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Marogareh posted:So in route B can anyone tell me how to hijack bots?. I've done it once and only once and the rest of the time they always explode. If you hack a bot before combat has started and it's become aggressive you get more options, namely conversion and direct control. The game doesn't explain it for poo poo, it took me most of route B to figure it out.
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Guess I got the timing wrong because I've tried that a few times and no dice. I'll see if I can do it from a mile away next time.
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Mar 9, 2017 08:30
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The strange man/woman at the resistance camp fill you in on how it works actually.
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Mar 9, 2017 08:31
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Marogareh posted:Guess I got the timing wrong because I've tried that a few times and no dice. I'll see if I can do it from a mile away next time. It's pretty spotty yeah. I think what they had in mind was you would start by hacking a lovely nonaggressive bot or something and use that to get closer to the big ones. In practice why bother because between minigame spam and spear throw spam 9S is an untouchable golden god No Mods No Masters fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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Mar 9, 2017 08:34
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So there's something I don't quite get about a sidequest: When you retreive the memory of a deserted android 11B, if you hide it from 16D she says that she and the 11B were in a relationship and wants to convert to a combat model to avenge her. But if you tell her everything she says that 11B constantly abused her and is glad that she's dead. Isn't it too drastic of a difference between two scenarios? Does narrative change depending on what you choose? Or are all androids hard-wired to hate everyone who tries to desert? Or am I just missing something?
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Mar 9, 2017 09:22
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Am I missing something, or can I not equip the same weapon into both slots in the same set? I'm almost certain you could in the demo, but I can't figure it out here.
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Mar 9, 2017 10:04
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dasmause posted:So there's something I don't quite get about a sidequest: When you retreive the memory of a deserted android 11B, if you hide it from 16D she says that she and the 11B were in a relationship and wants to convert to a combat model to avenge her. But if you tell her everything she says that 11B constantly abused her and is glad that she's dead. Isn't it too drastic of a difference between two scenarios? Does narrative change depending on what you choose? Or are all androids hard-wired to hate everyone who tries to desert? Or am I just missing something? I took it as she was just keeping up appearances, but now that 11B's a traitor she can be openly disgusted about her.
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Mar 9, 2017 10:08
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I want to get this game when it comes out on steam. I never played Nier although I was aware of it. Can someone link something, possibly a youtube, that I can watch that goes over the story and characters?
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Mar 9, 2017 10:10
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Dimo ArKacho posted:Am I missing something, or can I not equip the same weapon into both slots in the same set? I'm almost certain you could in the demo, but I can't figure it out here. I don't think you can, but I can't boot up the game to fact check for another 9 hours. However there are tons of weapons of the same type, which essentially does the exact same thing.
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Mar 9, 2017 10:14
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Mindblast posted:I don't think you can, but I can't boot up the game to fact check for another 9 hours. However there are tons of weapons of the same type, which essentially does the exact same thing. I realize it's more or less aesthetic, but it just bugs me...makes no sense.
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Mar 9, 2017 10:15
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Dimo ArKacho posted:I realize it's more or less aesthetic, but it just bugs me...makes no sense. Well you see if you buy a weapon once... you can't have it equipped twice. Because you only have one. Even though when you fight you clearly see copies fling across the arena like disposable toys. 
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Mar 9, 2017 10:21
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Drunk Driver Dad posted:I want to get this game when it comes out on steam. I never played Nier although I was aware of it. Can someone link something, possibly a youtube, that I can watch that goes over the story and characters? You can get a half hour summary of everything here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE6n2KGbaZ0 It might be kind of confusing however, so you can get expanded summaries from this guy: https://www.youtube.com/user/MrClemps He's kind of a "Youtube personality" though, so your mileage may vary on that. Edit: and if you really want to go in-depth on everything without playing the games themselves (and you really don't want to play the Drakengard games), The Dark Id has LPs of all the games: https://lparchive.org/author/The%20Dark%20Id You can skip Drakengard 2, it's not relevant to anything. For reference, you can go into this game with zero information and be completely fine. Any information that's important from NieR is included in a lore section. This way might even be reccomended, since if you go into this with NieR knowledge some of the twists are incredibly obvious. Lord Justice fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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Mar 9, 2017 10:27
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The best way to summarise NieR is to read TDI's LP on the lparchive, imho. It goes at the pace you want it to because it's text based, covers absolutely everything in the game, points out the flaws where they are and it's pretty funny too.
