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Some Numbers posted:The Gen 1 Game Corner is in Celadon, so you could get a Porygon before fighting Erika. Porygon was a trick, the real treasure there was the Scyther which which was practically put there for the people who did start out with Charmander to solo the Gym. Lord Koth posted:...So you wonder traded them a bunch of lvl 1 stage 1(out of 3) dragons that don't evolve until 35/45. Congrats? As opposed to a goddamn fully evolved dragon that is just randomly available on the first island through S.O.S. battles at levels far below where it normally evolves at. I'm not talking about catching and using Bagon here (though that's obviously an option too; and Goomy on island 2), I'm talking about you can literally catch Salamence at those levels. At the level you catch it all the recipient would have to do is level it up twice and it'd reach its final evolution. Not really that big a deal, especially with all the rare candies the game throws at you.
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I think the backhoe is super dumb and not even in a good way. The crab and snail are both very cute though. 
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Mar 11, 2017 17:23
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Kay Kessler posted:Porygon was a trick, the real treasure there was the Scyther which which was practically put there for the people who did start out with Charmander to solo the Gym.
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Mar 11, 2017 17:39
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KataraniSword posted:Bagon was perfectly serviceable in Ruby/Sapphire, the problem was that Ruby/Sapphire did weird things with evolutions like making Shelgon stupidly weak and not tanky enough to make up for it, or making Vigoroth better than its evolved form just because Slaking's ability is literal dead weight. No idea about competetive (I'm sure it's garbage there) but for the actual games Slaking is completely ridiculous. Being able to attack only every other turn doesn't matter so much if you have the stats to oneshot most things; it's pretty much a tactical nuke you can get fairly early on.
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Mar 11, 2017 17:54
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Aerdan posted:Well...they're all still based on human byproducts. yeah i'm sure the ability to convert any amount of matter into pure energy to store in tiny balls to be recalled at anytime is only a few decades away
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Mar 11, 2017 18:17
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Zore posted:Porygon isn't even the only man-made pokemon. Castform, Type:Null/Silvally,... and that doesn't even count things like Genesect which was heavily modified, or Voltorb which is literally a pokeball that spontaneously gained life. Don't forget Mewtwo. Literally a man-made super Pokemon. Aerdan posted:Well...they're all still based on human byproducts. Don't forget they have awesome video phones that go, "Ring ring ring ring, phone call, phone call!"  That and the ability to instantly transport objects over long distances.
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Mar 11, 2017 18:27
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Lord Koth posted:...So you wonder traded them a bunch of lvl 1 stage 1(out of 3) dragons that don't evolve until 35/45. Congrats? As opposed to a goddamn fully evolved dragon that is just randomly available on the first island through S.O.S. battles at levels far below where it normally evolves at. I'm not talking about catching and using Bagon here (though that's obviously an option too; and Goomy on island 2), I'm talking about you can literally catch Salamence at those levels. Uhh, The point was to trade it out to little kids just starting the game who wanted to have the awesome dragon (because of the tautological reason that it is, in fact, a dragon) at their own pace rather than have to grind a 5% chance in a field of grass, also badge mechanics still exist and would make level 45 jangmo-o's a fairly hefty annoyance. Also most of SuMo's stage 1 mons are pretty lovely.
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Mar 11, 2017 18:36
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KataraniSword posted:Bagon was perfectly serviceable in Ruby/Sapphire, the problem was that Ruby/Sapphire did weird things with evolutions like making Shelgon stupidly weak and not tanky enough to make up for it, or making Vigoroth better than its evolved form just because Slaking's ability is literal dead weight. Ha, joke's on you, Vigoroth was never any good either!
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Mar 11, 2017 19:47
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I'm trying to think of ways to stop MEGAWEAPON. Excadrill, maybe? Dugtrio if it can get to it before it can speed up? Then again, no idea if either of them is in the Uranium 'Dex (and Excadrill is already kind of the MEGAWEAPON of Gen V...).
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Mar 11, 2017 20:23
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krisslanza posted:Don't forget Mewtwo. Literally a man-made super Pokemon. Mewtwo being manmade is an anime thing. In the games Mew gives live? birth to it in South America which is all kinds of out of whack with later stuff.
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Mar 11, 2017 20:40
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Zore posted:Mewtwo being manmade is an anime thing. In the games Mew gives live? birth to it in South America which is all kinds of out of whack with later stuff. Mew gave live birth, but only after DNA experiements to alter it. From RB's dex entry quote:It was created by a scientist after years of horrific gene splicing and DNA engineering experiments. and then judging by the rest of the Pokemon mansion I assume they did other experiments on it post-birth.
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Mar 11, 2017 20:45
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My last run of Moon was an entire team of pseudo legendaries all starting at level 5. Their stats aren't very good, but the exp share makes leveling them much easier and they all have some gimmicks to help out. A lot of them learn Dragon Rage early on which is great, and Larvitar can deal with the handful of Fairies you'll find at first. It was a struggle once Dragon Rage started falling off, but then they all evolved at 30 and became pretty good.
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Mar 11, 2017 20:49
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Uranium has 3 psudeo-legendary lines by the way.
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Mar 11, 2017 21:02
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only three??
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Uranium has 3 psudeo-legendary lines by the way. Aren't there only 200 pokemon in the dex?
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Mar 11, 2017 21:07
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Zore posted:Aren't there only 200 pokemon in the dex? it's 200, but some of those may or may not be in the game due to just not being implemented. i think there's even an entire legendary trio (out of two sets) that isn't put in
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Mar 11, 2017 21:18
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mandatory lesbian posted:yeah i'm sure the ability to convert any amount of matter into pure energy to store in tiny balls to be recalled at anytime is only a few decades away That's not even technology, actually, it's naturally occurring. Apricorns were the original Pokeballs, used since ancient times!
