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Speaking of DLC, how are the CMANO Live DLC? Either thinking about grabbing 3-4 of them or Northern Inferno.
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pthighs posted:The part where he executes the guy for burning the scrambled eggs is ... strange. Holy poo poo that's literally what he does  Hope they add the Tipperary song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pddW-HeHAwo And then 1WO shoots the grammophone.
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corn in the bible posted:RoP Gold is the simplest AGEOD game on Steam and is literally just a wargame. But I have a permanent loyalty discount on it so in non-sale times I can get it for you cheaper than it is on sale for now. During sales, it... well... Every time I see someone reccomend Rise of Prussia I have a heart attack and think they recommended Pride of Nations. Then I remember that would be insane and would never happen.
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Mar 10, 2017 06:16
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Broguts posted:Every time I see someone reccomend Rise of Prussia I have a heart attack and think they recommended Pride of Nations. Then I remember that would be insane and would never happen. V for Vegas posted:Best introduction to AGEOD is actually to buy Pride of Nations and play the scenarios - they are smaller and simpler operations than full titles like Rise of Prussia that give you a good handle on the engine - plus it's always the cheapest title because everyone hates on it.
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Mar 10, 2017 06:24
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Ah gently caress I'm in the wrong timeline again.
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Mar 10, 2017 06:41
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Great googily moogily people can buy the first DC for ten bucks. I may get some OoB poo poo if I find a spare moment.
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Mar 10, 2017 11:14
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I recommend playing the Decisive Campaigns games in the order they were released by the way, the core concepts remain the same while there's a gradual layering of complexity on top.
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Mar 10, 2017 12:49
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Alchenar posted:I recommend playing the Decisive Campaigns games in the order they were released by the way, the core concepts remain the same while there's a gradual layering of complexity on top. Don't start with the third game, you will regret this!!!
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Mar 10, 2017 13:21
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Saros and I started out playing a campaign of AGEOD's Thirty Years War on February 8th. This was my first foray into AGEOD games and it's a whole lot of  going on. In hindsight I shouldn't have just dove right in. But in hindsight I wouldn't have had as much fun, just a longer game. The interface is definitely wonky. The supply layer is weird and the way the game reinforces units really threw me. Combat also seemed strange. I'd have units in what seemed like very defensible positions retreat and other times an extremely weak army would stand and fight and somehow win. (Not usually) The lack of tooltips or info was also frustrating, especially in regard to pillaging/plundering/ransacking the countryside. It's an enjoyable game, at least against another person. I'm not sure I could put up with some of the bullshit playing the AI. Also the map is painfully slow. The diplomacy is just lol. It wasn't until turn 60 or so that Saros pointed out the spots on the top of the map where I had to drag a card to try and shift someone diplomatically. I mean c'mon, what the gently caress. I saw this a lot.  I've since picked up To End All Wars and Alea Jacta Est. Now that I've learned the damned system I should actually play it some more. It's like Graviteam games, everything just feels off but once you've invested the time it doesn't seem as weird. Just eccentric.
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Mar 10, 2017 13:47
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Yooper posted:Saros and I started out playing a campaign of AGEOD's Thirty Years War on February 8th. This was my first foray into AGEOD games and it's a whole lot of To End All Wars is pretty similar in how everything works, including the inclusion of a mysterious Continent Of Diplomacy to play cards onto.
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Mar 10, 2017 14:23
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Despite the ridiculous interface and terrible optimization I mostly like Alea Jacta Est? It took me quite a few hours to actually come to grips with it though. I've played through a couple of scenarios and am currently in the middle of Caesar vs Pompey. Because the scenarios are all so asymmetrical, if you know even a little of the history behind them they are really quite easy when playing the historically victorious side. I liked it enough I bought Civil War 2 and Thirty Years War. I know absolutely nothing about the Thirty Years War, so at the least I'm hoping I'll learn a little bit while puttering with it (time probably better spent actually reading a loving book). Happy Hedonist fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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Mar 10, 2017 14:54
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I think the thing I hate most about AGEOD design (once you get past the UI) is that the most determinative factor in wars is whether or not you have memorised which turns snow is likely to fall in.
