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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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There's a good article in the FT by Tim Hartford using the tobacco industries 'deny, refute, obfuscate' tactics to talk about Brexit and Trump: https://www.ft.com/content/eef2e2f8-0383-11e7-ace0-1ce02ef0def9 I've put it on pastebin as well if it can't be accessed without an account. http://pastebin.com/index/433NuTfh "Consider the Leave campaign’s infamous bus-mounted claim: “We send the EU £350m a week.” Simple. Memorable. False. But how to rebut it? A typical effort from The Guardian newspaper was headlined, “Why Vote Leave’s £350m weekly EU cost claim is wrong”, repeating the claim before devoting hundreds of words to gnarly details and the dictionary definition of the word “send”. This sort of fact-checking article is invaluable to a fellow journalist who needs the issues set out and hyperlinked. But for an ordinary voter, the likely message would be: “You can’t trust politicians but we do seem to send a lot of money to the EU.” Doubt suited the Leave campaign just fine."
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Mar 9, 2017 12:28
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The FTSE went into utter freefall this morning, anyone know why?
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Mar 9, 2017 12:29
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WMain00 posted:The FTSE went into utter freefall this morning, anyone know why? I have a feeling the extra £2bn in taxes made investors nervous.
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Mar 9, 2017 12:32
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I think the Tories will do one of their U-turns on this.
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http://uk.businessinsider.com/study-brexit-us-economic-impact-single-market-american-chamber-of-commerce-to-eu-report-2017-3 US companies say Brexit puts 1.4 million UK jobs and $593 billion of investment at risk Re: the budget. https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/839789296211079168
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Mar 9, 2017 12:41
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Mar 9, 2017 12:42
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fridge corn posted:penguin tryin ta gulp down a fish
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Mar 9, 2017 12:46
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Mar 9, 2017 12:47
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MikeCrotch posted:Am I the only one who is finding how much flak the government is taking weird, over what feels like a "business as usual" budget? Like of all the things to criticise in this or previous budgets the "white van man" tax seems pretty small fry. As I pointed out yesterday, the NI change affects just about every journalist in the country. Not the wisest battle for him to pick
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Mar 9, 2017 12:48
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The NI change is a distraction. The brexit crunch on the poor is about to hit far harder than 2008. I'm actually with Corbyn on this. (well, assuming he is trying to get at this) The NIC change is a decent political opportunity, but fighting against a progressive tax increase won't help anybody. Fangz fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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Mar 9, 2017 12:50
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I think labour could attack the fact that the Tories have broken a manifesto promise without necessarily attacking the concept of increased NICs for the self employed.
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Mar 9, 2017 13:03
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It's the job of the press to influence public opinion in ways preferable to the capital interests owning/allied to the press assets. That's why continuing to claim corbyn is "bad at the media" is pointless- he could be replaced by a perfect mystery dreamteam of socialists who also do good press releases, unless the policies are favourable to those who own the press they will simply do what they always do. Socialism is not acceptable to the press. Centralism gets you a liberal eating a bacon sandwich, forever. What was interesting was walking in the premier this morning and seeing every headline having a crack at the government. It's been a long honeymoon period for may but the lines are being drawn up within the conservative party and this mornings press release was a pretty stern shot over the bows- this isn't just about the budget. Doomed e.t.c but it's at least something interesting today
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Mar 9, 2017 13:21
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May as well just throw in the towel for socialism then. I mean if the media isn't going to like it and its impossible to do anything with them, whats the point? Lets give up and become centrists.
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Mar 9, 2017 13:24
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Well, centralism also gave us three labour governments.
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Mar 9, 2017 13:26
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WMain00 posted:The FTSE went into utter freefall this morning, anyone know why? https://mobile.twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/839781321551593472
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Mar 9, 2017 13:26
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Wage growth so bad last time it was this bad bicycles didn't exist
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Mar 9, 2017 13:28
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:Wage growth so bad last time it was this bad bicycles didn't exist This is my favourite rage-inducing stat. Sure, wages are stagnant in ways not seen since before the Highland Clearances, but everything is fine, look over there, an immigrant!
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Mar 9, 2017 13:34
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forkboy84 posted:This is my favourite rage-inducing stat. Sure, wages are stagnant in ways not seen since before the Highland Clearances
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Mar 9, 2017 13:37
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If any of you know how do to the evil magic of making gifs go viral please do this one.
