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Tae posted:The only thing I'll say that is that people really abandoned Rinkah when Scarlet came around. Only one Axe maiden in their hearts, I see. Rinkah sucks and Scarlet doesn't it is not a hard choice.
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Mar 12, 2017 18:58
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  As meaningless as they may believe it to be... We can't undo what happened here today. An apology may be in order, but we're not at fault here.  Please don't be too hard on yourself about all of this. I don't know. I'll never be able to fully forgive myself. I suppose it's just another burden I'll carry until the end. Perhaps it's a burden I can help you carry, milord. I'll always be at your side—especially at times like this. Thank you, Kaze. Your words mean a lot to me. *The ground begins to shake*  I think it's a landslide! Watch out!  *Kaze catches Corrin*  Kaze! You have to let go of me! We'll both fall if you don't! Never milord! I won't let you die! *A crystal is zoomed in across the cliff*   Hmm, is that what I think it is? Milord! I'm going to try something! Please hold tight! What?! Hah!     Yeah, so Kaze threw a shuriken at a random crystal that exploded, and the resulting blast lifted Corrin like a balloon to get him safely back on the cliff. Kaze, you crazy poo poo, what the hell was that plan Are you all right, Lord Corrin? Yes...I think I am. Thanks to you. What WAS that? I...I don't know. I didn't know what would happen...but I'm afraid I didn't have many options.That was improvised???  Ah yes, it's been a while since we had super martyr Corrin back on the scene  Nonsense. If anything, I was prepared to sacrifice myself. Hoshido needs you, Lord Corrin. Well...thank you. Wait, what "another" explosion? What was the first one Yes, we're fine Azura. Kaze managed to save us both. Oh, thank goodness. I must admit, I feared the worst. Even though we're out of danger for now, it would be wise to stay alert. *Time passes*   Well, we've reached the summit. How are you doing, Corrin? I'm still upset about what happened with the wolfskin. Not to mention the fact that Kaze and I just nearly died. Yes. This clash with the wolfskin is just another tragedy in a long line. ...Look, Corrin. Can you see the sun breaking over the horizon? Yes...I suppose I can. They say the sun never shines in Nohr, but we can see that that's not true. Perhaps it's small comfort, but I take this as a good omen. It is warm here. The same kind of warmth I felt walking the streets of Hoshido. I hope someday, both Hoshido and Nohr can share this kind of warmth. Anything is possible, Corrin. So....here's the big thing. That weird scene? Only shows up if you have an A rank support with Kaze. Kaze WILL die if you do not have A rank by this chapter. But how can that scene be different? How can Kaze die? Alternate Dimension Birthright As meaningless as they may believe it to be... We can't undo what happened here today. An apology may be in order, but we're not at fault here. Please don't be too hard on yourself about all of this. I don't know. I'll never be able to fully forgive myself. I suppose it's just another burden I'll carry until the end. Perhaps it's a burden I can help you carry, milord.DIMENSION POWERS Would you allow me to serve you? To...serve me? What do you mean? Ah, pardon me. Of course you wouldn't be familiar with Hoshidan tradition. It is expected that the most skilled elite soldiers will eventually choose a liege. As you're aware, Subaki and Hana serve Lady Sakura. Hinata and Oboro support Lord Takumi. Lady Hinoka counts on Azama and Setsuna as her retainers. And Kagero and my older brother Saizo work directly for Lord Ryoma. Yes, of course. I suppose I'm the only one left for you. Sorry about that. On the contrary. I feel blessed that I've remained unattached. Because now I can pledge my loyalty to you. Kaze, are you sure? Yes. I've seen you make tough but necessary decisions in the face of danger. I'm confident that you're the right leader for our group in this time of crisis. Besides, I've done something to you that can never be forgiven... How could you possibly? I don't know what you're talking about. Lord Corrin, allow me to explain. When I was much younger— *The ground begins to shake* I think it's a landslide! Watch out! *Kaze catches Corrin*  Kaze! You have to let go of me! We'll both fall if you don't! Ungh...never! I couldn't live with myself. I already owe you my life...I'm the reason you were kidnapped as a child! That can't be true! It is. I was traveling with you that day, and I saw an unusual Nohrain troop presence. If I had only said something... But I was young... I didn't know the risk they posed. I could have prevented everything! You were a child! You couldn't have known. It's not your fault! I wish you were right. But I was raised in a family of ninja. I should have known better. I owe you a lifetime of service. But perhaps sacrificing myself will do. Kaze, no! Don't do anything foolish! *Hinoka arrives riding on her pegasus*  Over here, Hinoka. Please help! I'm coming! *The ground is breaking apart more* Agh...the ground is moving again! It has been a pleasure serving you, Lord Corrin. Lady Hinoka! You know what you have to do. Haaa!  