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Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce | 44 | 21.36% | |
ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress | 19 | 9.22% | |
Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin | 9 | 4.37% | |
Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country | 14 | 6.80% | |
ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit | 8 | 3.88% | |
Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died | 24 | 11.65% | |
Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country | 14 | 6.80% | |
ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread | 17 | 8.25% | |
ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter | 15 | 7.28% | |
ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming | 2 | 0.97% | |
Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy | 10 | 4.85% | |
ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union | 5 | 2.43% | |
ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die | 25 | 12.14% | |
Total: | 206 votes |
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Coohoolin posted:What's so insane about letting EU citizens resident in Scotland vote? Case in point.
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# ? Feb 25, 2017 16:27 |
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# ? Jun 10, 2024 12:18 |
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Jedit posted:Case in point. Again. I'm not an EU citizen.
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# ? Feb 25, 2017 16:31 |
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Extreme0 posted:In all seriousness I wouldn't mind because it would be amusing karma for the Tories not giving EU nationals the vote because they knew they would likely stop Brexit. Otherwise I would be against having it solely Scots only. Fair's fair right?
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# ? Feb 25, 2017 16:58 |
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Hahaha obsessed.
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# ? Mar 1, 2017 13:05 |
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Better he attacks me than another young black woman. Nice to get such publicity though. Hopefully he'll do one on Hillsborough.
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# ? Mar 1, 2017 13:09 |
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Jesus that's tragic.
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# ? Mar 1, 2017 13:41 |
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Seek help, flaps
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# ? Mar 1, 2017 13:57 |
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I did - the doctor told me that it was a good point and a few tweets over a couple of years isn't something to worry about.
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# ? Mar 1, 2017 14:08 |
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I thought about giving coohoolin a hard time for posting stuff from wings, since he swore he'd give it up after learning about Stuart Campbell's Hillsborough stupidity. But honestly I'm glad you did! You need to stop reading wings through, because even ignoring that stuart campbell is an obnoxious idiot, it's loving awful
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# ? Mar 1, 2017 16:29 |
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There was a Wings post about the Scottish Young Labour committee speaking out against Kezia Dugdale and the comments there were some of the best I've ever seen so I like Wings now.
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# ? Mar 1, 2017 16:52 |
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Niric posted:I thought about giving coohoolin a hard time for posting stuff from wings, since he swore he'd give it up after learning about Stuart Campbell's Hillsborough stupidity. But honestly I'm glad you did! Yeah. It's reassuring Pissflaps is just as creepy & dull on Twitter but Wings is pish and Campbell is a twat. Anyway, in more important news https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/836946407202385920
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# ? Mar 1, 2017 17:17 |
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forkboy84 posted:Yeah. It's reassuring Pissflaps is just as creepy & dull on Twitter but Wings is pish and Campbell is a twat. Ironic considering the sheer quantity of posts you make about me. forkboy84 posted:Anyway, in more important news It's an amusing coincidence.
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# ? Mar 1, 2017 17:22 |
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Pissflaps posted:Ironic considering the sheer quantity of posts you make about me. 14A: 12 introduces the beginning of the end, heralded by that wings man, spin and leaving us for another xenophobe.
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# ? Mar 1, 2017 18:12 |
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lol in more serious news, the economic state for independence continues to be a worry https://www.ft.com/content/9ca2e846-fe82-11e6-96f8-3700c5664d30 quote:Ahead of the 2014 referendum on Scottish independence, Paul Marsh and Scott Evans of London Business School compiled a Scotsie 100 index of quoted companies domiciled north of the border, and backdated it to 1955. They found that Scottish stocks performed broadly in line with UK stocks until late 2007. Thereafter, they diverged sharply, thanks mainly to the near collapse of RBS. With RBS (and HBOS, before its merger with Lloyds) stripped out, Scotland outperformed the rest of the UK from 1955 to 2014. Scots shares returned 12.9 per cent a year against 12.6 per cent for “rUK” (rest of the UK) stocks.
