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evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious
I keep saying pineapple and people just give me odd looks. It goes well on anything, including hamburgers.

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Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

Truck Stop Daddy posted:

Fake news blir demonstrativt ikke brukt av begge sider av debatten. Høyresida har sausa sammen to forskjellige begreper.
Uttrykk 1: "Fake news" - originalt brukt om ting trukket ut av rævva på artikkelforfattere for å generere klikk og adrevenues.
Uttrykk 2: "Lügenpresse" (evnt. "jüdenpresse" hvis du er gammelnazist) brukt av nynazister/pegida og, mer nylig, kokohøyre om nyheter, som ikke er usanne, men som de ikke liker.
De som bruker uttrykka i dag (dvs. deg) sier "fake news" men mener "lügenpresse".

Hey, dette var et interessant poeng. Hadde jeg faktisk ikke tenkt over, men intet nytt under solen etc.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot

Truck Stop Daddy posted:

sorry, følte bare at jeg måtte gjøre min del av jobben for å holde scandipoltråden så fucka som den pleier å være :///

Vennligst ikke. Forstår at man har en del sinne man sitter på, men kritikken du får har noe ved seg.

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

Truck Stop Daddy posted:

Hvis det er typ velferdsordninger, så har jeg nyheter for deg: vi trenger en haug med innvandring for å holde tannhjula i gang framover. Hva er planen din for å demme opp for eldrebølgen hvis man skal kjøre et innvandringsfritt egoløp?

Det förutsätter dock att invandrarna dels kommer i jobb samt att de hinner jobba tillräckligt mycket för att vara nettoinbetalare till pensionssystemet.
Sker inte detta, kommer de istället vara en börda. Vilket det ser ut att ske i Sverige.

Ser man på Sverige, så är arbetslösheten bland födda i Sverige låg, medan arbetslösheten bland invandrare är hög.
Detta trots att det inom många yrken råder brist på arbetskraft.
Problemet är att många av de invandrare som kommer saknar rätt utbildning och därmed inte får jobb.
Särskilt eftersom vi har och kommer bortrationalisera de flesta sk enkla jobb.
Så med andra ord måste de invandrare utan rätt kompetens (varav många utan ens gymnasie) utbildas för att ens kunna söka jobb i Sverige.
De invandrare som kommer med lämplig utbildning får i stor mån jobb, varav de som skaffar en svensk examen lyckas bra.
Många av problemen vi ser i Sverige beror på att invandrare saknar rätt utbildning, får inte jobb, vilket kombinerat med bostadsbristen är en nedåtgående spiral med en ökande andel invandrare i befolkningen.

Kul att du drar ett nyliberalt argument för invandring för övrigt.
Ett mer etiskt synsätt hade varit att separera asylinvandring och arbetsinvandring.

Truck Stop Daddy
Apr 17, 2013

A janitor cleans the bathroom

Muldoon

Nice piece of fish posted:

Hey, dette var et interessant poeng. Hadde jeg faktisk ikke tenkt over, men intet nytt under solen etc.
Nei, det var interessant å se hvor kjapt den originale fake news-diskursen plutselig blei hijacka og begynte å handle om noe helt annet. Hadde vel neppe skjedd om de to begrepene ikke hadde levd parallelt i en stund alt. Tviler på at lügenpresse hadde klart å krysse over i mainstreamen med det første, hvis det ikke var for at fake news-debatten ga dem muligheten.

Biomute posted:

Vennligst ikke. Forstår at man har en del sinne man sitter på, men kritikken du får har noe ved seg.
Jeg veit at posten min er usaklig og kritikkverdig, men jeg er også typ oppriktig overbevist om at hån/vold er den eneste formen for oppmerksomheten man burde vie ytre høyre :shrug:

Cardiac posted:

Kul att du drar ett nyliberalt argument för invandring för övrigt.
må jo bruke språk dere forstår. kommer ikke til å bruke noe mer tid på det her tho, virka som om folk var litt lei haha

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

Truck Stop Daddy posted:

må jo bruke språk dere forstår. kommer ikke til å bruke noe mer tid på det her tho, virka som om folk var litt lei haha

Så inget motargument, förutom en halmgubbe. Kul.

Truck Stop Daddy
Apr 17, 2013

A janitor cleans the bathroom

Muldoon

Cardiac posted:

Så inget motargument, förutom en halmgubbe. Kul.

grenser bad, brobygging good+cool? er ikke så vanskelig altså

Heinz Hynkel
Nov 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

Truck Stop Daddy posted:

If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck...

