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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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Well, we're off to a great start! The announcement speech was instantly misreported even as the full text was being shared and republished: https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/841301283730554885 Nicola Sturgeon's agency in the matter was denied in favour of the more divisive figure of Alex Salmond: https://twitter.com/AlexSalmond/status/841319042845724675 Westminster proceeded regardless, voting to give itself the option of deporting three million EU nationals if they don't like the way the discussions with Brussels go. The House of Lords 'opposition' meekly surrendered instantly: https://twitter.com/rowenamason/status/841364246399193091?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Boris Johnson made a plea for national unity by pledging £100 million for a new royal yacht: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/13/new-royal-yacht-britannia-would-attract-overwhelming-support/ I look forward to the likes of Nigel Farage and Donald Trump weighing in on the matter. Whatever you think about Scottish independence, setting up a new referendum is possibly the only challenge to the Tories' apparent policy of nihilistic intransigence toward the EU. It will hopefully help to reframe the debate and support our fellow UK residents at this unpleasant time. I'm off to the Yes Bar to buy a pint out of solidarity after they had a bomb threat handed in earlier (need an excuse, it is too expensive to go to regularly). http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/...d/?ref=mr&lp=10
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Angepain posted:if scotland becomes independent will we still be legally able to make fun of pissflaps If it takes your mind off the austerity max hellscape of post independence Scotland then be my guest. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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Mar 13, 2017 21:55
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Juliet Whisky posted:I look forward to the likes of ... Donald Trump weighing in on the matter. Hm. I'd managed to get my mind off this guy, but now he's back on it, I hope Scotland does go independent and then compulsory purchases his dumb golf course for 1€£
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Mar 13, 2017 22:21
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ReidRansom posted:Hm. I'd managed to get my mind off this guy, but now he's back on it, I hope Scotland does go independent and then compulsory purchases his dumb golf course for 1€£ This would be very good, as part of a broad package of radical land reform which is desperately overdue. The SNP won't be the person to deliver it, but the good news is they won't be around much longer if we get independence.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:22
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forkboy84 posted:This would be very good, as part of a broad package of radical land reform which is desperately overdue. The SNP won't be the person to deliver it, but the good news is they won't be around much longer if we get independence.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:27
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jBrereton posted:Aye just like the ANC, Congress in India, ZANU-PF, Fianna Fáil, and the other parties of liberation that have disappeared overnight as soon as their aims manifested. Were any of those parties in power before independence? I just don't think the SNP can hold together once it loses the one unifying policy, it's too diverse.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:37
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The SNP will continue to exist in some form, I imagine. It just won't be the political juggernaut that it currently is.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:46
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I'm going: Much shorter campaign No wins by more than 5% but a lot of shifting between previous Yes and No demographics Edit: nah it won't be this year, probs march next year Hoops fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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Mar 13, 2017 23:36
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http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...source=facebook Sinn Fein also wants Ireland out of the UK. https://twitter.com/sinnfeinireland/status/841416958037901313
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Mar 13, 2017 23:45
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CommieGIR posted:Sinn Fein also wants Ireland out of the UK.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:50
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CommieGIR posted:http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...source=facebook Sinn Fein trying to steal attention away from us, those bastards!
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Mar 13, 2017 23:58
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forkboy84 posted:Sinn Fein trying to steal attention away from us, those bastards! as if anything could get people to pay attention to Northern Ireland
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Mar 14, 2017 00:08
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Pissflaps posted:I wonder if EU citizens will be able to vote this time. I think any significant change to the rules from last time will be immediately attacked as an attempt to rig the vote by whichever side feels they'll be disadvantaged by the change. So no one will think it's worth bothering.
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Mar 14, 2017 00:13
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CommieGIR posted:http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...source=facebook With a nationalist majority they arguably have constitutional authority for this according to the Principle of Consent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_consent Ironically this element of the constitution is / was opposed by Sinn Fein and other republicans, at least according to Wikipedia. Going to look at what they're actually saying now, but always remembered that the Good Friday agreement made provision for reunification subject to majority support. Edit: Aye it does indeed seem that this move is predicated on the Principle of Consent of the Good Friday agreement and the recent election results. Juliet Whisky fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Mar 14, 2017 00:19
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I know this is kinda off topic from the Scottish issue, but if there was an NIref, what sort of percentages would we be looking at?
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Mar 14, 2017 00:52
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Can one of the options in Indyref 2 be uniting with Ireland?
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Mar 14, 2017 00:59
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Acaila posted:I know this is kinda off topic from the Scottish issue, but if there was an NIref, what sort of percentages would we be looking at? Honestly no one knows. The biggest poll on it recently was conducted by the BBC last September, when it was 63% pro unionist, 22% pro unified Ireland, the trends not reflecting membership in nationalist parties. At the time though 80% claimed that Brexit had no effect on their position on the issue. Since then we know that the more that people have found out about the nature of Brexit that the more effect it has had on peoples attitudes towards the issue, but none of the major players involved in it have any interest in actually doing public polling on the issue. The nationalist parties clearly have been doing their own internal polling, but I have to imagine that if they thought that it was that close that they could pull it off they would have made a more proactive move before we did. If anything I get the sense that they're trying to force May into responding to them at the same time as she does the SNP as to try and build the momentum and piggy back off Scots independence.
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Mar 14, 2017 01:17
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Acaila posted:I know this is kinda off topic from the Scottish issue, but if there was an NIref, what sort of percentages would we be looking at? Aye it is definitely not the same question as it is here; I reminded myself with this nice Irish Times article, which doesn't itself take a particular position: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/a-united-ireland-is-there-something-in-the-air-1.3007271 I suppose the issue for all of us is what kind of relations we would like with our neighbours but Ireland is a definite derail; I expect more reference to Scotland from there than the other way around as things proceed.
