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Lorak
Apr 7, 2009

Well, there goes the Hall of Fame...

Bloodly posted:

In the descriptions in the pets for the ships, it keeps using R5, R6, and R9. I have no clue what those are meant to mean. Any ideas?

Those powers only work if you slot the appropriate astromech, or a more advanced model. So R9 powers require an R9 astromech, but R5 can use an R5, R6, or R9.

Alternatively, it could be referencing an old skill point system, where you put points into a specific ability to make it better, from 0 to 9, and that it represents having 5, 6, or 9 points in that ability, or it could reference a different old system where you put points into an officer's ability to reduce the cooldown rate of that ability, or it could be some other noodle in the spaghetti-code.

Pagetopper query: has anyone seen any ridiculously-good DPS shuttle builds as of late? I'm relatively certain there are some very optimized ones, and I mostly just want to set myself up for the next shuttle event, whenever that is.

Lorak fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Mar 9, 2017

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Coq au Nandos
Nov 7, 2006

I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

Acer Pilot posted:

:wink:

did anyone manage to get an UR or epic prize token?

Nope. Best I got was a purple. At least I'm set for the next upgrade weekend.

g0del
Jan 9, 2001



Fun Shoe

Coq au Nandos posted:

Buy a Vonph. It's an objectively better ship, around the same size and around a billion EC cheaper.
I don't need a better ship, I already have multiple better ships for actually doing content*. And I'm not going to buy it because it's way to expensive. I'm just saying that if it were affordable, I'd buy one just fly around ESD and laugh at how insanely big it is.



* Not that you actually need a good ship to do most PVE content in this game.

Technical Analysis
Nov 21, 2007

I got 99 problems but the British ain't one.

Kitchner posted:

If I've learnt anything from MMOs it's that it's always better to specialise. So like I've got a fairly fast and manoeuvrable Romulan warbird with plasma cannons and phaser banks, with consoles that boost plasma damage, and tac abilities that boost cannon and beam damage.

Science I think is the space wizard class right? So I would just do some research on what the most OP science magic is and specialise in that.

This hurts to read.

Aleth
Aug 2, 2008

Pillbug

Technical Analysis posted:

This hurts to read.

I skimmed over it before but now I've read it I have to agree.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

Technical Analysis posted:

This hurts to read.

Whats wrong with it?

Aleth
Aug 2, 2008

Pillbug
You talk about specialisation but then state you are a) mixing damage types (plasma & phaser) and b) mixing weapon types & skills (cannons & beams). This is A Bad Thing.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

Aleth posted:

You talk about specialisation but then state you are a) mixing damage types (plasma & phaser) and b) mixing weapon types & skills (cannons & beams). This is A Bad Thing.

I haven't actually mixed plasma and phaser, that's me not using words properly, I only have plasma stuff but some of it is cannons and some of it is beams. The beams are all on the rear slots though as I figured having rear cannons doesn't help much.

Technical Analysis
Nov 21, 2007

I got 99 problems but the British ain't one.
That's a little less bad I suppose, but still, mixing beams and cannons is basically a thing you only do on "canon" builds or gimmick builds.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

Technical Analysis posted:

That's a little less bad I suppose, but still, mixing beams and cannons is basically a thing you only do on "canon" builds or gimmick builds.

What would I do with cannons in the rear weapon slots though? They would never do anything unless I'm pretty much directly flying away from my opponent? Unless you can have all the rear slots as those 360 degree cannons?

Lagomorphic
Apr 21, 2008

AKA: Orthonormal

Lorak posted:

Pagetopper query: has anyone seen any ridiculously-good DPS shuttle builds as of late? I'm relatively certain there are some very optimized ones, and I mostly just want to set myself up for the next shuttle event, whenever that is.

I've gotten decent mileage out of running the dyson rep weapons/console on the peregrine/to'dug. The experimental has a good arc for shuttle stuff and benefits from the built in CRF. I also tend to run the assimilated engine/deflector with the Dyson on it for some built in hull/shield healing so I can use the boff slot for torp spread without dying constantly (you'll probably still die, just not as quickly). There's probably higher DPS builds but this will tear up a shuttle alert just fine.

