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little munchkin posted:ahh, clearly the solution to standard's woes is to turn it into a 1-deck format Didn't we just have that? And before that we had 4 color rally only standard.
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Banning Ballista and Felidar would not make the format a 1 deck format. With Felidar gone, things like G/W tokens can actually be viable.
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Mar 12, 2017 18:34
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Conceptually speaking in Magic, "infinite" damage always beats "infinite" life due to an artifact of the rules of the game.
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Mar 12, 2017 18:36
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DangerDongs posted:Banning Ballista and Felidar would not make the format a 1 deck format. With Felidar gone, things like G/W tokens can actually be viable. And then that can get banned out in 3 months when it does well too.
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Mar 12, 2017 18:38
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I don't think you understand bannings. Copter got banned for being to universal while broken, just like Ballista would. Emrakul ruined the format, and reflector mage was a mistake, but maybe a blessing while Felidar was in the game. The only card they would consider banning in G/W tokens in Gideon, and he isn't that oppressive / universal.
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Mar 12, 2017 18:41
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DangerDongs posted:I don't think you understand bannings. Copter got banned for being to universal while broken, just like Ballista would. Emrakul ruined the format, and reflector mage was a mistake, but maybe a blessing while Felidar was in the game. I don't see the case for banning Ballista at all.
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Mar 12, 2017 18:44
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Reminder that Ceremonious Rejection is a card alongside Walking Ballista It's blue's time to shine, baby 
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Mar 12, 2017 18:44
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Gideon is stupid and should never have been printed, but he isn't really banworthy the way cat is or emrakul was That said, he was far more egregious than reflector mage and should have been banned instead of the latter
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Mar 12, 2017 18:47
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Rinkles posted:I don't see the case for banning Ballista at all. The thought process is that the big three decks are Mardu, 4-copycat, and B/G. If you ban Felidar then these two dominate uncontested more than likely. Arguably the best card in both the decks is an artifact creature. It isn't as broken as Copter was. I would be fine with just seeing Felidar gone and seeing how things shake out, but I don't think they will ban 1 card from one deck and leave the other two decks untouched. Edit: I won't lie, I like the card value of the 4-copycat deck, but the combo aspect of it is bad game design. DangerDongs fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Mar 12, 2017 |
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Mar 12, 2017 18:47
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Felidar Guardian renders unplayable a bunch of strategies that could take Vehicles and Sneks down several pegs. I'm sure Vehicles would remain a tier one deck but I'm equally sure that banning Cat Combo and nothing else would make for a better format
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Mar 12, 2017 18:53
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DangerDongs posted:The thought process is that the big three decks are Mardu, 4-copycat, and B/G. If you ban Felidar then these two dominate uncontested more than likely. Arguably the best card in both the decks is an artifact creature. It isn't as broken as Copter was. BG isn't great right now (in large part to thanks to Mardu), and Walking Ballista isn't what's making Mardu the best deck. Bunch of people don't even play it/the full playset.
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Mar 12, 2017 18:54
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sit on my Facebook posted:Felidar Guardian renders unplayable a bunch of strategies that could take Vehicles and Sneks down several pegs. I'm sure Vehicles would remain a tier one deck but I'm equally sure that banning Cat Combo and nothing else would make for a better format Which deck is cat lady stopping that can beat GB and Vehicles? There is no reason you can't play a deck with 1 bad match up if you can crush the other T1 decks.
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Mar 12, 2017 20:01
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AlternateNu posted:Conceptually speaking in Magic, "infinite" damage always beats "infinite" life due to an artifact of the rules of the game. Not really. Splinter Twin on Exarch could never beat an in play Melira combo, for example. For Melira with Redcap in play vs. Melira with Finks in play, it depends on whose turn it is. IIRC if both players are infinite it's up to the non-active player to break the combo. So the Redcap player can't kill the Finks player on the Finks player's turn.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Which deck is cat lady stopping that can beat GB and Vehicles? There is no reason you can't play a deck with 1 bad match up if you can crush the other T1 decks.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Which deck is cat lady stopping that can beat GB and Vehicles? There is no reason you can't play a deck with 1 bad match up if you can crush the other T1 decks. Any deck that intends to play a long game. It's not just cat lady holding it down though, its all three of those. You either have to be able to interact with the combo or be able to win by Turn 4. A card like Fumigate is very good against GB, but its not an actual card people play often because its a dead card against the combo. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Mar 12, 2017 |
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Mar 12, 2017 20:31
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Miracle is the worst mechanic ever made. AVR was a mistake. Incorrect because gotcha exists
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Mar 12, 2017 20:41
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Elyv posted:Incorrect because gotcha exists And Phyrexian mana to name a real mechanic. Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:AVR was a mistake. This is 100% accurate though. The set did absolutely nothing positive for the game except for like, Resto.