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# ? Mar 1, 2017 23:43 |
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I feel a bit bad for David Mundell, at least for a Tory. Dude was looking forward to hanging around on some back benches and not making much noise about anything of import and then as luck and FPTP and a (couple of) referendum(s) would have it he now has to look remotely charismatic in front of a camera on behalf of an entire party. Poor chap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLhZiEaefmw
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# ? Mar 4, 2017 00:35 |
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Sturgeon: Autumn 2018 'common sense' for indyref2 I'm honestly surprised by this. Even with the caveats and the fact that the SNP wanting another referendum is self evident, I didn't expect sturgeon to take a position about timing, even a tentative one, until polls were much more obviously shifting. The timing seems strange, albeit it's hard to know when the interview was recorded or if the SNP knew when it was likely to air They presumably don't want it to get buried, but coming in the middle of the budget coverage seems likely to downplay it. It also seems like an attempt to continue the "we should stay in the EU" narrative, which I'm not convinced is a winning one by itself, so partially districting from a not exactly popular budget and the potential to hammer the tories both on lack of public spending AND on hitting "small businesses" seems a mistake. quote:Scotland's first minister has said autumn 2018 would be a "common sense" date for any second independence referendum.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 09:25 |
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A referendum too soon would most likely result in a defeat. I can only imagine this date has been floated to appease nationalists who demand that another referendum takes place at all, in the hope that events conspire to turn more people Yes/Leave. What this would mean for Scotland's EU membership would be interesting as surely this would mean independence after the UK has left the EU.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 09:58 |
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Pissflaps posted:A referendum too soon would most likely result in a defeat. I can only imagine this date has been floated to appease nationalists who demand that another referendum takes place at all, in the hope that events conspire to turn more people Yes/Leave. When do you think would be best to run another independence referendum, from the perspective of Nats?
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 10:48 |
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forkboy84 posted:When do you think would be best to run another independence referendum, from the perspective of Nats? I think any shock to no voters from Brexit has already been absorbed, with people now preparing for the hardest of Brexits. I think the process of negotiation will harden attitudes on both sides rather than pushing a significant number of people from one side to the other. I'd say the months immediately following the 2020 Tory election victory would be optimal. Though of course anything can happen in 18 months - autumn 2018 may prove to be the perfect time. Or it might not. It's a gamble and this is the last throw of the nationalist dice.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 10:56 |
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STV poll: Half of Scots would vote for independencequote:Half of Scots would back independence if a fresh referendum was held tomorrow, a poll for STV News has found. Interesting stuff, although Ipsos have been more favourable to the SNP in polling as of late. I still stand by that if the SNP break 40% in first preferences on the actual day then that would be a truly jaw dropping result.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 11:03 |
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I think that if there's another referendum the result will be closer than Brexit.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 11:23 |
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I imagine UKIP might actually start getting the odd council seat or two at those numbers. Not enough to actually do anything but I'm sure they'll claim they're winning over the populace. Also glad to hear the Scottish Greens are apparently on 85 percent, all hail king patrick
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 12:10 |
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Pissflaps posted:I think any shock to no voters from Brexit has already been absorbed, with people now preparing for the hardest of Brexits. I think the process of negotiation will harden attitudes on both sides rather than pushing a significant number of people from one side to the other. You're probably right. We're not getting automatically into the EU whatever happens, so rushing to hold the referendum before Brexit actually happens is pointless. Also, the Greens beating the Liberals to become the 4th party in Scottish politics is absolutely a huge positive.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 12:43 |
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Leggsy posted:STV poll: Half of Scots would vote for independence It wouldn't really be jawdropping, since it would be a near repeat of the 2016 Holyrood results, as mentioned before: Niric posted:While that's historically huge for the SNP in council elections (and utterly, utterly dismal and humiliating for Labour given their historic dominance of councils in particular), it's not actually much removed from the 2016 Holyrood elections for the SNP, Tories or the Lib Dems. I know council elections are bit different and. 2012 council elections didn't quite map to the 2011 Holyrood elections, but it's worth noting that this was mostly only true for the SNP (32% council, 44.5ish% Holyrood); Labour, Lib Dems and Tory vote shares were all only a couple of % between the two. So I think it's a fairly plausible poll, even if lower turnout might actually suit Labour for once. [Edit: wrote this quickly just as I got a bunch of work dumped on me, so came across as needlessly narky originally!] Niric fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Mar 9, 2017 |
