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Just read the chapter and... do the spriggan 12 even know about Zeref's curse of contradictions, or do they not know and think that his actions make for a great king? Just wondering since I don't remember much about this arc anymore.
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Even I don't remember the Curse of Contradictions, so what are the chances of the in-universe characters knowing or remembering.
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Mar 6, 2017 15:46
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Alpha Kenny Juan posted:Just wondering since I don't remember much about this arc anymore.
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Mar 6, 2017 16:54
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The curse was that when Zeref's was in good guy mode, he killed all living things he came into contact with. When he's in bad guy mode he doesn't passively kill everything. Which is part of why his actually trying to save the world doesn't jive. Good mode Zeref's loves all things and is totally without malace. Bad mode Zeref by definition does not give a gently caress, thus is incapable of caring about what Acnologia does through any prism other that it annoying him.
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Mar 6, 2017 18:29
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Alpha Kenny Juan posted:Just read the chapter and... do the spriggan 12 even know about Zeref's curse of contradictions, or do they not know and think that his actions make for a great king? curse of what?
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Mar 7, 2017 01:58
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Hate-Senpai posted:Even I don't remember the Curse of Contradictions, so what are the chances of the in-universe characters knowing or remembering. Fabricated posted:Amnesia is a common side-effect of the consumption of Fairy Tail. Manatee Cannon posted:curse of what? Oh no it's too late  curse of amnesia has spread too far.Gyges posted:The curse was that when Zeref's was in good guy mode, he killed all living things he came into contact with. I saw it as: Zeref loves life -> Life around him dies and just now: Good job Rahkeid let's get you a car -> gently caress off Rahkeid gonna blast your heart
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Mar 7, 2017 02:32
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I believe the specific thing was when he cared for people/things. That's what triggers the kill everything, and that's why he doesn't care for his son. Unfortunately, the viewer doesn't care.
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Mar 7, 2017 04:40
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Since Fairy Tail gives you amnesia, here's what Zeref says his curse is Also later in the chapter he is quite clear that he's in gently caress all humans mode, so either Mashima forgot Zeref isn't performing a secret triple double bluff to save humanity, or Zeref forgot he wants to destroy everything due to prolonged Fairy Tail contact. 
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Mar 7, 2017 05:34
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But due to the curse of contradictions, Zeref actually wants Acnologia and humans to get along.
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Mar 7, 2017 05:36
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Zeref is natsu's brother and mavis's boyfriend there is a 0% chance he doesn't get friendship punched into being a goodguy
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Mar 7, 2017 07:03
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Elfgames posted:Zeref is natsu's brother and mavis's boyfriend there is a 0% chance he doesn't get friendship punched into being a goodguy I don't know, Erza's mom just kind of unceremoniously killed herself.
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Mar 7, 2017 07:29
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So wait, is the point of this chapter that he's the son of those two? Ah, man, why does FT have to be so yucky. I assumed he was artificial life, and that was the point. And yeah August is clearly stating they don't know about the CoC.
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Mar 7, 2017 07:58
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chumbler posted:I don't know, Erza's mom just kind of unceremoniously killed herself. Resurrection in 3... 2... 1...
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Mar 7, 2017 09:48
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According to the Curse of Contradictions, she just saved herself.
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Mar 7, 2017 09:53
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Gyges posted:Since Fairy Tail gives you amnesia, here's what Zeref says his curse is There was point, I think during the flashback where Mavis and Zeref hook up, where Zeref starts contradicting himself with every thought. One second he wants to see Natsu again and be brotherly, the next he wants Natsu dead. It gets confusing trying to keep up with every motivation Zeref has claimed caused his actions.
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Mar 8, 2017 01:05
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The beauty of having a villain with so many conflicting motivations is that when the time comes, the author can just pick one of the motivations and go all-in on that to achieve the desired ending.
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Mar 8, 2017 01:54
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I like Zeref's conflicting motivations thing. At first I assumed he was just badly written and/or I was forgetting plot points, but eventually it was revealed that he's supposed to be that way. It does become a lot less clever when you realize how many other Fairy Tail characters really do have conflicting motivations because of bad writing, though.
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Mar 8, 2017 03:13
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The conflicting motivations are fine (for Zeref). It's just that he could do with more breakdowns trying to deal with the contradictions.
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Mar 8, 2017 03:18
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The curse does mess up Zeref's thoughts as well  
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Mar 8, 2017 06:42
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A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I take it back, Mashima, you loving madman, I can't believe you've done this.