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Mar 9, 2017 13:38
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Pissflaps posted:I think the Tories will do one of their U-turns on this. Yep here we go https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/839817476963725313
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Mar 9, 2017 13:41
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The NI hike was a distraction.
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Mar 9, 2017 13:41
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WMain00 posted:The FTSE went into utter freefall this morning, anyone know why?
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Mar 9, 2017 13:43
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Yeah, one of Osbourne's tactics was to build up to something incredibly lovely in the budget so that when they u-turned on it, people would be happy about that instead of mad at the bad poo poo. He usually had the good sense to do the u-turn before the budget so it'd get a good reaction for not doing the bad thing we thought he would.
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Mar 9, 2017 13:44
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Baron Corbyn posted:Yeah, one of Osbourne's tactics was to build up to something incredibly lovely in the budget so that when they u-turned on it, people would be happy about that instead of mad at the bad poo poo. He usually had the good sense to do the u-turn before the budget so it'd get a good reaction for not doing the bad thing we thought he would. https://twitter.com/PaulGoodmanCH/status/839798710972395520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Mar 9, 2017 13:46
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lmao
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Mar 9, 2017 13:47
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Anyone got a good, easily-linksble article about all (or most) of what is poo poo about the budget?
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Mar 9, 2017 13:50
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There's definitely a change in the air - this BBC NHS article would usually have the top comments blaming immigrants and New Labour for the state of the NHS, but they're largely attacking Hunt and the Tories instead.
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Mar 9, 2017 13:53
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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Pissflaps posted:I think labour could attack the fact that the Tories have broken a manifesto promise without necessarily attacking the concept of increased NICs for the self employed. NIC increases for self employed should be conditional on closing all the loopholes abused to pretend employees are self-employed. otherwise Hammond's offering a tax cut on Uber against a tax rise for Uber drivers. a preposterous proposal.
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Mar 9, 2017 14:13
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Darth Walrus posted:Anyone got a good, easily-linksble article about all (or most) of what is poo poo about the budget? https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/budget-day-nonsense.html https://twitter.com/TorstenBell is good also
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Mar 9, 2017 14:23
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This seems pretty close to what people are asking for: https://twitter.com/uklabour/status/839757924687736832 Seriously, half the thread seems to involve ignoring Labour press releases and then claiming they aren't saying anything.
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Mar 9, 2017 14:25
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A lot of this feels like the "Overreach" comments Phil Sandifer made about the right in relation to Milo getting kicked out of the alt-right club. Like, everything is completely hunky-dory despite all the horrible things going on, until suddenly one mistake causes everyone to turn on you overnight. May and Hammond must be wondering what the gently caress just happened after the media have been queuing up to give them blowjobs for the past 6 months. Meanwhile Alistair Heath in the Telegraph is screeching at a level that only dogs can hear: Alistair Heath posted:There are two kinds of politicians, in every country and at every time in history. There are individualists in the mould of Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher, who believe that our salaries and wages are rightfully ours, and that the state should take as little of them as possible.
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Mar 9, 2017 14:28
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MikeCrotch posted:Meanwhile Alistair Heath in the Telegraph is screeching at a level that only dogs can hear:
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Mar 9, 2017 14:36
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The Omnishambolic Raid would be a great title for a book on the landings at Dieppe.
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Mar 9, 2017 15:06
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The instant shift in the past few pages from "Nobody cares about that, why isn't Corbyn saying anything about the budget?!" to "Why isn't Corbyn saying this specific thing about the budget!?" with zero "Okay, maybe he is, but..." in between is really annoying.
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Mar 9, 2017 15:16
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MikeCrotch posted:Meanwhile Alistair Heath in the Telegraph is screeching at a level that only dogs can hear:  It's funny in hindsight how self-assured Hammond seemed seemed about delivering the budget when people like this were evidently yelling "BOLSHEVISM!!!!!!" at their TV sets.
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Mar 9, 2017 15:16
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I'm still amazed at the hot take on the Surrey council thing. 'Labour shouldn't make a thing of this, or everyone will vote Tory next time to get some of those illegal backhanders.'
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Mar 9, 2017 15:19
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You'd think that Tories, of all people, would know just how much their voting base hates taxes.
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Mar 9, 2017 15:26
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Maybe the plan is to just crank up the "starve out the poors" plan up a notch or five, kill them off before the next election and there's no problem, right? 
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