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bloodychill posted:A 7 isn't even that bad a score. In games in general, 7 is still in the "it's a good game" region. Maybe from Jim a 7 is good but the industry has been working with a 6-10 range and people 's expectations have been trained accordingly. Just another reason to trash the 1-10 scale imo.
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I am really glad I don't follow YouTube video game dudes and just play games myself, these people all sound awful. Also what is the video game people are playing that is making them racist, please tell me so I can avoid it
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CJacobs posted:Nobody is saying he deserves the hate just because he was aware there would be a backlash. That's some hard projecting on your part. I just don't see the purpose of continuously pointing out that he should have seen it coming other than normalizing the behaviour of those that are attacking him. Like, yeah Sterling likes stirring the pot but who cares? Why is that important to this conversation? I'm not saying that it's an attitude of "he deserved it" but it at least seems to be an attitude of "he should have been more careful" which is still hosed up because he really shouldn't have to be more careful when giving a game a slightly below excellent score and we shouldn't be acting like he made a mistake by doing so.
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exquisite tea posted:This comes as a surprise to nobody but when people say a game is perfect they almost always mean "perfect for me." Like when people point out flaws in a game you really enjoy, you probably don't think of them as "flaws" and moreso, "welp that's just how it is." The things that bother other people don't bother you because you're invested enough in the mechanics and setting that they're not even a consideration, just things you have to do. Like when people criticize Diablo and other ARPGs because "it's just about making numbers get bigger" I just smdh and am like dude that's entirely the point and why ARPGs own. Absolutely. I am just reiterating it for people who might be getting a little bent out of shape over numbers. Perhaps they should be playing cool ARPGs like Diablo (G5F4).
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bloodychill posted:What's more, this really does come down to "he deserves it because he should have known this would happen." A 7 isn't even that bad a score. In games in general, 7 is still in the "it's a good game" region. If a movie is 3.5/5 it's probably a pretty good movie but if a game is given 7/10 by most reviewers it's probably got some pretty significant flaws or is a very niche title. It's dumb and it's the way the industry works at the moment.
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Where did the idea that his account was being hacked even come from though? Did something actually happen or do you people mean he got e-mails saying that somebody attempted to guess his passwords which is what his tweet is suggesting? Or maybe I missed something?
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Just because Jim knew and expected the backlash doesn't mean he did his 7/10 review for the attention. If that was his goal he would do that for every game he reviews, like Undertale which he gave a 10/10. I'm sure he'd much prefer BOTW be a 10 out of 10 game instead of good but has a ton of flaws. Also that Jontron stream stuff, woof. Arin dodged a pretty huge bullet with Jon leaving Game Grumps at this point edit: i wonder if Jontron became a white supremacist because a jew took his job Macaluso fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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glam rock hamhock posted:I just don't see the purpose of continuously pointing out that he should have seen it coming other than normalizing the behaviour of those that are attacking him. Like, yeah Sterling likes stirring the pot but who cares? Why is that important to this conversation? I'm not saying that it's an attitude of "he deserved it" but it at least seems to be an attitude of "he should have been more careful" which is still hosed up because he really shouldn't have to be more careful when giving a game a slightly below excellent score and we shouldn't be acting like he made a mistake by doing so. I imagine the reason people point out the stirring the pot thing is because if he legitimately is just stirring the pot for the attention it will get him, then pointing it out is a way of saying "don't give this person any attention please" like in a boy who cried wolf kind of scenario. If that makes sense?
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bloodychill posted:They said he was looking for it and got it, which is the same as saying "deserved it" but without the more negative connotations associated with sexist victim blaming. And it is basically victim blaming. I think that's splitting hairs with a mighty fine-tooth comb, way more fine than I think is conducive to a healthy argument, but it doesn't much matter because they are both probably wrong.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Game scores are inflated to hell. "It's great or it's trash" is definitely a crappy view of things. I like my janky 6 and 7 niche titles like Armored Core and EDF.
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codenameFANGIO posted:I am really glad I don't follow YouTube video game dudes and just play games myself, these people all sound awful. Video games are good as hell I don't know why they attract so many terrible people
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bloodychill posted:They said he was looking for it and got it, which is the same as saying "deserved it" but without the more negative connotations associated with sexist victim blaming. And it is basically victim blaming. lol victim blaming It's a review on the internet and a bunch of angry nerds, get a grip
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Sakurazuka posted:lol victim blaming Oh gently caress off.
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All games are good, subsequently all games are poo poo.
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https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/841117434509688832
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Help Im Alive posted:Video games are good as hell I don't know why they attract so many terrible people People are largely terrible, so it just makes sense.
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glam rock hamhock posted:I just don't see the purpose of continuously pointing out that he should have seen it coming other than normalizing the behaviour of those that are attacking him. Like, yeah Sterling likes stirring the pot but who cares? Why is that important to this conversation? I'm not saying that it's an attitude of "he deserved it" but it at least seems to be an attitude of "he should have been more careful" which is still hosed up because he really shouldn't have to be more careful when giving a game a slightly below excellent score and we shouldn't be acting like he made a mistake by doing so. I agree with you, in that I take issue with the notion that he should've walked on eggshells around hosed up weirdos. If you do that, our society will never get anywhere. What I also disagree with, however, is the unimportance of his motivation. It's very important because it casts a light on the tone of the review and how he is handling the subsequent freaking-out-of-hosed-up-weirdos. That said, only Jim Sterling knows what his actual goal was so imo we're not going to get anywhere arguing about what it might have been as we are doing.
