jBrereton posted:"This government has seen more paperwork, and now higher taxes for people running small businesses. Unacceptable. Labour will not add to your burdens if we are the next government." Corbyn basically said that. I've seen RLB and John McDonnell on the news saying that. You can argue they should go harder on it RIGHT THIS SECOND, but I would say that at this point Labour's opinion is less important than getting the message out there that this policy is bad. If you replaced all of tomorrow's headlines with a big picture of Corbyn and the caption 'Corbyn says this is bad!' it would only hurt your case since people expect him to say that. Let people hate this policy first, then prolong the media attention and keep the focus on it by saying what you would do instead.
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Mar 9, 2017 01:26
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jabby posted:Corbyn basically said that. When?
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Mar 9, 2017 01:29
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jBrereton posted:I'm sure they can finesse it a bit, but it's better than "bluh it's unfair" yeah okay mate or "what about this thing where the Tories do favours for people who vote for them, instead we should treat everyone exactly equally PS vote for us despite this" The whole point of socialism is that people get treated equally
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Mar 9, 2017 01:30
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Namtab posted:The whole point of socialism is that people get treated equally I thought the point was that each was treated according to their needs?
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Mar 9, 2017 01:34
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jabby posted:Corbyn basically said that. I've seen RLB and John McDonnell on the news saying that. quote:You can argue they should go harder on it RIGHT THIS SECOND, but I would say that at this point Labour's opinion is less important than getting the message out there that this policy is bad. If you replaced all of tomorrow's headlines with a big picture of Corbyn and the caption 'Corbyn says this is bad!' it would only hurt your case since people expect him to say that. Let people hate this policy first, then prolong the media attention and keep the focus on it by saying what you would do instead. Namtab posted:The whole point of socialism is that people get treated equally
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Mar 9, 2017 01:36
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crispix posted:They do have an online cyber-shop but they have taken down all the really tacky ornaments they used to sell on it.
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Mar 9, 2017 01:40
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It used to be like an extremely dark St Patrick's day stall.
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jBrereton posted:Since they have literally no policies atm until some kind of democratic policy bollocks is finished (and I don't think your kokoro wisher voting members are wanting less regulation of the ~petit bourgeoisie~) that seems like a stretch. jBrereton posted:When the opposition is so ineffectual and despised that it has to leave the media to do its job (and they will pick up on this and back off next time), why would anyone vote for them? It's not a question of 'having to' do anything. The best you could come up with to add to the current media furore is a footnote basically saying 'P.S. Labour wouldn't do this'. Don't you think there's mileage in prolonging the negative coverage instead?
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Mar 9, 2017 01:40
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OK. How's about new regs, which are probably more important. Will there be new taxes on the self employed if they win at the next election?quote:It's not a question of 'having to' do anything. The best you could come up with to add to the current media furore is a footnote basically saying 'P.S. Labour wouldn't do this'. Don't you think there's mileage in prolonging the negative coverage instead?
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Mar 9, 2017 01:42
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what I'm saying is don't be complacent
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Mar 9, 2017 01:47
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jBrereton posted:"This government has seen more paperwork, and now higher taxes for people running small businesses. Unacceptable. Labour will not add to your burdens if we are the next government." You mean messages like these? https://twitter.com/uklabour/status/839463194582269953 https://twitter.com/uklabour/status/839465112696147968 https://twitter.com/uklabour/status/839468274773606401
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Mar 9, 2017 01:49
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jBrereton posted:OK. How's about new regs, which are probably more important. Will there be new taxes on the self employed if they win at the next election? Seriously? You want Labour to interrupt the coverage of this unpopular new policy on the very first day by announcing new policies of their own, which they presumably made up on the fly? You realise this would open themselves up to analysis and criticism and actively help to take the focus off the Tories? I'm not saying it's a terrible idea, but the time to do it is definitely not before the first negative headlines have even broken about this tax increase. jBrereton posted:The media decides how long it prolongs negative coverage, not Labour. So Labour can't influence the media, except for right now when apparently they can.
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Mar 9, 2017 01:49
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jBrereton posted:
yes, treating people equally doesn't mean treating them the same It does mean not offering mates rates to allied councils tho
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Mar 9, 2017 01:52
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Negative feelings towards the Government while a good thing isn't necessarily a boon for the opposition. At some point they have to do something to capitalise upon that sentiment. I mean you can look at the SNP as a perfect example of a party that capitalises on any negative response to the government. Regardless of how you feel about Blair he won his first election by taking the sentiment against the Tories and providing an alternative. The Lib Dems capitalised in the lead up to the 2010 election by seizing on dissatisfaction towards the other two major parties. You have to be proactive, even if it is just laying out how you would do something different. McDonnells tweet is a start, but you only have to look at the limited number of likes and retweets to see how limited that reach is from that outlet. I honestly would love to see an op ed in one of the papers in the next couple of days from either Corbyn or McDonnell. Something to capitalise on this news cycle and make it their own. Tomorrow is perhaps too soon, but they really have to do something. Particularly before one of the other parties seizes the momentum first. The Surrey thing just doesn't have legs at the moment, it's going to be overshadowed by the Budget and the consequences of it for the foreseeable. jabby posted:Seriously? You want Labour to interrupt the coverage of this unpopular new policy on the very first day by announcing new policies of their own, which they presumably made up on the fly? I would kind of hope the Labour party would have policies in mind about how they would manage the economy that didn't need to be made up on the fly.