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Mar 14, 2017 01:27
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Presumably a united Ireland would need both NI and RoI to hold referendums and come to some agreement in terms? Also the negotiations would I guess be between the Dáil and Westminster with Stormont advising rather than acting on their own behalf, unless NI left the UK before trying to unite?
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Mar 14, 2017 01:30
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big scary monsters posted:Presumably a united Ireland would need both NI and RoI to hold referendums and come to some agreement in terms? Also the negotiations would I guess be between the Dáil and Westminster with Stormont advising rather than acting on their own behalf, unless NI left the UK before trying to unite? It's... complicated. Here is the Irish politics thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3762596 It would be strange for NI to leave the UK before trying to unite under any current agreement though. It is the sort of thing which could happen in fantasy future scenarios maybe. Edit: Ha ha that thread is about how to get Irish citizenship and the terrible Irish government. Edit 2: The Beyonce article posted there is the best political journalism since Gary: Tank Commander did the BBC interviews at the last Scottish election. Juliet Whisky fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Mar 14, 2017 01:38
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Irish politics always seems complicated to me but I feel I learned a lot from that article.
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Mar 14, 2017 01:59
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Dumb question, do the SNP at Westminster get any kind of formal influence over the terms of brexit, or is it just May and the Davis Department clubhouse doing literally everything? Because it seems like it would benefit the SNP hugely if they can just stand on the sidelines shouting at the government over bad terms and loudly making nice with the EU while having no actual responsibility in the negotiations.
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Mar 14, 2017 11:49
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Vitamin P posted:Dumb question, do the SNP at Westminster get any kind of formal influence over the terms of brexit
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Mar 14, 2017 11:51
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Vitamin P posted:Dumb question, do the SNP at Westminster get any kind of formal influence over the terms of brexit, or is it just May and the Davis Department clubhouse doing literally everything? there are 2 SNP members on Benn's Exiting the EU Committee (out of 21)
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Mar 14, 2017 12:03
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Defensive stuff from Sturgeon https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/841610785818316802
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Mar 14, 2017 12:35
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Oh boy, this is going to be fun. Scotland might go Mad Max afterwards, but at least my passport will be of use again. 
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Mar 14, 2017 16:52
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Anyone in this thread planning to attend this anti BBC demo? https://mobile.twitter.com/YESthatcherDead/status/841631788292329474
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Mar 14, 2017 19:22
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This link just popped up on my facebook lmbo. Someone buy it. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01LWQUA8R
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Mar 14, 2017 19:28
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Pissflaps posted:Anyone in this thread planning to attend this anti BBC demo? oh good i can't wait to read this gag another 900 times yes the future of this thread is looking luminous
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Mar 14, 2017 20:24
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Angepain posted:oh good i can't wait to read this gag another 900 times Have you worked out how best to fit the word LEAVE on your face?
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Mar 14, 2017 20:48
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An interesting article taking about an apparent shift in SNP rhetoric away from aiming for an independent Scotland in the EU, to some sort of EFTA membership. I heard something similar on the radio today based on quotes from Sturgeon and Salmond. Surely such a policy would largely nullify the whole eu membership grievance that has prompted this in the first place?
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Mar 14, 2017 21:20
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Pissflaps posted:An interesting article taking about an apparent shift in SNP rhetoric away from aiming for an independent Scotland in the EU, to some sort of EFTA membership. I heard something similar on the radio today based on quotes from Sturgeon and Salmond. No because it would almost certainly entail accepting free movement and the single market which isn't possible within the UK as current likely Brexit outcome stands. It'd be a good outcome because it wouldn't mean joining the Euro.
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Mar 14, 2017 21:51
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Lord of the Llamas posted:No because it would almost certainly entail accepting free movement and the single market which isn't possible within the UK as current likely Brexit outcome stands. I don't mean it would be a compromise that sees Scotland in the UK and EFTA: I mean, if the SNP are seeking a referendum on independence based on Scotland being taken out of the EU, not seeking re-entry to the EU as an objective of that independence process would render the original cause of the grievance moot.
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Mar 14, 2017 21:55
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Pissflaps posted:An interesting article taking about an apparent shift in SNP rhetoric away from aiming for an independent Scotland in the EU, to some sort of EFTA membership. that's a lot of article based on not a lot of actual quote, there
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Mar 14, 2017 22:39
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Pissflaps posted:I don't mean it would be a compromise that sees Scotland in the UK and EFTA: I mean, if the SNP are seeking a referendum on independence based on Scotland being taken out of the EU, not seeking re-entry to the EU as an objective of that independence process would render the original cause of the grievance moot. I knew exactly what you meant. It's not moot because EFTA membership is a million miles away from what Brexit is shaping up to be.
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Mar 14, 2017 22:47
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Social attitudes survey finds support for Independence now higher than devolutionquote:Support for Scottish independence is at its highest level in the annual Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. Pretty significant findings from the Social Attitudes Survey. The table in the article is terrible but it still highlights how quickly support for independence has grown in less than 20 years.
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Mar 15, 2017 00:22
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I knew exactly what you meant. It's not moot because EFTA membership is a million miles away from what Brexit is shaping up to be. So you think it would be reasonable to launch a bid for independence based on being taken out of the EU without seeking to be in the EU upon becoming independent? Interesting. Also, new referendum campaign, new polling: https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/841778219338612736
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Mar 15, 2017 00:22
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Pissflaps posted:So you think it would be reasonable to launch a bid for independence based on being taken out of the EU without seeking to be in the EU upon becoming independent? Interesting. It's a lot more reasonable than what this government is proposing to do.
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We'll see again what the results are after 2 solid days of invective from south of the border. Project gently caress You And Die is the only thing worse for unionism than Project Fear.
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