Not sure if I should comment. Others are getting annoyed(from what I read on the comments.)
Maybe move the thread into Scandinavian politics again? I will give an reply if you insist.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




His Divine Shadow posted:

Najs, kontra en annans fördomar med dina egna stereotyper. Låter som du och heinz har något gemensamt.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




For å snakke om noe helt annet: Aftenposten mener at egenandelen for barnehage bør bestå, de er ikke spesielt nøye på hvorfor: http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/leder/Aftenposten-mener-Ja-til-egenandel-for-barnehage-616527b.html

Har egentlig lenge lurt på hvorfor det er sånn at folk synes at barnehage skal koste litt mens alle andre velferdsgoder har en nærmest ikke-eksisterende egenandel.

Heinz Hynkel
Nov 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

Alhazred posted:

For å snakke om noe helt annet: Aftenposten mener at egenandelen for barnehage bør bestå, de er ikke spesielt nøye på hvorfor: http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/leder/Aftenposten-mener-Ja-til-egenandel-for-barnehage-616527b.html

Har egentlig lenge lurt på hvorfor det er sånn at folk synes at barnehage skal koste litt mens alle andre velferdsgoder har en nærmest ikke-eksisterende egenandel.

Its stupid. But its nothing compared to the fact that we don't consider teeth a part of the body.

CAROL
Oct 29, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
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Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Heinz Hynkel posted:

Its stupid. But its nothing compared to the fact that we don't consider teeth a part of the body.

Well after they fall out you'll find they'd be correct.

Anyway going to the dentist isn't that expensive, that's speaking as someone who paid something like 6,000kr for root canals (though at that point I would have considered almost any sum reasonable just to make the pain stop) and you can mostly do just fine by just taking care of your teeth.

I don't disagree that it probably should be covered, but it's not nearly as bad as it could have been.

Mordekai
Sep 6, 2006

Salt in the wound eases the soul.

Alhazred posted:

For å snakke om noe helt annet: Aftenposten mener at egenandelen for barnehage bør bestå, de er ikke spesielt nøye på hvorfor: http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/leder/Aftenposten-mener-Ja-til-egenandel-for-barnehage-616527b.html

Har egentlig lenge lurt på hvorfor det er sånn at folk synes at barnehage skal koste litt mens alle andre velferdsgoder har en nærmest ikke-eksisterende egenandel.

Tror det er en relikvie fra da det skulle koste litt ekstra for kvinner som valgte å gå ut i arbeidslivet.

Baudolino
Apr 1, 2010

THUNDERDOME LOSER
Fjern kontantstøtten og bruk penga til å gjøre egenandelen(gratis om det er nok peng til det).

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Randarkman posted:

Well after they fall out you'll find they'd be correct.

Anyway going to the dentist isn't that expensive, that's speaking as someone who paid something like 6,000kr for root canals (though at that point I would have considered almost any sum reasonable just to make the pain stop) and you can mostly do just fine by just taking care of your teeth.

I don't disagree that it probably should be covered, but it's not nearly as bad as it could have been.

That's what you think now but just wait until you're old and you'll be faced with paying 200k or losing literally all your teeth. It's hosed up.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Randarkman posted:

Anyway going to the dentist isn't that expensive

Your teeth are going to all fall out if you keep smoking whatever it is you're smoking.

Heinz Hynkel
Nov 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

Randarkman posted:

Well after they fall out you'll find they'd be correct.

Anyway going to the dentist isn't that expensive

I got the choice about getting a my teeth drilled out or getting i it drawn and replaced. I asked about the cost of getting it removed and replaced; 27k. Yeah that is not very expensive. Now I understand why people take trips to Poland for tooth care.

Mordekai
Sep 6, 2006

Salt in the wound eases the soul.

Baudolino posted:

Fjern kontantstøtten og bruk penga til å gjøre egenandelen(gratis om det er nok peng til det).

Hear hear

Svartvit
Jun 18, 2005

al-Qabila samaa Bahth
I have a severe fear of dentistry and having stuff done to my teeth. So having all my teeth replaced is both a horrible nightmare and a dream come true at the same time. Thank you for reading.

Karpaw
Oct 29, 2011

by Cyrano4747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0p7Oyvql9s


Oh, Steffe gonna be mad. :mmmhmm:

Dirk Pitt
Sep 14, 2007

haha yes, this feels good

Toilet Rascal

Is anyone running around pretending crime doesn't happen? I don't see much wrong with what that guy said, I've never been to Rinkeby, but I would hardly call it a "no go zone" from the reports I get from locals. Also, his comment about the "game" school kids play where they gang molest female students sounded eerily similar to "the knock out game" Fox News ran with during the Obama Presidency.