If you have the overwhelming force ship trait that's also still hilarious with torp spread+Romulan hyper-torp.

Kitchner posted:

What would I do with cannons in the rear weapon slots though? They would never do anything unless I'm pretty much directly flying away from my opponent? Unless you can have all the rear slots as those 360 degree cannons?

Cannons in the front and turrets in the back or just run all beam arrays*. Turrets are classified as cannons and are boosted by abilities that buff cannons.

*Once you can afford some 360 omni beams you can also go DBBs in front and omni's in back.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry
Sounds like I will have to buy some plasma turrets when I get home.

fakemirage
Nov 6, 2012

Can't see the haters.
Cryptic likes testing things in the production environment, so Breach is broken for the moment.

Current workaround is to kill yourself.

g0del
Jan 9, 2001



Fun Shoe
^^ Games > The MMO HMO > Star Trek Online Season 11: Current workaround is to kill yourself

Kitchner posted:

Sounds like I will have to buy some plasma turrets when I get home.
There's also the fact that cannons (and turrets) are pretty severely under-powered compared to beams right now. But PVE is easy enough that it really doesn't matter.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

g0del posted:

^^ Games > The MMO HMO > Star Trek Online Season 11: Current workaround is to kill yourself
There's also the fact that cannons (and turrets) are pretty severely under-powered compared to beams right now. But PVE is easy enough that it really doesn't matter.

Oh really? I thought cannons did the best DPS? I actually think beams are way cooler but I was using cannons as I thought they were better for a race officer dealing damage

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry
Also isn't it season 12?

Cyntalan
Jun 28, 2011

fakemirage posted:

It should be gensendmessage queuepve_cooldowns toggle unless they've recently changed it.

Indeed it is. I thank you good sir.

Cyntalan
Jun 28, 2011
So, did Inaji ever figure out if any of the piezo weapons do the same bug? Sounded like he was unsure even after testing last night.

Blacula
Dec 22, 2008

Speaking of using slash commands, is there anything that resets the position of the interaction window to default? I mean the window that pops up when you fly close to DS9, etc.

edit: or even just close it?

Blacula fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Mar 9, 2017

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

Kitchner posted:

Oh really? I thought cannons did the best DPS? I actually think beams are way cooler but I was using cannons as I thought they were better for a race officer dealing damage

Cannons do more single target damage in most situations but that doesn't matter because beams do enough that the functional difference is targets die a half second slower. Couple this with the fact that the beam AoE skill is a sphere of gently caress you instead of a cone of mild annoyance like the cannon variant and you can see why beams are better. Yes, a cannon boat will kill that one ship extremely dead, but your buddy with beams will have cleared the instance in the same time span.

Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan

fakemirage posted:

Cryptic likes testing things in the production environment, so Breach is broken for the moment.

Current workaround is to kill yourself.



What is that Pac-man ship?

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014



i'm the scimitar

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Aleph Null posted:

What is that Pac-man ship?

Looks like one of the wacky t5/6 warbirds.

I thought about coming back to this game for the first time since Legacy of Romulus was new, then made the mistake of glancing through the wiki for all the new ships. Man this game's gotten weird and added eleventy bilion ships since I last played.

Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan

Cythereal posted:

Looks like one of the wacky t5/6 warbirds.

I thought about coming back to this game for the first time since Legacy of Romulus was new, then made the mistake of glancing through the wiki for all the new ships. Man this game's gotten weird and added eleventy bilion ships since I last played.

And about 7 end-game development systems (ie time-gated "currency" poo poo).

Edit: I quit for a year or two, but since I have a lifetime membership, I came back with 20,000 Zen burning a hole in my pocket. Bought the temporal agent pack and been leveling my toons from 50 to 60.

fakemirage
Nov 6, 2012

Can't see the haters.

Aleph Null posted:

What is that Pac-man ship?
The Valkis.

Kitchner posted:

Also isn't it season 12?
Don't question it.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Kitchner posted:

Also isn't it season 12?

we're still in the prime timeline.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

Psycho Landlord posted:

Cannons do more single target damage in most situations but that doesn't matter because beams do enough that the functional difference is targets die a half second slower. Couple this with the fact that the beam AoE skill is a sphere of gently caress you instead of a cone of mild annoyance like the cannon variant and you can see why beams are better. Yes, a cannon boat will kill that one ship extremely dead, but your buddy with beams will have cleared the instance in the same time span.