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pretty gross all things considered.
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Mar 12, 2017 04:49
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New chapter. What? How? I have no words. I don't know how we can top this.
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Mar 12, 2017 21:11
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I wasn't prepared for that. I thought I've seen everything this lovely manga has to offer and now we got... this. gently caress you Mashima.
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Mar 12, 2017 21:50
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You guys are really being harsh on Gilldartz finally being a good dad. Nice of August to finally answer the question he keeps asking though. Should have nutted up like Cana did, son.
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Mar 12, 2017 22:17
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 Well played, Mashima.
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Mar 12, 2017 22:19
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Am I missing something? What was uniquely horrible about this chapter?
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Mar 12, 2017 22:32
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Yeah I'm not getting it either.
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Mar 12, 2017 22:48
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sharktamer posted:Yeah I'm not getting it either. goons
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Mar 12, 2017 23:06
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The twist seemed clever at first, but now that I think about it, didn't August say something about only Rakheid's mother being able to defeat him? But now it turns out Rakheid doesn't even have a mother, and it's August who's the child of Zeref and Mavis. I might have to reread the earlier chapters to see exactly what August said about Rakheid.
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U-DO Burger posted:Am I missing something? What was uniquely horrible about this chapter? It's not outright horrible (that was last chapter), but it's just too stupid even for Mashima. Silver2195 posted:The twist seemed clever at first, but now that I think about it, didn't August say something about only Rakheid's mother being able to defeat him? But now it turns out Rakheid doesn't even have a mother, and it's August who's the child of Zeref and Mavis. I might have to reread the earlier chapters to see exactly what August said about Rakheid. It really doesn't work. It's a twist for the sake of a twist, and requires too many dumb and uncomfortable things to happen so it can work.
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Mar 12, 2017 23:34
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Fairy Tail is built on a shoddy make-it-up-as-you-go plot with dumb twists. This is pretty much par for the course imo
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Kuroyama posted:New chapter.
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Silver2195 posted:The twist seemed clever at first, but now that I think about it, didn't August say something about only Rakheid's mother being able to defeat him? But now it turns out Rakheid doesn't even have a mother, and it's August who's the child of Zeref and Mavis. I might have to reread the earlier chapters to see exactly what August said about Rakheid. It's a Macbeth sorta dealio. He can only be defeated by his mother -> he has no mother -> no one can defeat him -> he is invincible. However, since this is shounen, the loophole of FRIENDSHIP overcomes Scottish prophecies.
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You know what I'm confused about, how the gently caress did Mavis give birth to this child? Wasn't she in stasis for many many years? I don't even remember the chapter about her...
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Suspicious Lump posted:You know what I'm confused about, how the gently caress did Mavis give birth to this child? Wasn't she in stasis for many many years? I don't even remember the chapter about her... Some questions are better left unanswered.
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I think the major issue of having someone who can copy skills / magic / whatever or people who are walking encyclopedia of magical skills / techniques is that most authors never really have characters make full force of all these abilities they have supposedly acquired, and then them stick with 1 or 2 abilities or just copy the ability of the opponents they fight. There's rarely any attempt to show that these characters live up to their reputations. Like, the only exceptions to this are probably Katanagatari (where the character copying the skills is actually weaker because all the techniques she's copied are inferior to what she can actually do), Chrollo from Hunter x Hunter, and Han Bi-kwang from Ruler of the Land (he doesn't really copy skills that much anymore but he does bust out the ones he did learn frequently, and even uses them to get the mental edge on his opponents). Like the two (August and Rufus from Sabertooth, maybe more???) magic copying guys from Fairy Tail or all those characters in Naruto like Kakashi or the Third Hokage feel mostly like one-trick ponies or one-note characters. EDIT: Oh, can't believe I forgot My Hero Academia, that was good too.
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Suspicious Lump posted:You know what I'm confused about, how the gently caress did Mavis give birth to this child? Wasn't she in stasis for many many years? I don't even remember the chapter about her... When did they have sex given that she became comatose at their first kiss
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Mar 13, 2017 11:22
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Angry Grimace posted:When did they have sex given that she became comatose at their first kiss don't ask questions you don't want answered
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Mar 13, 2017 11:27
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:don't ask questions you don't want answered How did she give birth inside a crystal
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Angry Grimace posted:When did they have sex given that she became comatose at their first kiss We're supposed to use Zeref's words this chapter to infer that Mavis lied and they were able to go further before her coma.
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