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Mar 10, 2017 16:18
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I'm not 100% sure how the replacement thing works after like 20 hours of playing AJE. I get that the little man icon represents how much manpower is missing from your container units on the map, but can anyone explain what the icons under the manpower icon actually represent? I understand the fact they are chits that are produced and replace missing manpower, but it's not 1 to 1 and I never have any idea how many chits to buy. I think I read that when they are red you don't have enough chits to replace what's missing. Why is this abstracted so much? It seems so stupid.
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Mar 10, 2017 16:33
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Oh gently caress yeah, random Slitherine sale? I can finally get Flashpoint Campaigns! Steam is the best, eat your words Matrix motherfuckers I can't wait to not know how to play this one too
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Mar 10, 2017 16:42
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Squiggle posted:Oh gently caress yeah, random Slitherine sale? I can finally get Flashpoint Campaigns! Steam is the best, eat your words Matrix motherfuckers The Hind is possessed by Satan.
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Mar 10, 2017 17:05
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algebra testes posted:Don't start with the third game, you will regret this!!! I thought the third one was the easiest one to understand!
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Mar 10, 2017 17:19
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Drone posted:The Hind is possessed by Satan. They did a patch and it's not as obnoxious as it used to be. It'll still gently caress you up, but not an entire battalions worth of armor in 10 minutes.
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Mar 10, 2017 17:37
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Morholt posted:I thought the third one was the easiest one to understand! Fewer chits and support units but layers of political stuff. 1 is the most wargamey, 2 is a mix, and 3 is its own beast.
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Mar 10, 2017 17:49
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Asehujiko posted:GOTY 2017 right there. Gear Krieg, baby!  Not GK but four legs good, two legs bad. 
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Mar 10, 2017 18:52
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Is Pike & Shot still a thing that people play? I'm thinking of either grabbing that, or Command: Northern Inferno and maybe some of the Command Live DLC for the basegame.
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Mar 10, 2017 19:40
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Yooper posted:They did a patch and it's not as obnoxious as it used to be. It'll still gently caress you up, but not an entire battalions worth of armor in 10 minutes. Thank God. loving taking out four MBTs in a pass is the bullest of bullshit. And the accuracy of your fire against them is horrible even with dedicated AA. Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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Mar 10, 2017 19:45
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Chump Farts posted:Great googily moogily people can buy the first DC for ten bucks. I may get some OoB poo poo if I find a spare moment. I see it for $20, did they change the price or something?
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Mar 10, 2017 19:54
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Kind of interested into dipping a toe into one of these titles, but I never got huge into the large scale war games. Between their size, scope, and everything they had going on the UI, they always seemed so impenetrable. I've always been vaguely interested, but the price and the way they seemed to pander to an established audience was always a big turn off. Of the Slitherine scale titles on sale right now, which would be a good one for someone looking to check out the genre?
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Mar 10, 2017 20:49
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Zamboni Apocalypse posted:Gear Krieg, baby!
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Mar 10, 2017 21:04
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Mar 10, 2017 21:06
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:Kind of interested into dipping a toe into one of these titles, but I never got huge into the large scale war games. Between their size, scope, and everything they had going on the UI, they always seemed so impenetrable. I've always been vaguely interested, but the price and the way they seemed to pander to an established audience was always a big turn off. Decisive Campaigns: Blitzkrieg from Warsaw to Paris is probably the one I would recommend the most of the bunch for a newbie to the genre. There are also occasionally goon multiplayer games of it.
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Mar 10, 2017 21:07
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the land doctrine guy really really needs to release a manual...
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Mar 10, 2017 21:11
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Also, a nation designer, or some sort of buildup period before war. And a minimap.
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Mar 10, 2017 21:12
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Mar 10, 2017 21:18
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Does anyone actually like the new UI in Command Ops 2? I wouldn't mind buying some new content but I can't stand that weirdo windowing system when I've tried the demo scenarios.
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Mar 10, 2017 21:51
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Asehujiko posted:I mean, what does it actually do in the game? I tried it out but it swiftly overwhelmed me with a lot of contextless words and icons that I couldn't make sense of. I'm not sure what benefits there are, buy you take a constant 5% injury rate to cav units only, from fapping themselves raw. 
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Obfuscation posted:Does anyone actually like the new UI in Command Ops 2? I wouldn't mind buying some new content but I can't stand that weirdo windowing system when I've tried the demo scenarios. No. I agree. Weird layout and I can't resize it to actually fit my loving window. I hates it. But I like CO2. 
