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So Annie's plan the entire time was 'if someone gets hurt, the psychopomps will heal them'? There are many, many flaws with that plan. v I didn't think about it that way. Annie got her father's 'TERRIBLE PLANS INVOLVING PSYCHOPOMPS' genes. rare Magic card l00k fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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Mar 10, 2017 09:19
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Holy poo poo, not getting Smitty to a doctor right away was part of the plan. They didn't have any healers and no way to get healed other than the psychopomps, this was a really bad plan.
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Mar 10, 2017 10:27
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This is honestly starting to cross from "honest but brutal takedown of a character's ill thought out plan" to approaching a weird uncomfortable territory where it's going a bit over the line and I think I'm just going to check out until next chapter. Maybe being able to binge it in one go will feel a bit better because this ain't really doing it for me.
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Mar 10, 2017 10:29
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i feel like this isn't a case of anybody being entirely right annie definitely hosed up though
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Mar 10, 2017 10:32
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At this point Red is just being an rear end in a top hat. Kat, Parley, and Smitty all knew exactly what they were getting into and chose to go down there on their own. Parley was even the one that initiated the whole expedition AND if the court found out what they were doing down there, especially by means of someone being teleported into a hospital with a ghost knife in their chest, they might all be out on their ear. Annie's done a terrible job of standing up for herself since her Dad came back, and I do not believe that Red is putting things in a fair light at all. For all we know Annie made them both chant "What we are about to do will be extremely dangerous." fifty times before they popped down.
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Mar 10, 2017 10:33
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Really need to reconsider my choice of waifus now. It's a joke.
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Mar 10, 2017 11:01
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Annie confirmed to be just as big an idiot as her dad Tony didn't drag innocents into his plan
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Mar 10, 2017 11:11
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A lot of Annie Stans in here not able to tolerate criticism of they girl being a total idiot
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Mar 10, 2017 11:12
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EmmyOk posted:Tony didn't drag innocents into his plan but... tony is innocent???
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Mar 10, 2017 11:30
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Red's superpower is a direct phone line to the goddamn Truth.
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Mar 10, 2017 12:21
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Wrist Watch posted:This is honestly starting to cross from "honest but brutal takedown of a character's ill thought out plan" to approaching a weird uncomfortable territory where it's going a bit over the line and I think I'm just going to check out until next chapter. Maybe being able to binge it in one go will feel a bit better because this ain't really doing it for me. I kind of feel in the world of "Every adult is either Indifferent, powerless or actively kinda a dick" this is a little harsh for a teenager effectively goaded into fighting a murderghost yeah.
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Mar 10, 2017 12:27
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EmmyOk posted:Tony didn't drag innocents into his plan Tony almost accidentally killed his own daughter because he's an idiot.
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Mar 10, 2017 12:49
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Annie continues to get pooped on. Also mystery solved
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EmmyOk posted:Tony didn't drag innocents into his plan Uh-huh.
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Mar 10, 2017 13:50
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Oh... so I guess that Red is a goon seeing as she is essentially stating what everyone was saying in this thread while everything was going on.
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Mar 10, 2017 13:54
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I wonder how much of this chapter was written directly in response to the reaction to last chapter
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dragon enthusiast posted:I wonder how much of this chapter was written directly in response to the reaction to last chapter None, I'd expect, given how much of a buffer he has.
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Mar 10, 2017 14:34
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Wrist Watch posted:This is honestly starting to cross from "honest but brutal takedown of a character's ill thought out plan" to approaching a weird uncomfortable territory where it's going a bit over the line and I think I'm just going to check out until next chapter. Maybe being able to binge it in one go will feel a bit better because this ain't really doing it for me. So, binging through the last chapter and this just now, I find that Red is addressing outstanding questions an attentive and reasonable reader would raise. I'm not seeing what's uncomfortable here. Annie's top priority was not minimization of pain and risk. Or, if it was her top priority, she accidentally let other factors - like avoiding trouble - displace it. Red sees this for what it is. Given her growing distress, Annie seems to be seeing it too. Growing up is hard but necessary, and the capacity to see how you weigh your own ideas and priorities from a more objective standpoint is a monstrous, humbling part of maturation. I hope fake comic book character Annie picks up improved self-awareness from this.
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Mar 10, 2017 15:07
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Wrist Watch posted:This is honestly starting to cross from "honest but brutal takedown of a character's ill thought out plan" to approaching a weird uncomfortable territory where it's going a bit over the line and I think I'm just going to check out until next chapter. Maybe being able to binge it in one go will feel a bit better because this ain't really doing it for me. Being uncomfortable is the right reaction. Look at Ayilu's eyes, you are not alone.
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Mar 10, 2017 15:10
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Regy Rusty posted:Being uncomfortable is the right reaction. Look at Ayilu's eyes, you are not alone. I'm basically waiting for Ayilu's rebuttal / re-framing. This is likely her chapter, and she may have a balanced perspective to offer we're meant to take as the author's debriefing.