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Mar 9, 2017 10:29
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Lord Justice posted:You can get a half hour summary of everything here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE6n2KGbaZ0 That last part has me thinking now. Witcher 3 was my first witcher experience, and I just loved the hell out of spending time reading all the encyclopedia stuff. Is it as detailed as that was?
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Mar 9, 2017 10:39
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The thing with original Nier was that there was a game as backstory and a full-game worth of backstory. Automata has all of that and Nier itself, as well as a game-worth of backstory set between them. There's lots of cool things, but they're all background and inform the current events, rather than being mandatory to understand. There's lots of stuff to explore for people interested in the lore.
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Mar 9, 2017 10:46
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The Drakengard universe as a whole isn't as indepth as The Witcher's, but Drakengard wasn't a long running and legendary (in its home nation) book series so it's not really comparable.
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Drunk Driver Dad posted:That last part has me thinking now. Witcher 3 was my first witcher experience, and I just loved the hell out of spending time reading all the encyclopedia stuff. Is it as detailed as that was? I haven't played The Witcher 3 myself, but there's nothing in-depth in Automata's lore for the most part. Everything from NieR is only the stuff pertinent to Automata. Honestly, my recommendation is to play Automata, then read The Dark Id's stuff to get everything that led up to Automata. For further reference, only Drakengard and NieR are relevant to Automata, Drakengard 2 isn't relevant to anything and Drakengard 3 seemed to have connections to Automata but didn't in the end. As well, the universe Taro has created isn't contained within the games solely, there's novels, manga, audio dramas, even a stage play. The Dark Id's LPs gather all that material together in one spot for the most part.
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Mar 9, 2017 10:47
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Yeah I'd go for The Dark Id's LP instead of Clemps. You see clemps will tell the core of the story but Automata is still designed to be enjoyed by people who didn't play Nier 1. As a result it won't go too deep into Nier 1 so it won't help you as much as you think it will for the experience. It will help, for sure, but you will miss out. A lot. It's the little details in your journey through Nier 1 that will subtly make a return. Things Clemps will without doubt skip. So yeah go for the LP. And don't skip the music holy poo poo you see a music link for a section you click that sucker. Doing this will increase how much you will enjoy Automata by a non-significant amount, imo at least. Mindblast fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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Mar 9, 2017 10:50
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Lord Justice posted:I haven't played The Witcher 3 myself, but there's nothing in-depth in Automata's lore for the most part. Everything from NieR is only the stuff pertinent to Automata. Honestly, my recommendation is to play Automata, then read The Dark Id's stuff to get everything that led up to Automata. For further reference, only Drakengard and NieR are relevant to Automata, Drakengard 2 isn't relevant to anything and Drakengard 3 seemed to have connections to Automata but didn't in the end. As well, the universe Taro has created isn't contained within the games solely, there's novels, manga, audio dramas, even a stage play. The Dark Id's LPs gather all that material together in one spot for the most part. Even though her role isn't significant, Accord being active during Automata is still a connection. Even if that's just fixing up weapons (which can still be interpreted as her offering indirect help to YoRHa's crew)
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Mar 9, 2017 11:08
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Even though her role isn't significant, Accord being active during Automata is still a connection. Even if that's just fixing up weapons (which can still be interpreted as her offering indirect help to YoRHa's crew) Is she doing that plus supplying weapons? I haven't found her flyer yet. As well, I know Accord is mentioned, but Drakengard 3 ends with a huge question mark over Accord and the Cathedral City, and Automata doesn't answer these questions as Drakengard 3 seemed to imply it would. I can't help but feel Taro knew this as well, given how Automata teases you with information at the end but doesn't actually answer those questions. In any case, the connections implied in Drakengard 3 beyond the brief Accord mention aren't extant in Automata, which is what I meant.