Whoa! I've got you, Corrin! I'm not joking. Kaze literally flings Corrin 20 feet in the air so Hinoka can catch him. As opposed to Hinoka just....flying under Corrin.   That's right, Kaze randomly goes from on top of the cliff to suddenly falling off of it Please forgive me, Lord Corrin. I am only doing what is necessary.  NO! Kaze! I...I couldn't save him! What just happened?! I can't believe it... Kaze, why? WHY?! I ask myself every second of this scene *Later that day*  Well, we've reached the summit. How are you doing, Corrin? We...we lost Kaze. I still can't believe it. Yes. Another tragedy among countless tragedies we've witnessed of late. ... Look, Corrin. Can you see the sun breaking over the horizon? Yes...I suppose I can. They say the sun never shines in Nohr, but we can see that that's not true. Perhaps it's small comfort, but I take this as a good omen. It is warm here. The same kind of warmth I felt walking the streets of Hoshido. Perhaps Kaze's spirit lives on in another world, watching over us. Anything is possible, Corrin. Thank you for saving me, Kaze. I promise that you won't have died in vain. Rest in peace, friend... FIRE EMBLEM FATES: BIRTHRIGHT
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Mar 12, 2017 19:19
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wow i knew about the kaze thing and somehow it's even stupider then i thought
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Mar 12, 2017 19:22
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This might actually be among the worst "gently caress You" things Fire Emblem has ever had
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Mar 12, 2017 19:26
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Not that I disagree with the scene being ridiculous for multiple reasons, but how, exactly, is Hinoka going to fly under them when they're flat against a sheer cliff? Have her pegasus phase its 20+' wingspan through the cliff face? Somehow hover it sideways (at which point Corrin has to somehow drop through said wings in addition to the other issue)? edit: The sad thing is that there's an even dumber scene later on... and yet it still doesn't even come close to touching the height of Conquest's stupidity. Lord Koth fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Mar 12, 2017 |
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Mar 12, 2017 19:28
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I think the first explosion may've been the dark magic that murdered that first wolfman.
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Mar 12, 2017 19:29
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Tae posted:
For the record, the assassin actually uses the same sprite as the invisible guy from way back in Chapter 5. Tae posted:
Azama's so troll-y that even people who've never met him recognize him and his trolling on sight. Not something to be proud of... Tae posted:
Hayato doth protest too much, I think. Anyway, about that post-battle cutscene (specifically the "Kaze dies" version): As the A-rank version proves, he does, indeed, die in vain, because he didn't even need to die to succeed. And regarding said A-rank version, I'm pretty sure Azura says "another explosion" because of what set the battle off in the first place: the Nohrians bombing the wolfskin while using your team as a scapegoat.
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Mar 12, 2017 19:33
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'Game mechanics' aside, this would have been a really convenient place to use a Rescue staff.
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Mar 12, 2017 19:40
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Lord Koth posted:Not that I disagree with the scene being ridiculous for multiple reasons, but how, exactly, is Hinoka going to fly under them when they're flat against a sheer cliff? Have her pegasus phase its 20+' wingspan through the cliff face? Somehow hover it sideways (at which point Corrin has to somehow drop through said wings in addition to the other issue)? also even ignoring that why didnt any of the other 30 people in the army go to help kaze up when he was clinging for life. like saizo. or rinkah. rinkah could lift kaze up easily. 'not with that str growth hurr hurr' also the kaze scene overshadows what i feel is an even worse part of the scene quote:
*walks into racial minority's territory, kills all the men of age* 'an apology MAY... MAY be in order, but, look, an explosion!' corrin totally fails to take responsibility for things that are totally his fault - 'cause just having a bit of a moan to kaze doesn't make things up to the wolfskins, it just makes him feel better - and then everyone acts like he's the most self-sacrificing and pure person ever, since he just moaned about how bad it feels to have killed 50 people. at least i hope it was 50 people. considering the way the game treats large-scale engagements (which isn't a problem unique to it in the series, but still), maybe he just killed 5000.