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Wrist Watch posted:This is honestly starting to cross from "honest but brutal takedown of a character's ill thought out plan" to approaching a weird uncomfortable territory where it's going a bit over the line and I think I'm just going to check out until next chapter. Maybe being able to binge it in one go will feel a bit better because this ain't really doing it for me. Sometimes the most pernicious thing of all is not active malice, but a sort of passive rationalized manipulativeness/self-centered outlook. Annie's learning that right now. She didn't set out to be an rear end in a top hat, but she kind of was regardless 
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Mar 10, 2017 16:19
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Basically Annie has always had a bit of a bad habit of placing her personal goals over the well-being of her peers, if unintentionally so, and Red is giving her a much-needed reality check on why this is kind of not a great thing. Annie often operates on a "it's easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission" basis and like Kat once said way long ago that makes it hard to be Annie's friend.
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Mar 10, 2017 16:41
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So the fairies are basically the SA forums come alive. ... I'm okay with this.
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Mar 10, 2017 17:48
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Uthor posted:So the fairies are basically the SA forums come alive.  It checks out.
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Mar 10, 2017 19:09
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Why is Red now the logical one and "Ayilu" is the one who goes into a fit of rage? Why is Red so drat good at dropping truth bombs when they usually seem so oblivious all the time? Where did that easel and vase come from? Why is nobody else around to congratulate Ayilu on her ceremonial naming? Why does Ayilu just snap out of her rage suddenly and stand around to watch Red brutally take down Annie with a kind of neutral expression, as if nothing happened? This sure seems like the kind of trick Tom would pull but it's also just plausible enough to not be one. I gotta give him credit either way.
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this sequence is confusing to me because it doesn't match up with who was involved at all. red and ayilu have a right to be pissed off if annie really didn't communicate the danger of the mission to them ahead of time, but red's also trying to speak on behalf of people who were involved almost from the very beginning, and knew exactly what they were getting into. it's weird that annie is being treated as the leader of the mission when she didn't actually have a way to stop parley from bipping her hubby to a doctor immediately if she had actually wanted to do that.
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Venuz Patrol posted:this sequence is confusing to me because it doesn't match up with who was involved at all. red and ayilu have a right to be pissed off if annie really didn't communicate the danger of the mission to them ahead of time, but red's also trying to speak on behalf of people who were involved almost from the very beginning, and knew exactly what they were getting into. it's weird that annie is being treated as the leader of the mission when she didn't actually have a way to stop parley from bipping her hubby to a doctor immediately if she had actually wanted to do that. Yes you just outlined what is happening here, what's confusing about that
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Mar 10, 2017 19:43
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Regy Rusty posted:Yes you just outlined what is happening here, what's confusing about that annie knows all this but isn't saying so to red.
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Venuz Patrol posted:annie knows all this but isn't saying so to red. I think she's justifiably overwhelmed by the whiplash. It's not necessarily easy to calmly point that stuff out when someone is talking like this to you.
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Mar 10, 2017 20:05
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I'm not at all clear on how "I couldn't physically restrain Parley from saving Smitty's life, she had the option to ignore me when I told her not to so I wouldn't get in trouble" is in any way a counterargument
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Mar 10, 2017 20:16
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"I'd rather sell my soul than have to talk to dad again," seems about right for a Carver.
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Dogwood Fleet posted:"I'd rather sell my soul than have to talk to dad again," seems about right for a Carver. Well she was banking on them doing it for free since she just did them a solid, and ended up wasting precious teleporting-to-a-doctor-time while bargaining, so she got sorta forced into selling her soul.
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Mar 10, 2017 23:18
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Like Annie is loving dumber than Tony because she knew she was walking into a blender and had just the worst plan. She's known about Jeanne for years and still made such a loving mess of it. If you think Tony hurting Annie is the same you're really dumb for a variety of reasons even if you think Tony Was Innocent TM
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Mar 10, 2017 23:28
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I'm not at all clear on how "I couldn't physically restrain Parley from saving Smitty's life, she had the option to ignore me when I told her not to so I wouldn't get in trouble" is in any way a counterargument parley leaves in the fight and everyone gets instagibbed she really was the main tank down there, and who knows whether she can precisely teleport back to the annan waters to ferry everyone back after she's taken Andrew to a surgeon
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Annie is literally a child so 
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This latest page is coming perilously close to convincing me that the main character has been irredeemably selfish gambling with the lives of her closest friends. Like, it was there while it was happening, but this is shattering the "it's just how fantasy fiction is" of it. We're shutting off the possibility of the behavior "making sense in-world", because we have a normally unserious character voicing the most condemning criticisms that previously were coming from readers, outside the story. I mean yeah, if you want to go there, treat this like you would if it weren't a story with moral exceptions for narrative... Annie's such a heartless and irresponsible idiot that there's no coming back from this. You kinda have to hope that she's brought to justice by more level-headed authorities, and participates in nothing resembling an adventure again for the rest of her life. We need a new protagonist who we could even half-hope maintains agency. Like, cheer ambiguity and flawed protagonists (which she already was), but this is dangerously close to just shutting out the possibility of the main character being someone you'd want to attempt to bring about any net good. Also you should probably probate me for drunkposting, I won't believe any of this tomorrow.
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Lighten up people, it's bad but all this 'Annie is not a rational risk free ghost busting professional therefore I emotionally struggle to continue with the comic' is a bit much. There's a reason that it was historically common for teenagers to go off on raids/armies/dangrous travel and either come back wiser or not at all.
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