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Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Jamfrost posted:

Why do some websites only allow 16 character passwords? Like banks and universities.
I remember Uplay or Games for Windows at some point allowed you to set a password longer than 16 characters but chopped it down without telling you if you did and then fail any attempts to log in with what as far as you were aware was the correct password. That's the best system.

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Ragequit
Jun 1, 2006


Lipstick Apathy

Captain Foo posted:

You're looking for 1Password or paper-and-pen; now let's go back to preorders

??? http://store.steampowered.com/app/310060/ ???

Sininu
Jan 8, 2014

Ghostlight posted:

I remember Uplay or Games for Windows at some point allowed you to set a password longer than 16 characters but chopped it down without telling you if you did and then fail any attempts to log in with what as far as you were aware was the correct password. That's the best system.

It was GFWL, other MS services that used same account supported whatever passwords you wanted, but GFWL client was so well made it didn't like longer than 16 character passwords.

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

for true security place your computer inside a safe and then drop it into the ocean

Taciturn Tactician
Jan 27, 2011

The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation
Lipstick Apathy

Ghostlight posted:

I remember Uplay or Games for Windows at some point allowed you to set a password longer than 16 characters but chopped it down without telling you if you did and then fail any attempts to log in with what as far as you were aware was the correct password. That's the best system.

The one that drove me insane was Origen used to not update your password when you changed it unless you restarted the client so you could literally log in with the right password and have it reject it as wrong.

tight aspirations
Jul 13, 2009

http://labs.ice-pick.com/en/

betamax hipster
Aug 13, 2016

Ghostlight posted:

I remember Uplay or Games for Windows at some point allowed you to set a password longer than 16 characters but chopped it down without telling you if you did and then fail any attempts to log in with what as far as you were aware was the correct password. That's the best system.

Ubisoft let you enter special characters in your email address like + in some log in zones, but not others, so it was possible to make an account on the Ubisoft website that Uplay wouldn't allow you to attempt to log in as.

Roadie
Jun 30, 2013

Carecat posted:

I know of at least three games where the lifetime sub was good value (if you liked the game a lot), Star Trek Online, Champions Online and TheHunter. They were all around $200 so you were still taking a big risk.

STO was never good or interesting to start with.

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax
The idea of not using an up to date email for what is probably the biggest and longest-running money sink you'll have outside of a house or a car is utterly bizarre to me, but then again so was the idea that a person who can afford a gaming PC and enough games for selling trading cards to be a worthwhile investment not being able to afford as basic an amenity as a smart phone and the internet proved me wrong on that one.

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


guy man, stop it, you are making sense.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009

Kanfy posted:

I just write my passwords down on paper.

Same, if someone trusted or someone breaking in decides they're going to jack that paper I have far bigger problems then my something awful dot com account. All my really important poo poo (bank, main email) is memorized anyawys.

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009

Guy Mann posted:

but then again so was the idea that a person who can afford a gaming PC and enough games for selling trading cards to be a worthwhile investment not being able to afford as basic an amenity as a smart phone and the internet proved me wrong on that one.

:rolleyes: This is a stupid comparison.

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


I inscribe each of my passwords on a clay tablets (that i also use for 2fa) that i cryptograph using a rot13 of the chinese charactger set plus using a otp (one true pad) that i hide under einsteins grave that i have to dig out every time that i need to uise them, but my steam, gmail, and fetlife accounts are safe because i memorized them. your turn, plebs :smuggo:

Doorknob Slobber
Sep 10, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
I use an encrypted password program and never know my own passwords so that I can't be compelled in court to provide them

MMF Freeway
Sep 15, 2010

Later!

HardDiskD posted:

I inscribe each of my passwords on a clay tablets (that i also use for 2fa) that i cryptograph using a rot13 of the chinese charactger set plus using a otp (one true pad) that i hide under einsteins grave that i have to dig out every time that i need to uise them, but my steam, gmail, and fetlife accounts are safe because i memorized them. your turn, plebs :smuggo:

Clay tablets, really? Do you have any idea how easy it is to make a wax imprint from that?? Also it'd be better to use a random person's grave as anyone could guess Einstein given enough time, noob.

Hollow Talk
Feb 2, 2014
I have my scribe memorise my account details. Memorising things, like work, is for peasants.

tight aspirations
Jul 13, 2009

HardDiskD posted:

I inscribe each of my passwords on a clay tablets (that i also use for 2fa) that i cryptograph using a rot13 of the chinese charactger set plus using a otp (one true pad) that i hide under einsteins grave that i have to dig out every time that i need to uise them, but my steam, gmail, and fetlife accounts are safe because i memorized them. your turn, plebs :smuggo:

Einstein was cremated though?

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

Hollow Talk posted:

lol if you don't have Enrique memorise your account details

ftfy

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


tight aspirations posted:

Einstein was cremated though?

exactly

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009
I just keep my passwords saved in a post somewhere on this website

Zigmidge
May 12, 2002

Exsqueeze me, why the sour face? I'm here to lemon aid you. Let's juice it.
Mine is an amalgam of the first letter from each post that takes part in the lastpass/1pass/keepass debate from every subforum on something awful .com


I haven't finished transcribing it yet.

DaveKap
Feb 5, 2006

Pickle: Inspected.



Guy Mann posted:

The idea of not using an up to date email for what is probably the biggest and longest-running money sink you'll have outside of a house or a car is utterly bizarre to me, but then again so was the idea that a person who can afford a gaming PC and enough games for selling trading cards to be a worthwhile investment not being able to afford as basic an amenity as a smart phone and the internet proved me wrong on that one.
My Steam login is a defunct e-mail address because it was college provided, Gmail wasn't a thing yet, and I signed up before Steam let you use normal usernames to log in. They refuse to let you change it because they don't have anyone on staff who knows how to access the login database (is the story I made up.) So funny enough, I kinda fit into the thing you said, just not in the way you meant.