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Mar 10, 2017 22:15
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:Kind of interested into dipping a toe into one of these titles, but I never got huge into the large scale war games. Between their size, scope, and everything they had going on the UI, they always seemed so impenetrable. I've always been vaguely interested, but the price and the way they seemed to pander to an established audience was always a big turn off. pike and shot is easy to play, has a pretty robust skirmish mode, and an easy to understand interface. it's a good mix of casual and challenging
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Mar 10, 2017 22:34
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:I see it for $20, did they change the price or something? My phone cut the image out. The full 40 is worth it so 20 is still a steal.
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Mar 10, 2017 23:24
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Got a couple new games to be bad at. Command Northern Inferno and War in the Pacific. Dangerous Waters certainly didn't prepare me for CNI. I've shot down 2 Bears , but hosed if I even know where.
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Mar 10, 2017 23:36
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:Kind of interested into dipping a toe into one of these titles, but I never got huge into the large scale war games. Between their size, scope, and everything they had going on the UI, they always seemed so impenetrable. I've always been vaguely interested, but the price and the way they seemed to pander to an established audience was always a big turn off. Hello, friend! You're me, circa December! I bounced off several of the hex-based golden children of the genre - War in the Pacific and East - before I dropped hexes and got Command Modern Air Naval Operations and followed along with this excellent, EXCELLENT Lets Play series by SquattingFrog on Youtube. It's not the large scale war game, and controlling flights and ships and such is a lot different than moving tiles around a hex board, but it's the first groggy thing that stuck as actually fun and inspired me to try other things. For the hex-based stuff, could I recommend Flashpoint Campaigns: Red Storm and Decisive Campaigns: From Warsaw to Paris? Flashpoint Campaigns is zoomed in, focusing on areas of Germany during a hypothetical Cold War-Goes-Hot scenario in 1980-whatever. It's UI seems to be pretty reasonable and it has an interesting mechanic where orders are executed simultaneously but you issue NEW commands asynchronously, with how frequently you can change your units' orders determined by your army's organization. So Russian turns may be 30 seconds long, while the US gets to issue commands every 14 seconds. The better organized and supply situated gets more opportunity to adapt to their opponent's tactics. It's cool. I actually have DC Barbarossa but From Warsaw to Paris is apparently a better introduction as it's missing several complicating mechanics. People recommend it, and it's more a classic hex-and-tile based historical scenario. Barbarossa adds a Crusader Kings 2-type "choose your own adventure" reputation system with the generals and Fuhrer, which is cool, but the game is also mechanically solid and not so mindfucky as War in the East, which covers the same theater. Also, not related to the sale, but a very good/free place to step into the hex-base is the open-source evolution of late-90s game Panzer General II, Open General, which I said something about somewhere earlier: Squiggle posted:I'm sure this isn't news to the thread in general, but just in case someone - like me - has a budding interest in playing some hex-based wargames but are afraid to spend those sweet dollars, I somehow JUST found out about Open General. It took me a bit to figure out, but the content packs are different fan variants of the game and have different campaigns - all of them are complete and competent, and the "Blitz 2012" campaign is the PG2 campaign transferred over. It's cool, and lots of material online to learn about it. I admit, I don't know what I'm doing sometimes and it's complex and challenging, but I find these grog games weirdly rewarding. The detail in some of them is mind boggling, and it's fun to play with such detailed pieces of history. Squiggle fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Mar 11, 2017 |
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I got 30 Years War, fired up the Bohemian Revolt scenario as the Protestants, and got tricked into abandoning my defenses in Budweis because Bucquoy shadow walked past me towards Pilsen, then doubled back through my army to besiege it. My two stacks never activated at the same time so I had to send them in one after the other to get defeated in detail. Yay AGEOD!
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Blitzkrieg: Okay, wish the last mission was better. Good buy. Thanks, this is helpful. Turns out there's a package deal for 4 of the 5 DLC (everything but Winter War) so I went ahead and just got everything in true grognard fashion. (along with buying a ton of the other stuff in the sale that I didn't already own)
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HannibalBarca posted:I got 30 Years War, fired up the Bohemian Revolt scenario as the Protestants, and got tricked into abandoning my defenses in Budweis because Bucquoy shadow walked past me towards Pilsen, then doubled back through my army to besiege it. My two stacks never activated at the same time so I had to send them in one after the other to get defeated in detail. Yay AGEOD! Just merge your stacks together? Also playing the hardest activations settings against the AI is terrible because I think it always activates.
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