Dirk Pitt fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Mar 9, 2017

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

Dirk Pitt posted:

Is anyone running around pretending crime doesn't happen? I don't see much wrong with what that guy said, I've never been to Rinkeby, but I would hardly call it a "no go zone" from the reports I get from locals.

Well, the no-go zone list is actually divided into 3 categories in how severe the problems are.
Example: only the south parts of Rosengård are on the most severe list.
The most severe areas are just 10 or so and basically each constitutes an apartment block.

The no-go zone in these cases refer to areas where the local gang controls the neighbour making it harder for the police to go in there without opposition from the local gang.
By lack of opposition from the police, the local gang with hangarounds gets to decide the rules that apply.
So if you are not accosted by the local gang, you can probably live in relative peace in a no-go-area.
Just be prepared that all commerce and official buildings will relocate or reduce their presence there and firefighters/ambulances will often want police escort to go in there.

evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

Svartvit posted:

I have a severe fear of dentistry and having stuff done to my teeth. So having all my teeth replaced is both a horrible nightmare and a dream come true at the same time. Thank you for reading.

Wasn't there an irish custom at some point to remove all your teeth before marriage, so as to save on dental costs and avoid problems stemming from them in the future?

I personally probably wouldn't mind removing them and replacing them with something fake, mostly on account of already having had a few knocked out due to a biking accident and some bad molars.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

evilmiera posted:

Wasn't there an irish custom at some point to remove all your teeth before marriage, so as to save on dental costs and avoid problems stemming from them in the future?
The stories from my dad's side of the family indicate that it was a thing in central Jutland too back in the day. Actually, not sure how long ago "back in the day" was, a quick googling indicates that this was still being done into the 60's and 70's in the UK and Ireland, so the tradition might have lasted just as long here. Or at least well into the 20th century.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

It appears I might not have been the only one to go "this is madness" over the whole reform of the county and municipality system in Norway that's been unveiled to be going forward.
SP has been shown to be steadily growng in recent polls, and are now hovering around 11% in the most recent ones, appearing to be leeching voters off AP and H (though AP is harder hit it seems). This doesn't necessarily bode that well for Red-Greens though, as AP's decline means that the bourgeois ("borgerlig", usual moniker for Norwegian political right-wing) parties are still looking at something resembling the kind of sort of majority they have going at the moment.

e: Oh, wait latest one says right-wing loses majority.



https://www.nrk.no/norge/ny-nrk-maling_-venstre-gir-solberg-hodebry-1.13415161

Randarkman fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Mar 9, 2017

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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Randarkman posted:

It appears I might not have been the only one to go "this is madness" over the whole reform of the county and municipality system in Norway that's been unveiled to be going forward.
SP has been shown to be steadily growng in recent polls, and are now hovering around 11% in the most recent ones, appearing to be leeching voters off AP and H (though AP is harder hit it seems). This doesn't necessarily bode that well for Red-Greens though, as AP's decline means that the bourgeois ("borgerlig", usual moniker for Norwegian political right-wing) parties are still looking at something resembling the kind of sort of majority they have going at the moment.

e: Oh, wait latest one says right-wing loses majority.



https://www.nrk.no/norge/ny-nrk-maling_-venstre-gir-solberg-hodebry-1.13415161

mmh, if V drops below 4% and SV can keep its act together to some extent (which honestly seems likely, given støhre's obvious preference for centreward cooperation) the blue-blues will fall

more to the point, both KrF and V have been vehement about not supporting an FrP government after the election, sooo

V. Illych L. fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Mar 9, 2017

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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from a left-wing perspective, the country could probably do worse than an AP+Sp+KrF government

it'd be socially conservative as gently caress, but i doubt they could do any lasting damage on those fronts - AP needs to maintain some level of credibility wrt its whole state-feminist project, at least, and KrF are not, mostly, racists

the environment'd be hosed, though

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

V. Illych L. posted:

from a left-wing perspective, the country could probably do worse than an AP+Sp+KrF government

it'd be socially conservative as gently caress, but i doubt they could do any lasting damage on those fronts - AP needs to maintain some level of credibility wrt its whole state-feminist project, at least, and KrF are not, mostly, racists

the environment'd be hosed, though

Well, at least SP didn't end up led by Ola Borten Moe. Dude was just kind of scary when it came to his enthusiasm for everything oil. Don't really know much about Vedum as regards oil, but he can't really be as bad as Borten Moe.

