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Predator fans expect less, I think. There's only been one truly great Predator movie. I think Predator 2 is amazing, but I wouldn't necessarily call it a good movie; the AvP films were dumb clusterfucks; and Predators was fun but forgettable.
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There isn't really an over arching story for Predator. It's a Predator comes down or shows up and the heroes get it cocky enough so that they could kill it. And thassit.
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CelticPredator posted:There isn't really an over arching story for Predator. It's a Predator comes down or shows up and the heroes get it cocky enough so that they could kill it. And thassit. The thing I've found entertaining lately is that while the Alien comics and novels made it a point to Reboot The Canon a couple years ago, the Predator series has been doing the opposite - we're getting a comic series later this year that's literally a reunion tour of characters from the 90s Predator comics who survived their Predator encounters, and there's a short story anthology coming out this year or next year that's going to do the same thing for the old Predator novels (and some cameos from movie characters). So on one side of the aisle you've got Ridley Scott with a stranglehold on a franchise for the indefinite future (for better or for worse) and literally saying "you guys want Aliens? I'll give you loving Aliens", and on the other side you've got a bunch of authors and artists making shameless callbacks to Predator comics and novels nobody really remembers anyway unless they're a turbofan like me. The approaches to franchise management couldn't be any more different.
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io9 has a spoiler-filled summary of three scenes they saw. One is a relatively quiet scene when they first arrive, the next explains the explosion in the trailer and the last one features David. Summary: 2nd clip: Baby xeno comes out of a guy in the medbay, kills someone and when another character tries to kill it with a shotgun she accidentally hit tanks containing flammable material. The xeno escapes the explosion. 3rd clip: Captain Oram (Billy Crudup) is talking with David, who is studying the xenos and have dissected some specimens. He confirms what we saw in the trailers: those pods on the ground release insectoid carriers (apparently transformed from black goo) that infect other creatures to create hybrids. David says that the familiar xeno eggs are waiting for "mother" and assures Oram that humans are safe. Oram checks an egg and gets facehugged. There are also videos of the Q&A session afterwards. Speaking of Predator, a photo of The Predator cast: 
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Mar 12, 2017 00:44
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SimonCat posted:Blade Runner, Alien, and Soldier are all in the same universe. Wait what, how is Blade Runner? And what's Soldier?
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willie_dee posted:Wait what, how is Blade Runner? And what's Soldier? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxi34UDA1b4
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willie_dee posted:Wait what, how is Blade Runner? And what's Soldier? Short answer: It's the reason I'm always shocked Paul W.S. Anderson gets work. He directed an action movie set in the Blade Runner universe about the transition from brainwashed humans to the earliest wave of perfectly bred super soldiers, Tanhauser Gate, etc., and it stars Kurt Russell, Jason Scott Lee and Gary Busey..............and it's one of the limpest and most boring mass released sci-fi movies ever made.
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http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/11/14894898/alien-covenant-preview-ridley-scott-sxsw-2017 Article goes a little bit more in depth on the three scenes that got shown, the big reveal being that David is the one who "bred" the xenos as we know them from the fauna already on the planet.
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The MSJ posted:io9 has a spoiler-filled summary of three scenes they saw. One is a relatively quiet scene when they first arrive, the next explains the explosion in the trailer and the last one features David. Olivia Munn looks really different with a mustache.
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Soldier is funny because Kurt Russell is comically silent throughout the movie, with only 104 words spoken according to IMDb. Other than that it sucks rear end.
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Soldier is good, unless you loathe fun or something dumb like that
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WTF BEES posted:http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/11/14894898/alien-covenant-preview-ridley-scott-sxsw-2017 but there was a mural of them in prometheus. wth.
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Groovelord Neato posted:but there was a mural of them in prometheus. wth. yeah, David creating the xenos makes no sense in relation to the larger Alien timeline, but gently caress it it is what it is. Just pretend it didn't happen; that's what I'm doing.
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He's creating them using local fuana, so it's more like he's breeding them for optimum lethality.
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it's funny ridley seems to not like the alien queen concept because 1. the queen is the coolest alien but 2. thematically it's way more interesting if the xenomorphs are a naturally occurring species. you have the space jockeys finding them and using them as a weapon and it turns on them and then you have the company in their greed and hubris wanting to capture them and make them into weapons despite it already failing once for this ancient alien and then again for the nostromo. that had been my reading of the two movies ever since i was pretty young.