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Lord Justice posted:You can skip Drakengard 2, it's not relevant to anything. It is good, though. (The LP, not the game).
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Fat Samurai posted:It is good, though. (The LP, not the game). TDI's ending is still my canon Drakengard 2 ending.
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A 15-minute slow walking escort quest that ends in the quest bugging out. Cavia never dies. Other than that I'm digging the game. There's a lot of very indie game minutia that probably should be culled but the fighting is decent and the music is stellar. Won't even attempt to 100% it until the summer slow game season given that people are talking about it having like 10+ endings, but it's pretty good for what it is. Unless this escort bugs out again, of course, in which case the controller is going through my monitor.
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I about lost it when the desert boss's theme kicked in. Nier soundtracks are the greatest.
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Mindblast posted:Well you see if you buy a weapon once... you can't have it equipped twice. Because you only have one. I did wonder about this issue since I prefer combat bracers for 9S and I only owned 2 pairs.
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Mailer posted:A 15-minute slow walking escort quest that ends in the quest bugging out. Cavia never dies. The sister bot? That one bugged out the once for me. Don't be perturbed by the ending thing though. Other than 1, the 21 other endings are around 2 or 3 hours of effort if you look them up at a generous estimate.
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Mar 9, 2017 14:45
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If the little sister quest stops go to where enemies last popped out of the ground and try to find the one that's stuck, like with the hammer program if you have it
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lets hang out posted:If the little sister quest stops go to where enemies last popped out of the ground and try to find the one that's stuck, like with the hammer program if you have it Yeah she got stuck for me and after running around I considered resetting. Then I noticed a dust cloud kicking up in a random spot and started doing Mario ground pounds until pop out it came.
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Mar 9, 2017 15:33
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Do weapons within the same type get special properties at higher levels? Seems the only difference between the different small swords is damage ranges and their stories (same for the other weapon types I've found)
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Lakbay posted:Do weapons within the same type get special properties at higher levels? Seems the only difference between the different small swords is damage ranges and their stories (same for the other weapon types I've found) Yeah, they have a special benefit at rank 4. Though these are generally shared amongst the families. e.g Virtuous weapons all get ATK up at 100% hp. https://twitter.com/yokotaro/status/839846266259574785 re: the "Yoko Taro" user review on Metacritic.
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Mar 9, 2017 15:39
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They all get special traits at max level, some are really cool
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Alder posted:I wish escort quests were banned. Both of the escorts quests in the game suck. One is broke, as is being discussed. The other is just overly difficult when it first opens up. I just waited til play through 2.
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Mar 9, 2017 15:43
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Dimix posted:Both of the escorts quests in the game suck. One is broke, as is being discussed. The other is just overly difficult when it first opens up. I just waited til play through 2. There are three. You can fail one permanently for the playthrough too.
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Mar 9, 2017 15:55
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Josuke Higashikata posted:There are three. You can fail one permanently for the playthrough too. Which one is that? The child machine? The parade one is the only one I had a lot of trouble and frustration with. NPCs have the endurance of a wet noodle, game keeps pouring enemies on you and I'm pretty sure friendly fire is enabled
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dasmause posted:Which one is that? The child machine? Yes and the mobs are higher level than you and only go for the kid  It's only lvl 10 so it'll die in 2-3 hits
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Mar 9, 2017 16:09
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Josuke Higashikata posted:There are three. You can fail one permanently for the playthrough too. I only remember sister and the parade. I hope the one I forgot/missed isn't worse than those.
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My favorite interpretation of Romeo and Juliet since Hot Fuzz.
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Dimix posted:I only remember sister and the parade. I hope the one I forgot/missed isn't worse than those. I felt like the kid one was the worst but that might be because of the cycle 2 enemies jumping into the fray nearby.
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dasmause posted:Which one is that? The child machine? Yep.
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