Who also looked downright sinister at times.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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Randarkman posted:

Well, at least SP didn't end up led by Ola Borten Moe. Dude was just kind of scary when it came to his enthusiasm for everything oil. Don't really know much about Vedum as regards oil, but he can't really be as bad as Borten Moe.

Who also looked downright sinister at times.



tbh vedum seems like a classical SP mercenary type who's managed to catch a whiff of where the popular opinion was headed and capitalised on it pretty well - i think a parallel can be made to what kristin halvorsen did with SV back in the early 2000's, where the oppositional zeitgeist was suddenly very much in favour of SV's traditional antimilitarism, and where they managed to completely monopolise important sectors of policy (education, environment, war). halvorsen's trick, as with vedum, was mainly in recognising her strength and realising it - it is, however, going to be very fleeting indeed, and i expect SP to be back down to 6-8% as their issues fade from relevance and/or they seize power

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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borten moe's biggest problem was that he was so obviously arrogant and entitled, which is poison in a norwegian political context

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

V. Illych L. posted:

tbh vedum seems like a classical SP mercenary type who's managed to catch a whiff of where the popular opinion was headed and capitalised on it pretty well - i think a parallel can be made to what kristin halvorsen did with SV back in the early 2000's, where the oppositional zeitgeist was suddenly very much in favour of SV's traditional antimilitarism, and where they managed to completely monopolise important sectors of policy (education, environment, war). halvorsen's trick, as with vedum, was mainly in recognising her strength and realising it - it is, however, going to be very fleeting indeed, and i expect SP to be back down to 6-8% as their issues fade from relevance and/or they seize power

Oh, most definitely, they'll be down to their traditional loyal core once the roiling anger cools down or they get into power as you say. It's the same as when the EU issue came up back in the day and SP harvested that opposition to their hearts' content (other parties also took a stance against EU, but I don't believe any really have typified EU opposition like SP)

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
It's tough to be a leftist right now. I desperately want to get the right-wing out of power, but AP has never been shittier. SV appears to be in no position to form a coalition with AP and try to bring them back over the line so there does not appear to be any legitimate (as in, one that would have any effect) left-wing vote this election. Gonna vote Rødt.

Truck Stop Daddy
Apr 17, 2013

A janitor cleans the bathroom

Muldoon

Biomute posted:

It's tough to be a leftist right now. I desperately want to get the right-wing out of power, but AP has never been shittier. SV appears to be in no position to form a coalition with AP and try to bring them back over the line so there does not appear to be any legitimate (as in, one that would have any effect) left-wing vote this election. Gonna vote Rødt.



#feelthebjørn

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Truck Stop Daddy posted:



#feelthebjørn

Eh, might as well.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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det er godt mulig at moxnes kommer på tinget med direktemandat fra oslo, så det er ikke egentlig mer bortkastet å stemme rødt der enn noen andre partier

med mindre du bor i oslo eller i enkelte merkelige scenarier hordaland er det imidlertid ikke så mye poeng. om man stemmer rødt i hordaland, burde man supplere opp thorstein dahle

stort sett ville jeg anbefalt å stemme SV, deres heller patetiske forsøk på populisme til tross. det er et poeng at det eksisterer en stortingsgruppe til venstre for arbeiderpartiet, i alle fall

e. wait hang on i forgot which thread this was sorry

let's not pretend that anybody reads this thread who can't parse that post though, for real

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=6648825

quote:

I en ny opinionsmätning från Demoskop får Sverigedemokraterna en högre procentsats än Moderaterna. SD får 18,2 procent mot 16,6 för moderaterna.

Det är första gången i Demoskops mätningar som SD är större än moderaterna. Centern ökar något i samma mätning och får 12,1 procent. Ingen av förändringarna är statistiskt säker jämfört med förra mätningen. Demoskop publiceras av Expressen.

På två månader har Moderaterna tappat nästan en tredjedel av sitt väljarstöd. I en ny mätning från Demoskop som publiceras i Expressen störtdyker M till 16,6 procent.

I'm getting MP 2014 flashbacks, man is this going fast.

CAROL
Oct 29, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Tvinga tbx Reinfeldt imo

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Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

MiddleOne posted:

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=6648825

I'm getting MP 2014 flashbacks, man is this going fast.

Regarding C? In that case, me too.

Also, what bugs me about the poll-of-polls is the 1% increase for SD coming after Ms change in SD treatment.
Why would one leave M for SD when M says they are ok with support from SD? :psyduck:

The cannibalism within Alliansen is an interesting phenomena, which S seems rather unable to profit from.

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