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Mar 11, 2017 21:20
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for a comparison, i think sage has like 3-4 pseudo-legendaries that are all part dragon but sage also doesn't have fairy type or megas plus it starts out in an icy area so ice pokemon aren't at a premium in the slightest
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Mar 11, 2017 21:24
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LAY-ZX posted:That's not even technology, actually, it's naturally occurring. Apricorns were the original Pokeballs, used since ancient times! that is actually still technology, tech doesn't have to be metal bits and computers the first wheels were just wood after all
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Mar 11, 2017 21:33
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also it is established that you have to do something to the apricorns to catch pokemon with them, or else you would just be able to use them straight from the tree
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Mar 11, 2017 21:34
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Yeah you have to fit them with the miniaturization device. Basically pokeballs used to be artisnal and singular/expensive until the pokeball company came up with its cheap mass produced designs and forced the craftsmen out of buisness Note how the apricorn balls are all better than the mass produced crap that replaced them.
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Mar 11, 2017 22:02
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They are more specialized, but not necessarily better.
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Mar 11, 2017 22:18
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Apricorns certainly look better, and that's all I really care about. Quick Balls are broadly the most useful though.
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Mar 11, 2017 22:33
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Zore posted:Yeah you have to fit them with the miniaturization device. if ancient people in the pokemon world had access to miniaturization devices then pokemon tech is like, centuries ahead of us
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Mar 11, 2017 22:37
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mandatory lesbian posted:if ancient people in the pokemon world had access to miniaturization devices then pokemon tech is like, centuries ahead of us I'm pretty sure the pre-modern people just had their Pokemon with them. I want to say that's offhandedly mentioned in HGSS for as to why you should try and keep one of your 'mons out of its ball.
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Mar 11, 2017 22:44
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If Kurt could make Dusk Balls, then I'd use Kurt more often. But he can't. He just falls down wells and hurts his back. 
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Mar 11, 2017 22:58
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Dr Subterfuge posted:Apricorns certainly look better, and that's all I really care about. Dusk are the most useful my man. They're just as powerful as quick balls but on every turn.
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Dabir posted:Dusk are the most useful my man. They're just as powerful as quick balls but on every turn. Only in 4th Gen. In B/W they changed the catch rate on them. Now it's: Dusk Ball - 3.5x in "dark" areas (caves, outdoors at nighttime), 1x otherwise (Unchanged from Gen 4) Quick Ball - 5x when used as the opening (first-turn) move, 1x otherwise. (In Gen 4: 4x on first turn) One could argue that the 1.5x bonus only "makes up" for the inability to hit a wild pokemon with a status/wear it down before trying to catch it, and the .5x bonus in Gen 4 certainly is that way, but numerically they're not actually quite as strong.  Also, since this is Pokemon Uranium, I fully expect both Dusk and Quick Balls to be postgame-only.
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KataraniSword posted:
They aren't or I would've shot myself. Or play the game to completion, as it were.
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Quick has a decent chance of just ending any catchable encounter on the first turn, no fuss. Dusk is definitely still very useful, but mainly after that, and only in the dark. E: I type gud Dr Subterfuge fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Mar 11, 2017 |
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mandatory lesbian posted:yeah i'm sure the ability to convert any amount of matter into pure energy to store in tiny balls to be recalled at anytime is only a few decades away I honestly hope so 
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Mar 11, 2017 23:48
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:They aren't or I would've shot myself. I would've just gone and made Master Balls buyable like the Rare Candies at that point. Everyone gets to live in the most swag and plush ball.
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krisslanza posted:I would've just gone and made Master Balls buyable like the Rare Candies at that point. Pretty sure that's the Luxury Ball, the Master Ball's just the one with the best locks.
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Bogart posted:If Kurt could make Dusk Balls, then I'd use Kurt more often. But he can't. He just falls down wells and hurts his back. if you would just stop stepping on the cracks you monster
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Mar 12, 2017 04:25
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KataraniSword posted:That's actually a bit of a grey area in the "manmade" vs "natural" argument, given how heavily Pokémon bases things off Japanese mythology. Depending on the depiction, literally anything that has existed for a long enough time can gain a spirit of its own and become a tsukumogami, and while Japan itself has been cleaning up a lot in the past 30 or 40 years, its pollution issues were bad. Like, China or metropolitan USA levels of bad. It might be depressing to think "this pile of sludge/this garbage heap has been around for over a century and has attained sentience" but I think it's honestly the underlying design decision behind them. Considering that Grimers eat pollution, I'd say it's more optimistic. The garbage was so bad it became monster. But now that people want to fix things, even the garbage monsters are ready to help. Kinda cheery.
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Mar 12, 2017 04:34
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The new hotness is keeping normal pokemon in beastballs, waisting millions of pokedollars each.
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Mar 12, 2017 04:51
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Vorpal Cat posted:The new hotness is keeping normal pokemon in beastballs, waisting millions of pokedollars each. Plural, since normal pokeballs are ten times more effective at catching any non-UB pokemon than Beast Balls are.
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Mar 12, 2017 04:56
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Shouldn't have made the Beastballs look like awesome wireframe pokeballs, then.
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Paul.Power posted:I'm trying to think of ways to stop MEGAWEAPON. Excadrill, maybe? Dugtrio if it can get to it before it can speed up? Then again, no idea if either of them is in the Uranium 'Dex (and Excadrill is already kind of the MEGAWEAPON of Gen V...). Self-Destruct
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Tracton has really bad 4 move slot syndrome. It really wants Ice Fang for Landorus-T, Fire Fang for Ferrothorn and Mega Scizor and Drill Run for Heatran and only has one spare moveslot. And no matter what it runs it will always be walled by Hippowdon and Skarmory.
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