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Black Bones posted:Soldier is good, unless you loathe fun or something dumb like that No one trusts Kurt Russell because he's a soldier, but he grabs a snake before it bites a family member, now they trust him, five minute Enya montage of people farming. Fun.
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Yeah soldier sounds like it's a fun and stupid b-movie in synopsis form, but it's actually glacially paced and boring.
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's funny ridley seems to not like the alien queen concept because 1. the queen is the coolest alien but 2. thematically it's way more interesting if the xenomorphs are a naturally occurring species. you have the space jockeys finding them and using them as a weapon and it turns on them and then you have the company in their greed and hubris wanting to capture them and make them into weapons despite it already failing once for this ancient alien and then again for the nostromo. that had been my reading of the two movies ever since i was pretty young. The aliens being just big parasitic wasps is actually lame
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nah. otherwise i wouldn't have made the post. nature is scary and uncaring. even in the original movie they seem to be space bugs. married but discreet posted:I'm firmly on team eggmorph, team slime bees can suck it. they aren't mutually exclusive. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Mar 12, 2017 |
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I'm firmly on team eggmorph, team slime bees can suck it.
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DeimosRising posted:The aliens being just big parasitic wasps is actually lame I agree with this, it creates certain assumptions about their behavior and intelligence. And even on the commentary track for Aliens, James Cameron, I mean his ego is massive he doesn't say he hosed up, but he speaks for a few minutes about how he likes the idea of the aliens being very intelligent in ways the human brain doesn't really parse and how that may not come across in the movie (lol of course I think he worded it more like people didn't get his vision). But stuff like when Hudson says "How can they cut the power man they're animals" etc. Cameron's intention wasn't that they just chewed on or spat acid on a bunch of poo poo and it broke the lights but that they literally have the intelligence to be like oh here's some circuit breakers lets switch all of these off even if they don't use technology themselves. IIRC he sort of implies that he wanted their bio-mechanical, half-built/robotic nature to be the reason their brains have an affinity for comprehending basic circuitry quickly and navigating the airducts to get the drop on the marines quickly and so on. Either way Aliens is amazing but a lot of EU stuff really does take it to the extreme of them just being an oversize ant colony and when we see the xenomorph ripped off in pop culture in video games/other movies/etc. that's how the portrayal goes. Personally I like both the egg morph and the queen existing at once, like why not? Maybe when an alien is really "old" it's able to egg morph itself away or something whatever. Oh man in the video game Dead Space, there's a brief level where you have to find these things the necromorphs placed throughout that are polluting the station's environment and it turns out they're still alive in the process of being egg-morphed dudes, it's awesome. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Mar 12, 2017 |
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speaking of video games, it's funny how the zerg of starcraft are a ripoff of the tyranids of warhammer (a ripoff of xenomorphs) and now the space jockeys are the xel'naga of starcraft.
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Groovelord Neato posted:nah. otherwise i wouldn't have made the post. Actually, in the original movie, the alien was a dark reflection of the astronaut crew. Its carapace didn't invoke that of an insect, but of a techno-organic space suit with hoses and a translucent dome helmet. James Cameron and Stan Winston altered the original HR Giger creature design to be more insect like in Aliens.
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Holy gently caress. I just noticed that Alien fandom is egg-morphing into something resembling Star Wars fandom.
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Groovelord Neato posted:speaking of video games, it's funny how the zerg of starcraft are a ripoff of the tyranids of warhammer (a ripoff of xenomorphs) and now the space jockeys are the xel'naga of starcraft. From what I understand the Tyranids used to be a lot closer to space Vampires, and the Zerg were a lot like that in the early design phase of Starcraft, but were then changed into their actual Starcraft 1 design (Starcraft 2 Zerg are dumb and bad). The Tyranids were then changed to be more Zerg-like as Starcraft grew in popularity. And of course they all owe a pretty big debt to the xenomorphs creatively. It's all very incestuous.
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As long as it's hosed up and horrifying, I'm okay with any method of xenomorph reproduction. Who knows, the Neomorph might be a Thing!I didn't read any of the spoilers please don't spoil this poo poo
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UmOk posted:Holy gently caress. I just noticed that Alien fandom is egg-morphing into something resembling Star Wars fandom. Scott made the Alien prequels he wanted to make.