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So, um, can't Kaze teleport like he does whenever he enters/exits battle? I literally don't know what went into this scene other than enough crack to kill a fully grown orca whale.
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Mar 12, 2017 20:35
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I actually kind of forgot about this stupid loving scene. There's is no goddamn way you can know this is coming unless you had it spoiled for you. Well, maybe if you had him married off by this point but noticed you couldn't access his paralogue. It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility to have A-ranked by now just out of happenstance, but it's also entirely likely that you haven't, even if you have been using him a lot. And it's not even like there's much of a dramatic pay-off for it either. He's just not that important of a character to get that attached to. Maybe if you played Conquest first? Then again, I did play Conquest first, and I married him on that file, and I still don't give a poo poo about Kaze.
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Mar 12, 2017 20:58
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does his equipment go into the abyss with him, kinda curious how big of a gently caress-up it is
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even if you did care about kaze, it's so random, out of nowhere, and meaningless that it's hard to care. why not have xander's forces catch up and have kaze die protecting you from him? that'd actually be a plotpoint someone could feasibly care about, as opposed to Kaze randomly falling down a cliff for literally no reason.
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Mar 12, 2017 21:05
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Having a character randomly die in a game like this for story reasons is the worst. A player shouldn't be punished for investing in a specific unit like that, particularly in a game like Fire Emblem, where characters can already permanently die during gameplay.
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Mar 12, 2017 21:06
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I don't have the cutscene for it because that requires me to replay a large part of the game, but Kaze's model flips from laying on his stomach to flip over to the edge of the cliff. And I'm not exaggerating that HInoka is a good 10-20 feet up in the air and 10-15 feet away from the cliff so Kaze threw from a laying position 100+ pounds one-handed. Here's my take: I thought the cutscene when Kaze took the blow from Keaton at the beginning of the chapter was going to factor in. It didn't.
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Mar 12, 2017 21:20
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Honestly, both versions of the scene are pretty dumb, but at least the one where Kaze dies has something vaguely resembling world building and backstory in it, and god knows Fates as a whole is starved for those. Granted, it's not particularly good world building or backstory, but you take what you can get.
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Mar 12, 2017 21:55
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Cattail Prophet posted:Honestly, both versions of the scene are pretty dumb, but at least the one where Kaze dies has something vaguely resembling world building and backstory in it, and god knows Fates as a whole is starved for those. Granted, it's not particularly good world building or backstory, but you take what you can get. Yeah, about that... The stuff he says is covered in his supports with Corrin. He just had more time when he had the A support to see the crystal, since he already told Corrin that stuff.
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I've always played Fire Emblems blind the first time through so I can pick out which units I like, and I leave all the min-maxing checking growth rates for second playthroughs. I may have done some stuff like murdered Shinon but this was the first time that I felt like I was getting screwed over.
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Mar 12, 2017 22:18
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Tae posted:I don't have the cutscene for it because that requires me to replay a large part of the game, but Kaze's model flips from laying on his stomach to flip over to the edge of the cliff. An easy task with the goddamn orangutan arms everyone seems to have
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It's mostly Cornball with the monkey arms E: at least it's not world of horse people like last game
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:So, um, can't Kaze teleport like he does whenever he enters/exits battle?
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Why does a crystal explode when you throw a shuriken at it
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Hidden weapons beat magic, this is a rare intersection of game mechanics and story.
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Alternatively, Ninja tricks. I mean, how else do they eat anything beneath that mask!?
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Has there ever been a postmortem by Nintendo or any of the writers as to why the writing for Fates is so sloppy? "A young Lord is torn between their family on both sides of a terrible war" is great idea for a story, but they could hardly have messed it up any worse than what we got.