Sorry, when you say the beam AoE skill, is that a Tac officer ability that lets you shoot at a whole group of enemies at once like the torpedo skill?

g0del
Jan 9, 2001



Fun Shoe

Kitchner posted:

Sorry, when you say the beam AoE skill, is that a Tac officer ability that lets you shoot at a whole group of enemies at once like the torpedo skill?
He's talking about Beam: Fire at Will, which allows your beams to hit ships all around you. Beams and cannons each have one AoE skill and one single-target skill. The single target skills are rarely useful currently - there's almost never a time that you'll be fighting only a single mob with enough HP for the single-target skills to matter. Bfaw is simply a much better skill than Cannon: Scatter Volley, the cannon AoE skill.

Technical Analysis
Nov 21, 2007

I got 99 problems but the British ain't one.
As someone who runs different ships, most with BFAW and a hand full with CRF, stick with BFAW, it's by far the more efficient option.

OGS-Remix
Sep 4, 2007

Totally surviving on my own. On LAND!

Technical Analysis posted:

As someone who runs different ships, most with BFAW and a hand full with CRF, stick with BFAW, it's by far the more efficient option.

If you really want, you can get beam weapons with the [over] mod which can proc a free beam overload. Supposedly it works with FAW as well so you can get decent damage still.

Fridurmus
Nov 2, 2009

:black101: Break a leg! :black101:
Can I get an invite? Marcos@chocolatedonuts.

fakemirage
Nov 6, 2012

Can't see the haters.

Fridurmus posted:

Can I get an invite? Marcos@chocolatedonuts.

Check so you don't have some #numbers after your username.

I assume you're playing on PC, I don't know how things look on the console side.

genghispawn
Aug 17, 2008

FuturePastNow posted:

i'm the scimitar

What end of the Valkis is the front? Or does it truly matter?

Mondian
Apr 24, 2007

OGS-Remix posted:

If you really want, you can get beam weapons with the [over] mod which can proc a free beam overload. Supposedly it works with FAW as well so you can get decent damage still.

Last I checked you can trigger the proc during bfaw, but it doesn't actually execute until after the buff expires. I don't know if this screws you over re:successive BO's & weapon system power though or even if that's still how it works.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Technical Analysis posted:

As someone who runs different ships, most with BFAW and a hand full with CRF, stick with BFAW, it's by far the more efficient option.

:agreed:

It's also due to the nature of the content. Back when everyone ran DHC builds (not only just because of the old FAW bugs) the nature of endgame content at the time was one where high single target DPS was overwhelmingly what you wanted.

Now everything is "whittle down this large pack of enemies" where single target DPS is basically not what you want.

Also FAW works equally well on single target as multiple while cannon scatter volley is garbage for single target. I think beams are generally fine but cannon skills need an update.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


Beam Overload desperately needs a revamp too. A single burst shot is so pointless against the current damage soak PVE targets, and even back in the day it was still more of a PVP skill. Something like the original Surgical Strikes is probably where a single-target beam skill needed to be, but then that was nerfed so... :effort:

Fridurmus
Nov 2, 2009

:black101: Break a leg! :black101:

fakemirage posted:


Check so you don't have some #numbers after your username.

I assume you're playing on PC, I don't know how things look on the console side.

Ah poo poo, I think the website name isn't the ingame username, huh?

Assuming I'm right about this, it should(?) be @CDonuts. Probably.

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

What's the escort meta these days? Antiproton DBBs still good?

fakemirage
Nov 6, 2012

Can't see the haters.

Fridurmus posted:

Ah poo poo, I think the website name isn't the ingame username, huh?

Assuming I'm right about this, it should(?) be @CDonuts. Probably.
That works, sent you a channel invite. Instructions are in the op.

super sweet best pal posted:

What's the escort meta these days? Antiproton DBBs still good?
The escort meta is to switch to a cruiser.

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MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




awwwwwwwww man the lukari glow shields barely have any glow at all on the pilot escorts.

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