Also, having a defunct e-mail address as your login for Steam is a great way of having absolute account protection.

lazorexplosion
Mar 19, 2016

Password chat: make a random alphanumeric string up, like IXfQi5. Every password you make will have this in it, and you'll remember it easily because you use it all the time. Then, to make each password unique, add a couple of english words to it that are associated with that particular use. So your SA password might be IXfQi5passwordgaysowhat, bank password IXfQi5imsopoor and so on. Easy to remember, unique for each use, strong, impossible to dictionary attack.

odiv
Jan 12, 2003

DaveKap posted:

My Steam login is a defunct e-mail address
Think they meant as a contact email, not login.

I don't know how you can have a non-current email Steam bugs me to verify my email address a crazy amount (seems to have died down, but for a while it was once a month or so). There doesn't seem to be a way to say, "You know what, when it changes, I'll let you know."

il_cornuto
Oct 10, 2004

Speaking of hacking passwords, Invisible Inc is 70% on Steam right now so I finally bought it. I got the Contingency Plan DLC too, should I turn that off for my first game(s) to get used to the base game or have it on from the start?

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

il_cornuto posted:

Speaking of hacking passwords, Invisible Inc is 70% on Steam right now so I finally bought it. I got the Contingency Plan DLC too, should I turn that off for my first game(s) to get used to the base game or have it on from the start?

Turn it off. The main game mode is pretty short to run through and I like its balance. The dlc adds like another day to that timer so it's longer and harder.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Jack-Off Lantern posted:

Can you recommend a password manager?

your brain is pretty good imo

Seriously though once you type out even random gibberish strings maybe a couple dozen times, it gets committed to muscle memory.

il_cornuto
Oct 10, 2004

StrixNebulosa posted:

Turn it off. The main game mode is pretty short to run through and I like its balance. The dlc adds like another day to that timer so it's longer and harder.

Sounds good, thanks.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

il_cornuto posted:

Sounds good, thanks.

Have fun! If you aren't feeling the game, turn up the difficulty and try it then - it's one of those games that really comes alive when the tension is up.

DaveKap
Feb 5, 2006

Pickle: Inspected.



odiv posted:

Think they meant as a contact email, not login.
Oh, I know. That's why I said "I kinda fit into the thing you said, just not in the way you meant." It's just humorous to me how the phrasing fit my situation but wasn't the actual context being used. Also I felt like mentioning how stupid Valve is at handling login names and their inability to change them.

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

lazorexplosion posted:

Password chat: make a random alphanumeric string up, like IXfQi5. Every password you make will have this in it, and you'll remember it easily because you use it all the time. Then, to make each password unique, add a couple of english words to it that are associated with that particular use. So your SA password might be IXfQi5passwordgaysowhat, bank password IXfQi5imsopoor and so on. Easy to remember, unique for each use, strong, impossible to dictionary attack.

If I were to find your password in plaintext in a breach after having read this I'd have a much easier time cracking your password. If I were to see your plaintext password in two different breaches without seeing this post, I might recognize a pattern. Your method is dumb.

Use a password manager.

Jagged Jim
Sep 26, 2013

I... I can only look though the window...
Why try to remember long strings of random characters when you can just use your birthday for everything? Bing bang boom so simple. :colbert:

Cool Dad
Jun 15, 2007

It is always Friday night, motherfuckers

I email all of my passwords and personal information weekly to various warez groups and russian video game hackers for safekeeping

Jack-Off Lantern
Mar 2, 2012

Do you get sick keygen tunes out of that deal?

some dillweed
Mar 31, 2007

I don't know what the "right" method of creating passwords is, but considering that even after multiple of them have died I still have active accounts on over 170 sites and services, there's no way I'm remembering all of that poo poo regardless of how simple it might be to do things like make unique passphrases that have a common chunk. Not keeping your passwords on your PC might be a good idea, though. I just don't enjoy having to go through my paper copies to slowly type individual characters every time I have to re-login to some website that forgets my details after 30 minutes. Yes, I'm lazy and don't want to type my random strings out every day.

lazorexplosion
Mar 19, 2016

OSI bean dip posted:

If I were to find your password in plaintext in a breach after having read this I'd have a much easier time cracking your password. If I were to see your plaintext password in two different breaches without seeing this post, I might recognize a pattern. Your method is dumb.

Use a password manager.

Firstly you would have to find a place that stores plain text passwords which almost never happens because virtually everyone these days knows to at least store passwords as hashes. Then you'd need to human-read all the passwords in the database looking for patterns to figure out, nobody does this because lol at actually reading 100,000 passwords instead of just feeding them to a bot. Then you'd need to recompute all your rainbow tables and doing that to try and get a chance of a single user's login is an insane amount of work when you can just use automated attacks that compromise the millions of accounts with fewwordenglishpassword by the thousand.

You're so much more likely to have you password manager be compromised which is something that actually happens.

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.
Just give me your passwords and I'll keep track of them for you. :mrgw:

Justin_Brett
Oct 23, 2012

GAMERDOME put down LOSER
So XSeed has a stealth publisher sale going on until the Seventeenth, which includes the two Trails in the Sky games. Coincidentally I beat the second one just last night, so have a review of the first one, with SC touched on a bit.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









exquisite tea posted:

Bioware was aware of the writing problems that led into the ending of Mass Effect 3 and for Andromeda wisely chose to recruit the best man for the job, the guy who wrote Halo 4.

but the ending of me3 was fine so that means me:a should be good? :confuoot:

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StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Streets of Rogue is "Nuclear Throne + Deus Ex" and it's out on steam free to play for the weekend. Gonna give it a whirl in a mo here.

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