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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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LemonDrizzle posted:On a personal level, I think the only thing you can do is to make sure your financial position is robust and that you have exit options if you need them. I'd certainly be wary of making a house purchase at this point. I would be trying to divest myself of any debt, particularly that secured on homes. The fact is no-one really knows what will happen, but if the economy goes into the toilet like most expect, an interest rise is very likely to try and cap inflation. Anything tied to the bank of england base rate, like flexible rate mortgages and in particular, credit card debt, would rocket skyward.
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LemonDrizzle posted:On a personal level, I think the only thing you can do is to make sure your financial position is robust and that you have exit options if you need them. I'd certainly be wary of making a house purchase at this point. Maybe this'll finally destroy the UK property market so housing isn't insane.
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Mar 11, 2017 18:39
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LemonDrizzle posted:On a personal level, I think the only thing you can do is to make sure your financial position is robust and that you have exit options if you need them. I'd certainly be wary of making a house purchase at this point. I honestly don't think it will be that huge of an (economic) disaster. Obviously nobody knows though, and house prices can be finicky at the best of times. Still if you think you want to stay in the house until you pay off your mortgage then it's not that bad. But yeah interest rates rise or unemployment could throw a wrench into that too.
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Mar 11, 2017 18:39
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Pissflaps posted:Ive said this before but I'd be happy if there was never another referendum in the U.K. on any question ever again. What was the Clement Attlee quote about referendums again?
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Mar 11, 2017 18:40
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Pissflaps posted:Ive said this before but I'd be happy if there was never another referendum in the U.K. on any question ever again.
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Mar 11, 2017 18:41
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Pissflaps posted:I don't think Westminster should or will block it (though it's not really a 'block' more as a 'fail to agree to give one'), but I think it's reasonable that the timing of it is negotiated, especially if the Brexit negotiations are underway. So you think Labour in Holyrood should vote against a referendum but Labour in Westminster should vote for it. Seems like you agree with the positions of both Dugdale and Corbyn.
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Mar 11, 2017 18:43
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spectralent posted:Maybe this'll finally destroy the UK property market so housing isn't insane. Too much relies on the housing market staying positive. The government will prop it up no matter the cost to the rest of the country. What is more likely is a jump in foreclosures and bankruptcies of people on lower-mid incomes who have high levels of credit card debt and no savings. For a lot of people they only make the minimum payments each month, and a rise of 2% will send them into a spiral which they will not get out of.
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Mar 11, 2017 18:45
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jabby posted:So you think Labour in Holyrood should vote against a referendum but Labour in Westminster should vote for it. Seems like you agree with the positions of both Dugdale and Corbyn. I think that Jeremy Corbyn shouldn't undermine Scottish Labour's party line and if he wants to change that party line he should do so before blurting out what's on his mind like an OAP being questioned on local radio while doing their shopping.
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Mar 11, 2017 18:46
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Breath Ray posted:So the labour party should represent the beliefs of all its supporters however contradictory? Pissflaps posted:Are you talking about that Brexit three line whip? But inevitably, our chasing the center is wise pragmatism while your chasing the center is selling out principles for power.
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Mar 11, 2017 18:49
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serious gaylord posted:Too much relies on the housing market staying positive. The government will prop it up no matter the cost to the rest of the country. What is more likely is a jump in foreclosures and bankruptcies of people on lower-mid incomes who have high levels of credit card debt and no savings. For a lot of people they only make the minimum payments each month, and a rise of 2% will send them into a spiral which they will not get out of. If the entire economy implodes anyway, though, it'd be just another thing that went. I mean, it's bad, but whatever happens at the end of Brexit barring some kind of miraculous amicable divorce is going to be an utter disaster, so if the country's going to crash and burn it could least do so in a way that's sustainable when rebuilding.
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Mar 11, 2017 18:49
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Baron Corbyn posted:What was the Clement Attlee quote about referendums again? Either “the referendum is a device of dictators and demagogues” or "the public are too poorly informed, lets ask them as little as possible", I forget which.
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Mar 11, 2017 18:50
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I'm a little worried about flaps contempt for the elderly
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Mar 11, 2017 18:59
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36506163 watch it here you lazy fucks
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Mar 11, 2017 19:04
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I think we should love, cherish and respect the elderly. Unless they're dismantling the Labour Party as an effective parliamentary democracy. There's better ways of keeping your mind active.