# ? Mar 9, 2017 13:24 |
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I would think that holding a referendum before Brexit is a bad idea if you want to showcase the amount of damage it can cause, especially when it's being navigated by nasty idiots. 2018 gives at least campaigns almost one year and a half to do their thing unlike Brexit which was only three months. forkboy84 posted:You're probably right. We're not getting automatically into the EU whatever happens, so rushing to hold the referendum before Brexit actually happens is pointless. We would not be getting into the EU automatically anyways since a referendum for joining the EU is required anyways. Pissflaps posted:I think that if there's another referendum the result will be closer than Brexit. The Brexit result was pretty close anyways.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 19:49 |
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Yeah I mean Brexit was close but this will be closer: like Quexit close.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 19:52 |
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I'm still down for the pan-Celtic union of Ireland, NI, and Scotland when Brexit goes fully tits up.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 19:55 |
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Fiction posted:I'm still down for the pan-Celtic union of Ireland, NI, and Scotland when Brexit goes fully tits up. What about the Welsh? And the Cornish? And the Bretons? And Galicia if you really want to stretch things to the point of absurdity? Honestly, I'm not sure I see the point in a pan-Celtic union. It's not as if more connects us culturally to the Irish than the English at this point. Nah, Irish reunification combined with Scottish independence is the perfect solution for my former neighbours when I lived in Kinning Park. These were people who'd fly a UVF flag out their window all summer. Politics purely to spite the Orange Order & their ilk is fine by me.
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# ? Mar 9, 2017 20:06 |
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Pissflaps posted:Yeah I mean Brexit was close but this will be closer: like Quexit close. The referendum to ban portmanteaus ending in -xit, however, will pass in a landslide.
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# ? Mar 10, 2017 01:45 |
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Angepain posted:The referendum to ban portmanteaus ending in -xit, however, will pass in a landslide. No it won't. People still use Gate for anything controversy wise and the public are wrong about everything.
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# ? Mar 10, 2017 04:38 |
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Extreme0 posted:We would not be getting into the EU automatically anyways since a referendum for joining the EU is required anyways. Unless you think the people who voted to stay in the EU would suddenly not want to be part of the EU after voting to leave the UK because it left the EU, we already had that referendum.
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# ? Mar 10, 2017 08:50 |
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Jedit posted:Unless you think the people who voted to stay in the EU would suddenly not want to be part of the EU after voting to leave the UK because it left the EU, we already had that referendum. All countries that have joined the EU have had a referendum at some point. It wouldn't surprise me if we had one regardless.
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# ? Mar 12, 2017 01:49 |
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/12/mhairi-black-may-quit-depressing-parliament-after-single-term-as-mp it's not normal to be talking about quitting only 2 years into being an MP is it
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# ? Mar 12, 2017 21:46 |
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It's not. Sounds like she didn't get the right careers advice.
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# ? Mar 12, 2017 21:55 |
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it sounds like she's just not committing at this point to running again for westminster in three years, which I think is a bit less extreme than talking about quitting. from what i hear westminster is pretty terrible so i can sympathise
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# ? Mar 12, 2017 22:02 |
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I hope she stands again, she's my MP and I've been pretty happy with her work in Parliament. Voted mainly Correctly, given some good speeches, generally seems to care about what happens to Paisley and be keen on the right sort of stuff.
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# ? Mar 12, 2017 22:08 |
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How's her constituency work?
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# ? Mar 12, 2017 22:24 |
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I've not had a reason to visit her surgery myself but she seems to be active in the constituency and brings up its interests in the House.
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# ? Mar 12, 2017 22:36 |
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Lots of speculation over this today: https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/841193369799950336 quote:This morning, I'll make an important speech in Bute House ahead of the triggering of Article 50. Follow @ScotGovFM from 11.30am for updates. Various places and people assuming it's a second indyref announcement, but no one appears to have a source to back that up yet
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# ? Mar 13, 2017 09:27 |
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# ? Jun 10, 2024 12:18 |
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I'd have expected it to say 'announcement' if it was. I expect further superlatives about how much closer, inevitable and more imminent a second referendum is if Scotland is now. Though it does highlight the corner she finds herself in.
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