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glam rock hamhock posted:Oh gently caress off. Equating something like that to a serious problem in sexual assault cases is pretty lovely tbh
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_lWAN5dC9Q It looks so much worse than a base ps1 game. This video is a teaching tool to let you know that art direction is extremely important to how a final product looks regardless of how detailed you can make poo poo.
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FirstAidKite posted:I imagine the reason people point out the stirring the pot thing is because if he legitimately is just stirring the pot for the attention it will get him, then pointing it out is a way of saying "don't give this person any attention please" like in a boy who cried wolf kind of scenario. If that makes sense? The people who are pointing out that Jim likes stirring the pot are doing so in reaction to a review he did of a game they like. That is the start and end of it. On a regular day, nobody on this forum gives a rat rear end about what some fat white dude says about video games. Now that he's talking about something some people have assumed a personal stake in, out come the knives.
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Quick List of Future G5VGRVG content: Super Mario Brothers 3 - G5F5 Super Mario World - G5F5 Doom (2015) - G3F4 Zelda BOTW - G4F4 Bloodborne - G4F5 Fallout4 - G3F5 Planetary Annihilation Titans - G4F4 Halo - G1F1 Destiny - G4F5 Duke Nukem Forever - G2F2 Team Fortress 2 - G5F5 Strider (new) - G4F3 Planet Coaster - G5F5
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Sakurazuka posted:Equating something like that to a serious problem in sexual assault cases is pretty lovely tbh Acting like internet harassment is no big deal and people that get it should just suck it up because it's just the internet is incredibly lovely and is also the way the trolls themselves tend to deflect criticism so I repeat, gently caress off.
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Grapplejack posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_lWAN5dC9Q Looks fine to me, although it seems like they've done basically the bare minimum for making an HD re-do. It could use more color grading or vfx or something because it kinda looks like the Gamecube Crash games right now. Those looked alright too, but they lacked a lot of details that would've made them look better than just 'alright'.
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The remake player finished first so clearly that one is better
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Good thing I made the correct choice in my ethnicity and race. e: I've seen this said in other places but it's funny how so many white people are afraid of being a minority in this country, almost as if they understand that minorities have a harder go at things, yet they're the first to plug their ears and close their eyes when it comes to doing anything to make life more equal for everyone. ONE YEAR LATER fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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Sakurazuka posted:Equating something like that to a serious problem in sexual assault cases is pretty lovely tbh Well known non-issue of harassment
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Grapplejack posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_lWAN5dC9Q I think the complaints about this are pretty overblown, as someone who practically jizzes their pants at games with bright cartoony colors all over the place. The colors aren't nearly as vibrant yeah I'll agree, but literally everything else looks perfectly fine?? Like I could understand the complaints about this if everything was modeled to look more realistic, but it wasn't. Everything looks very "has more polygons", it's just less vibrant colors. Also the gameplay looks identical which is awesome. Solid 7/10 art direction I do not own a PS4 though so. RIP me forever
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People keep talking shti about the crash remake and every time I see it, it looks perfectly fine to me  I mean, it doesn't look incredible but it's really hard to translate that style into HD. Crash was made to work around the limitations of the ps1 and because of that, much of the design is very specific to having low polygons. Because of that HD crash will always look weird as will his world in general, but gameplaywise the HD version still looks fine and I think the visuals are fine for what they have to work with.
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glam rock hamhock posted:Acting like internet harassment is no big deal and people that get it should just suck it up because it's just the internet is incredibly lovely and is also the way the trolls themselves tend to deflect criticism so I repeat, gently caress off. look man he cost zelda a 98 on the metacritic, thats just what happens when your trying to get attention for not liking a game as much as i do mfcrocker posted:Well known non-issue of harassment Maybe they would care if it was happening to someone they liked.
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Sakurazuka posted:Equating something like that to a serious problem in sexual assault cases is pretty lovely tbh The fact that people are getting bullied on the internet but only by stupid nerdy gamers doesn't make it ok.
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Sakurazuka isn't saying that harassment isn't an issue. They're saying that what's happening to jim isn't the same as sexual harassment. Saying two things are dissimilar isn't the same as saying that one doesn't exist or isn't an issue at all.
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fivegears4reverse posted:The people who are pointing out that Jim likes stirring the pot are doing so in reaction to a review he did of a game they like. That is the start and end of it. On a regular day, nobody on this forum gives a rat rear end about what some fat white dude says about video games. Now that he's talking about something some people have assumed a personal stake in, out come the knives. His career is built on saying provocative things. It's why his videos are titled things like "Steam Needs To Stop Selling Toys Full Of Cum" and "Why It's Morally Okay To Pirate All Of Nintendo's Games", it's why Digital Homicide sued him, and it's why people like him. E: None of this justifies getting harassed but to suggest it came completely out of the blue is naive.
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Also he makes a living being contrarian and dresses like a Nazi so it's hard to feel much sympathy for him.
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Harassing people online isn't cool, but neither was Jim Sterling's VSWID episode so maybe the truth is in the middle.
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