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Mar 11, 2017 19:04
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Guavanaut posted:Perhaps we should put that question to the public in a strictly advisory manner. Someones been watching the Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer i see
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Mar 11, 2017 19:19
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Pistol_Pete posted:The UK public is currently living in a fool's paradise where they have no concept of what a fundamental change leaving the EU's going to be and just how much it's going to hurt them. Couldn't hurt to look into your possibilities for leaving the country. Not saying anyone should leave, just that there's no harm in having an idea of where you'd go, what you'd need to do and how you'd arrange it.
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Mar 11, 2017 19:26
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That sounds really scary to those of us unlikely to be able to leave. I don't see anywhere in Europe as particularly enticing and while I have a degree it's not STEM or in demand so the chances of getting a job or being head hunted is low-impossible. Am I going to die? If the best course of action is to literally flee if you can what the gently caress is going to happen to us that can't? You're giving me a panic attack.
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Mar 11, 2017 19:36
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How bad is it really going to get? Like is everyone just overreacting or is this really going to be as bad as people are implying?
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Mar 11, 2017 19:39
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Don't worry about it. I mean, even if the UK does completely implode I am sure the EU will take a generous and compassionate stance toward refugees from a neighbouring failed state
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Mar 11, 2017 19:40
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Regarde Aduck posted:That sounds really scary to those of us unlikely to be able to leave. I don't see anywhere in Europe as particularly enticing and while I have a degree it's not STEM or in demand so the chances of getting a job or being head hunted is low-impossible. Am I going to die? If the best course of action is to literally flee if you can what the gently caress is going to happen to us that can't? You're giving me a panic attack. What you don't like the sound of the Netherlands? or Sunny Lisbon, or Barce-loving-lona?! Or France with all it's delicious wine? Berlin is a great place to live by all accounts.
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Mar 11, 2017 19:43
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Tigey posted:Don't worry about it. I mean, even if the UK does completely implode I am sure the EU will take a generous and compassionate stance toward refugees from a neighbouring failed state Can't wait for France to build a concentration camp in the Channel Tunnel
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Mar 11, 2017 19:44
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and i must meme posted:How bad is it really going to get? Like is everyone just overreacting or is this really going to be as bad as people are implying? The genuine answer is nobody knows. The thread's taking the most pessimistic possibility for comfort, but nobody knows how anything's going to go down.
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Mar 11, 2017 19:44
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It'll be fine. Economics is all made up stuff anyway. The sky will not fall and the UK will still be one of the safest, best places to live on this stupid planet. Will still be full of cunts mind, but it was before.
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Mar 11, 2017 19:46
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Regarde Aduck posted:That sounds really scary to those of us unlikely to be able to leave. I don't see anywhere in Europe as particularly enticing and while I have a degree it's not STEM or in demand so the chances of getting a job or being head hunted is low-impossible. Am I going to die? If the best course of action is to literally flee if you can what the gently caress is going to happen to us that can't? You're giving me a panic attack. I'm not saying that that is what is going to happen, I'm just saying that if you are in a position to do so (and if Pistol_Pete is buying property than I assume he is, at least financially) then why would you not look into your options? The UK doesn't have to become a literal hellmouth for there to be better places to live abroad, and if you decide that things are becoming intolerable here then at least you already have an idea of your next move. I don't know how else you can prepare because I, like everyone else, has no idea what's going to happen here. I assume "be loving loaded" would be a good start, but failing that not being here when the fallout lands seems a safe bet. e: Also while it's not exactly a matter of just getting on a plane and starting your new life, I don't think moving abroad is as expensive or difficult as most people think. I'm probably going to leave the UK for a second time in the next couple of months, I can try and keep track of what it costs me to do so this time around and how long it takes to get set up. I reckon last time it cost me about £2k all-in, over maybe six weeks, but I didn't keep exact tabs and I had a contract signed and a job at the other end. big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Mar 11, 2017 |
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and i must meme posted:How bad is it really going to get? Like is everyone just overreacting or is this really going to be as bad as people are implying? Nothing is going to happen for the next 2 years or so. After that, when the UK actually leaves the EU, there will be a period of 5 years or so where living conditions will slowly degrade, unemployment and inflation will rise, and the GBP will keep going down until it's equal to the US dollar (salaries won't go up though, and house prices won't go down). I know I'm usually ringing the bells of doom in this thread, but in all honesty it won't be that bad. Quality of life in the UK will just go down a bit (to France/Spain levels), but it won't implode. Hopefully after this is all well and done, people will elect a Labour government and public opinion will veer towards the left, and the UK will slowly start recovering. As to what to do, if you're a professional in demand and a EU citizen, you can start getting ready to jump ship to greener pastures in ~2 years time (Amsterdam and Berlin are probably good choices). If you're neither, eh, hang in there I guess, it will pass.