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Mar 12, 2017 20:50
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suicidesteve posted:This is 100% accurate though. The set did absolutely nothing positive for the game except for like, Resto. Zealous Conscripts
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Mar 12, 2017 20:52
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suicidesteve posted:And Phyrexian mana to name a real mechanic. Cavern of Souls is cool and good
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Mar 12, 2017 20:54
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AVR was one of my first pre-releases and i had a disgusting pool, i had the time walk miracle and dead-eye navigator and like 2 mist ravens i went 4-1 and i was like, noob as heck
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Mar 12, 2017 20:56
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so in conclusion AVR sucked to draft but that was the only time i did good at a pre-release so i can't hate it
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Mar 12, 2017 20:57
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Rinkles posted:Zealous Conscripts Sure but that hasn't seen play since it left standard. TheKingofSprings posted:Cavern of Souls is cool and good The most wrong opinion in a long, sad thread of wrong opinions.
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Mar 12, 2017 20:58
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mandatory lesbian posted:so in conclusion AVR sucked to draft but that was the only time i did good at a pre-release so i can't hate it It was the worst draft format in the modern era. The loner mechanic was just blowout city. The good soul bonds just snowballed and ended the game. No card draw and if I remember correctly black was so shallow if two people in a pod were drafting it, they were both guaranteed to lose.
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Mar 12, 2017 21:10
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suicidesteve posted:And Phyrexian mana to name a real mechanic. No card in the history of magic the gathering is less fun to play with or against than number crunch
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Mar 12, 2017 21:20
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10-5 at GPNJ with Zombies. The deck is gas but a glass cannon. I did not draw well or roll my dice well. My friend went 11-4 with Mardu and didn't cash. Booooooo.
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Mar 12, 2017 21:43
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Cascade is the worst mechanic.
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black potus posted:Cascade is the worst mechanic. I haven't seen such a wrong statement from a Black POTUS since "There's not a liberal America and a conservative America - there's the United States of America."
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Can't find top 8 gpnj deck lists. I'm curios what Stark did with Jund energy. He's great at attacking a well defined field, with clever metagaming and actual innovation. Deck that most stands out in my memory is RW midrange during FRF, focusing his deck around maximizing the efficacy of Outpost Siege, with cheap cards like Chained to the Rocks. (Lost to Sultai in the finals).
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Mar 12, 2017 22:28
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Magic players are the worst part of Magic imho
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Rinkles posted:Can't find top 8 gpnj deck lists. I'm curios what Stark did with Jund energy. He's great at attacking a well defined field, with clever metagaming and actual innovation. Deck that most stands out in my memory is RW midrange during FRF, focusing his deck around maximizing the efficacy of Outpost Siege, with cheap cards like Chained to the Rocks. (Lost to Sultai in the finals). http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpnj17/top-8-decklists-2017-03-12
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The Sexual Shiite posted:I haven't seen such a wrong statement from a Black POTUS since "There's not a liberal America and a conservative America - there's the United States of America." Cascade is a very bad mechanic. It either casts one spell and only that one spell, and so is pretty boring, or it casts a spell at random that ranges from absolutely worthless to immediately game-ending. Like Shardless into Ancestral vs. Shardless into Abrupt Decay on an empty board. Or BBE into Lili vs. BBE into Bolt. Or god forbid Bit Blast into BBE into Blightning. It's even more randomness added to a game that really doesn't need it.
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Being bad for Limited where it's hard to control vs. constructed where you can build your deck to mitigate any unwanted consequences is hardly an argument against the mechanic as a whole.
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free spell mechanics are p much never fair but by god r&d won't stop trying, and im glad of it
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When do we find out what's going on with the B+R list?
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Alris posted:When do we find out what's going on with the B+R list? Tomorrow most likely. Unless they release the ban update to modo early or something like last time.
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Fittingly, before tomorrow's B&R announcement, Copy Cat takes both GPs. (unless both gpnj finalists mange to disqualify themselves).
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Mar 12, 2017 23:08
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"Cat combo isn't even good folks"
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suicidesteve posted:Cascade is a very bad mechanic. It either casts one spell and only that one spell, and so is pretty boring, or it casts a spell at random that ranges from absolutely worthless to immediately game-ending. Like Shardless into Ancestral vs. Shardless into Abrupt Decay on an empty board. Or BBE into Lili vs. BBE into Bolt. Or god forbid Bit Blast into BBE into Blightning. It's even more randomness added to a game that really doesn't need it. I agree that it's awful, but it is not the worst. The storm scale is named that for a reason, and I think phyrexian mana is worse as well. So is infect. Elyv posted:No card in the history of magic the gathering is less fun to play with or against than number crunch I and a lot of other people I know find that sort of thing fun, as long as it's accompanied by some alcohol and nobody is taking it seriously.
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mandatory lesbian posted:free spell mechanics are p much never fair but by god r&d won't stop trying, and im glad of it Hell yeah they are: Affinity Phyrexian mana Cascade Delve Storm Maybe one I missed? I guess it also depends on the cards you use with them but a lot of cards have been banned either with these mechanics or as a result of how they interact with them.
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The Shortest Path posted:I agree that it's awful, but it is not the worst. The storm scale is named that for a reason, and I think phyrexian mana is worse as well. At least Storm decks are always doing something cool.
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