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I love egg morphing and Alien Queens.
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Kulkasha posted:As long as it's hosed up and horrifying, I'm okay with any method of xenomorph reproduction. Who knows, the Neomorph might be a Thing!I didn't read any of the spoilers please don't spoil this poo poo I love this method because they had the budget to eggs and a few different locations to shoot in but just for one big alien face so the "reproduction" method is that when someone comes near the alien egg it pulses and then explodes some goop over the person. Shortly after, the person explodes. That's it.  This movie owns though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NUAehspCTU
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Mecha Gojira posted:Actually, in the original movie, the alien was a dark reflection of the astronaut crew. Its carapace didn't invoke that of an insect, but of a techno-organic space suit with hoses and a translucent dome helmet.
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Neo Rasa posted:I love this method because they had the budget to eggs and a few different locations to shoot in but just for one big alien face so the "reproduction" method is that when someone comes near the alien egg it pulses and then explodes some goop over the person. Shortly after, the person explodes. That's it. Honestly I almost find the eggs from Contamination a little scarier. Xenomorphs at least kill you to keep their life cycle going, the Contamination eggs just kill you for... no apparent reason.
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It's true the movie kind of does a bad job at being creepy because it gives the eggs that adorable warbling sound and all the body explosions are in extreme slow motion so they look crazy at first but then you clearly see the squib/etc. stuff used for the effect. But the concept, especially that the ending is just straight up "sorry folks they actually did distribute them all over NYC, the planet dies" is definitely up there. The total lack of endgame for the alien at the end, how it even managed to get back, Italian cinema has always been 100% correct in worrying first about whether or not something is cool and worrying never about if something makes sense, the best ones come together in a dream logic way that I love. If anyone wants to check it out in English, just please don't mix it up with "Alien Contamination," this is an unrelated and terrible movie but was also called just Contamination in some releases.
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Neo Rasa posted:No one trusts Kurt Russell because he's a soldier, but he grabs a snake before it bites a family member, now they trust him, five minute Enya montage of people farming. Fun. . . yeah? edit: Garbage farmers hate space snakes, it's obviously the most effective way to earn their respect Blood Boils fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Mar 12, 2017 |
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Veib posted:Soldier is funny because Kurt Russell is comically silent throughout the movie, with only 104 words spoken according to IMDb. Other than that it sucks rear end. He broke his leg in like the first week of shooting so he couldn't walk much. Making for a slow boring movie with a stupid plot. Ghosts of Mars was better. The 10 seconds looking at the medals Kurt Russell got from killing all the "Alien" aliens, aliens from the thing and bladerunner robots does not make up for a 2 hour movie being awful. 
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Neo Rasa posted:It's true the movie kind of does a bad job at being creepy because it gives the eggs that adorable warbling sound and all the body explosions are in extreme slow motion so they look crazy at first but then you clearly see the squib/etc. stuff used for the effect. But the concept, especially that the ending is just straight up "sorry folks they actually did distribute them all over NYC, the planet dies" is definitely up there. The total lack of endgame for the alien at the end, how it even managed to get back, Italian cinema has always been 100% correct in worrying first about whether or not something is cool and worrying never about if something makes sense, the best ones come together in a dream logic way that I love. I think you might have that backwards about Alien Contamination, AC was the alternate title Cannon used when they released Contamination in the US.
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Tenzarin posted:He broke his leg in like the first week of shooting so he couldn't walk much. Making for a slow boring movie with a stupid plot. Ghosts of Mars was better. The 10 seconds looking at the medals Kurt Russell got from killing all the "Alien" aliens, aliens from the thing and bladerunner robots does not make up for a 2 hour movie being awful. macready cross. nice.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I think you might have that backwards about Alien Contamination, AC was the alternate title Cannon used when they released Contamination in the US. You're right, I mixed it up with the Jack Palance film Without Warning, which some sites seem to have listed as "Alien Contamination." 
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Neo Rasa posted:I love this method because they had the budget to eggs and a few different locations to shoot in but just for one big alien face so the "reproduction" method is that when someone comes near the alien egg it pulses and then explodes some goop over the person. Shortly after, the person explodes. That's it. Live translation as provided by YouTube: 
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Groovelord Neato posted:macready cross. nice. All his medals are shout outs to his other roles.
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