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Mar 11, 2017 19:50
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I've got my eye on La Costa in Ecuador, will have to learn bloody Spanish though and for some reason i'm really bad at learning foreign languages.
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and i must meme posted:How bad is it really going to get? Like is everyone just overreacting or is this really going to be as bad as people are implying? Really bad. We have very little that other countries can't provide, so the incentive after we drop out of all our trade deals will not be for them to get us back on board as a business partner, but to steal all our profitable industries and become the economic hearts of Europe in our place.
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Mar 11, 2017 20:06
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Seaside Loafer posted:I've got my eye on La Costa in Ecuador, will have to learn bloody Spanish though and for some reason i'm really bad at learning foreign languages. It's easier when you're immersed in it.
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Mar 11, 2017 20:06
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big scary monsters posted:It's easier when you're immersed in it. This is true, but even more so if the locals don't speak perfect English (shakes fist at the Dutch).
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Mar 11, 2017 20:08
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I honestly didn't really enjoy Berlin when I stayed there for a time. I much preferred Frankfurt.
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Mar 11, 2017 20:09
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Bobstar posted:This is true, but even more so if the locals don't speak perfect English (shakes fist at the Dutch). I found that after a few months of lessons my Dutch became just about good enough that they wouldn't immediately switch to English when I opened my mouth. From there you get better much faster! There's a definite level you need to achieve before they'll tolerate befouling their language by allowing you to speak it though.
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Mar 11, 2017 20:10
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big scary monsters posted:It's easier when you're immersed in it.
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Mar 11, 2017 20:10
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big scary monsters posted:I found that after a few months of lessons my Dutch became just about good enough that they wouldn't immediately switch to English when I opened my mouth. From there you get better much faster! There's a definite level you need to achieve before they'll tolerate befouling their language by allowing you to speak it though. Yeah thankfully I've reached that point now. This followed a period of Shop person (in Dutch): "Hallo!" Me: oh no I've been rumbled... "Hello, sorry I'm English..."
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Mar 11, 2017 20:20
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HJB posted:The genuine answer is nobody knows. The thread's taking the most pessimistic possibility for comfort, but nobody knows how anything's going to go down. We're taking the most pessimistic possibility because the UK as a functioning state and economy has been deeply integrated with the EU for decades, and the people responsible for handling our emergency ejection (given the short timespan involved) seem to have no perspective whatsoever, a plan that reads more like a kid's letter to Santa, and none of the necessary negotiating structure or bargaining power in place The 'optimistic' reading seems to be the equivalent of 'hope the EU gets hit by a bus', which only improves our position in a relative sense. I haven't heard any visions for a successful independent UK that don't just fall back on our equivalent of 'USA! USA! USA!' and poo poo about exporting jam and scones to anglophiles. There isn't really anything to be comforted by, except the hope that people will see how badly it's going and cancelling the whole thing (possibly even with meaningful improvements as a sweetener) will actually become politically viable
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Mar 11, 2017 20:21
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Who in loving hell is Paul Cattermole and why do half of the posters in this thread have redtext about him?
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Mar 11, 2017 20:26
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Mar 11, 2017 20:39
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Lightning Lord posted:Who in loving hell is Paul Cattermole and why do half of the posters in this thread have redtext about him? I SPY STRANGERS! *dons top hat, clears the viewing gallery in the house of commons*
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Mar 11, 2017 20:41
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jBrereton posted:Pretty sure it's the 1 time the largest party by vote didn't win the GE but I might be wrong. Not quite, it happened in February 1974 as well.
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Mar 11, 2017 20:42
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Lightning Lord posted:Who in loving hell is Paul Cattermole and why do half of the posters in this thread have redtext about him? smh if you aren't cool with the 'mole
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Lightning Lord posted:Who in loving hell is Paul Cattermole and why do half of the posters in this thread have redtext about him? Watch it
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