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Heaven Spacey posted:Has there ever been a postmortem by Nintendo or any of the writers as to why the writing for Fates is so sloppy? "A young Lord is torn between their family on both sides of a terrible war" is great idea for a story, but they could hardly have messed it up any worse than what we got.
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Heaven Spacey posted:Has there ever been a postmortem by Nintendo or any of the writers as to why the writing for Fates is so sloppy? "A young Lord is torn between their family on both sides of a terrible war" is great idea for a story, but they could hardly have messed it up any worse than what we got.
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The required A Rank bullshit is the one thing I'm really glad I was spoiled on for Fates before it happened. But even when it did happen, I was playing with a friend, and neither of us were ready for the sheer amount of stupid that happens in this sequence. I'd figured Kaze would take a hit from Iago or Garon or something, but no, it is a random rear end crystal magic land mine. Fates is a hell of a thing sometimes.
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Endorph posted:here's your postmortem: the game had 20 separate writers. 20 people. for comparison, path of radiance had 4. imagine 20 people all trying to give their own ideas for how a story should progress. now imagine those 20 people trying to work within the context of a video game, that has to have battles to go with every plot beat. now imagine those 20 people trying to tell three separate but intertwining stories. now imagine those 20 people having to write 80+ characters. now imagine those 20 people trying to keep any of that consistent between them. Jesus, and I thought the Mass Effect series had a bad case of writing schizophrenia
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You can tell the writers were just like "look we've been dicking around and arguing with each other for months now but we need to turn in something like, tomorrow to get our paycheck, so we need to crap out something quick"
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Tae posted:I'm also having a large majority of the party almost at promotion level, but I don't want to put a poll for like 12 people because that's tedious. So any quick suggestions on if the thread wants to do it in some way or I decide. Any other thoughts on this?
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Tae posted:Any other thoughts on this? For promotions, I say do a thing where you promote the 100% keepers (i.e. Corrin, Oboro) and put up two or three for vote. And definitely do the Steroid Redemption again. Vaike taking all the drugs and still getting benched will always be hilarious.
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Tae posted:Any other thoughts on this? Do the DLC classes include the paid ones that came out a while after the game did? I'd like to see those shown off, I didn't buy them. Endorph posted:here's your postmortem: the game had 20 separate writers. 20 people. for comparison, path of radiance had 4. imagine 20 people all trying to give their own ideas for how a story should progress. now imagine those 20 people trying to work within the context of a video game, that has to have battles to go with every plot beat. now imagine those 20 people trying to tell three separate but intertwining stories. now imagine those 20 people having to write 80+ characters. now imagine those 20 people trying to keep any of that consistent between them. I'm pretty ignorant how these things usually go, but surely plenty of games with at least acceptable stories have had similarly huge writing teams. Besides, there must have been some degree of compartmentalization, with some writers working on the core plot for one of the campaigns, others working on supports, etc. Obviously some things would be lost with that many people working together, but I really feel like the reason why Fates's story is such a mess has to be more complex than "too many cooks".
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I didn't get any of the DLC, but you get like 6 dlc classes for free so there's a wide variety. Depends on who gets what, and what gender in a couple cases.
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Tae posted:Any other thoughts on this? Which DLC classes are we talking about? I know there's the two you get just for having the other routes, but are we also talking the paid ones? For the promotions, I'd guess doing a couple per chapter would work for showing them off. I'd guess there's be a vote for which branch. As far as the stat boosters, a vote to decide who to shove them into? Not sure if the benched characters would be included.
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Heaven Spacey posted:Do the DLC classes include the paid ones that came out a while after the game did? I'd like to see those shown off, I didn't buy them. And yeah, games can often have as many writers, and there's some compartmentalization to be sure, but the issue is how this game was written. shin kobayashi submitted a script, then they rewrote that, then they rewrote that, then they came up with revelations and rewrote that. that much we know for certain, since kobayashi's talked about what was in his original script and what wasn't (hinoka didn't exist, for instance). And revelations is, without spoiling anything, very obviously an extremely late addition.
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You get 2 dread fighter, 2 dark flier, 1 each gender specific lord class, and 2 gender specific classes for free. Stat boosters total are: +4 STR +6 MAG +6 SKL +6 SPD +6 LCK +4 DEF +4 RES +1 weapon rank
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