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Mar 9, 2017 01:58
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Skinty McEdger posted:Tomorrow is perhaps too soon, This is literally what we're arguing about. No-one is saying Labour should do nothing, Pissflaps and jBrereton are just mad because they don't think they've done enough already.
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Mar 9, 2017 02:01
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Haha like any paper would publish a corbyn op-ed
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Mar 9, 2017 02:02
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IMHO Corbyn is bad at media strategy because he doesn't appeal to my unassailable gut instincts of what media strategy would be best. Also I don't like him anyway. Yes my opinion is really valuable at this point in time
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Mar 9, 2017 02:03
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On policy, here is the current Labour Party policy framework, as voted for unanimously by the NEC. Here is the more detailed policy framework on the NHS specifically.
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Mar 9, 2017 02:07
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I wish he'd say gently caress more.
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Mar 9, 2017 02:09
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Namtab posted:Haha like any paper would publish a corbyn op-ed OwlFancier posted:I wish he'd say gently caress more.
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Mar 9, 2017 02:20
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Seaside loafers's mum? E:got the person wrong, corrected
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Mar 9, 2017 02:24
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Pissflaps posted:It's not odd. It's waffly, unfocused bullshit that ignores the single newsworthy point that the Tories broke a manifesto pledge. Corbyn is poo poo. You're just saying everything he does is "poo poo" now. You've abandoned the tiny bit of truth that makes a good troll. You're just being a dick now.
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Mar 9, 2017 02:37
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my headline message would be "thieving tory bastards" personally
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Mar 9, 2017 08:13
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Regarde Aduck posted:You're just saying everything he does is "poo poo" now. You've abandoned the tiny bit of truth that makes a good troll. You're just being a dick now. And you're being Aduck. Excited for Phils interview on Today in a few mins
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Mar 9, 2017 08:54
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I found this pretty interesting from Samuel L Jackson. http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39192560/samuel-l-jackson-dont-cast-british-actors-in-films-about-us-race-relations Also I haven't seen get out yet but it's supposed to be really good so I feel I need to go and see it before it gets spoiled.
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Mar 9, 2017 09:21
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hammond is getting slaughtered for this budget   https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/839753119319871488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Jose fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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Mar 9, 2017 10:01
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Jippa posted:I found this pretty interesting from Samuel L Jackson. Mr Jackson obviously hasn't seen the episode of Downton Abbey where the posh girl fancied the jazz singer and how well that went down.
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Mar 9, 2017 10:02
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Dead Goon posted:Mr Jackson obviously hasn't seen the episode of Downton Abbey where the posh girl fancied the jazz singer and how well that went down. I remember them discussing this on QI. When the US soldiers came over in WW2 they would refuse to drink in the same pubs and eat in the same places/travel on the same trains as non white people. But we had no alternatives so it caused loads of friction. What an odd situation.
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Mar 9, 2017 10:10
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Am I the only one who is finding how much flak the government is taking weird, over what feels like a "business as usual" budget? Like of all the things to criticise in this or previous budgets the "white van man" tax seems pretty small fry. Not that I'm complaining mind.
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Mar 9, 2017 10:14
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MikeCrotch posted:Am I the only one who is finding how much flak the government is taking weird, over what feels like a "business as usual" budget? Like of all the things to criticise in this or previous budgets the "white van man" tax seems pretty small fry. https://twitter.com/RobDotHutton/status/839756946190319616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Mar 9, 2017 10:32
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MikeCrotch posted:Am I the only one who is finding how much flak the government is taking weird, over what feels like a "business as usual" budget? Like of all the things to criticise in this or previous budgets the "white van man" tax seems pretty small fry. People also seem quite mad about the return of grammar schools. Also, the NIC increase isn't really a "white van man" tax. More people than ever are technically unemployed (just shy of 5 million as of a year ago), it's the brave new world of the gig economy. Go look at the Universal Jobsearch website, see how many vacancies in your area are "self-employment opportunity" swindles, where you effectively work for another company but get no union recognition, nothing like maternity or holiday pay and even have to work out your own taxes rather than just have them deducted PAYE style. But the main reason the press hate it? As the gig economy trend has grown, newspapers have lowered their contracted staff numbers & increased the number of freelancers they use. And freelancers are self-employed. So of course the press don't like it. Still doesn't mean it's a good thing.
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Mar 9, 2017 10:46
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Lol there's someone in the comments arguing that the broken tuition fee pledge wasn't a significant factor in the lib dem collapse. Seems like a severe case of "I don't see what the big deal is (and/or even agree with the policy), so clearly it didn't matter to anyone".
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Mar 9, 2017 10:47
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MikeCrotch posted:Am I the only one who is finding how much flak the government is taking weird, over what feels like a "business as usual" budget? Like of all the things to criticise in this or previous budgets the "white van man" tax seems pretty small fry. Shows you how much tolerance sections of the press have for tax rises - even when ostensibly spun as being for financing social care
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Mar 9, 2017 10:50
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forkboy84 posted:People also seem quite mad about the return of grammar schools. I always like to point out to people that Thatcher of all people said introducing grammar schools were the biggest mistake the Tories ever made, for the simple fact that by definition you are pleasing 10% of the population and pissing off the other 90%.
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Mar 9, 2017 10:55
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Nick Robinson called Hammond 'Spreadshit Phil' on air. Now it's a hashtag. What a lovely day.
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