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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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Pissflaps posted:There was a 'labour for independence' campaign but everyone in it joined the SNP straight after. The SNP got 45% in Holyrood 2011 elections so it's not as if we couldn't see it coming. Edit: 67%, my prediction for the result in Indyref2. Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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Mar 13, 2017 22:00
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Mar 13, 2017 22:03
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Flaps is right and it will be Quebexit tight, especially if Scotland is already out of the EU by the referendum, which will take some wind out of the SNP's sails in some respects but also give them a "these fuckers never listened to us" advantage.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:07
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Lord of the Llamas posted:The SNP got 45% in Holyrood 2011 elections so it's not as if we couldn't see it coming. 67%? No way. Not unless something really, really dramatic happens. Within 1% either way.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:09
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Can Jeremy Corbyn convince the people of Scotland to remain
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Mar 13, 2017 22:15
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I've run the numbers and he's not the guy to do it
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Mar 13, 2017 22:16
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He couldn't convince me to brush my teeth.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:18
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Pissflaps posted:He couldn't convince me to brush my teeth. You should brush your teeth twice daily pissflapd
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Mar 13, 2017 22:21
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53% to exit and destroy the festering shithole that is great britaine. Polls to show neck and neck, but the catastrophuckery that is brexit will be a good few years further up poo poo creek by then, and the writing on the wall will be far more obvious. Hell, the tories are already starting to go a bit lord of the flies. Of course, given that it seems I could get grandfathered citizenship and potentially retain/regain my EU rights so I'm a bit biased- but do a runner scotland folks, it's for your own drat good and you know it.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:26
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'Brexit shows why leaving a political and fiscal union with your most important trading partner is a bad idea....so this is why Scotland should leave the UK'.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:29
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Pissflaps posted:He couldn't convince me to brush my teeth. Do you identify as a teeth brusher?
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Mar 13, 2017 22:37
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Pissflaps posted:67%? No way. Not unless something really, really dramatic happens. It's a good nothing nothing dramatic tends to happen these days.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:40
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The referendum won't happen because by 2019 Theresa May will have declared herself lord protector of the British isles
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Mar 13, 2017 22:41
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Pissflaps posted:'Brexit shows why leaving a political and fiscal union with your most important trading partner is a bad idea....so this is why Scotland should leave the UK'. I reckon quite a few people might see the EU as a more important trading partner than the UK
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Mar 13, 2017 22:52
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Don't worry guys, as bad as Brexit goes at least you aren't trying to pass a bill that literally says "Murder the Poor" as far as I know. The tories don't hate the NHS this much, right?
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Mar 13, 2017 22:52
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If I had a vote on Scottish independence I would vote yes in a heartbeat. I know a lot of people south of the border who feel the same way.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:54
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A big flaming stink posted:Don't worry guys, as bad as Brexit goes at least you aren't trying to pass a bill that literally says "Murder the Poor" We'll get there. The Tories hate anything that isn't private ownership, even for things that should be state provided, where they will piss tons of cash away to give the illusion of the free market and competition, regardless of whether the state could do it better.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:54
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Plucky Brit posted:If I had a vote on Scottish independence I would vote yes in a heartbeat. I know a lot of people south of the border who feel the same way. If you move here you can get a vote.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:58
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mfcrocker posted:I reckon quite a few people might see the EU as a more important trading partner than the UK
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Mar 13, 2017 22:58
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I'm gonna go with Tories say no to referendum before brexit, maybe a supreme court challenge for the fun of it
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Mar 13, 2017 23:00
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For maximum hilarity, the Tories should call for one before Article 50 is triggered.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:03
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So Labour abstained on the EU nationals amendment when it came back to the Lords. loving typical.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:07
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Well they said they wouldn't continue to vote against the government if the commons rejected the amendments a second time so it was pretty well signposted
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Mar 13, 2017 23:07
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It's a complete poo poo show of a reason that Baroness Hayter gave, though:quote:Lady Hayter of Kentish Town, the shadow Brexit minister, is winding up now for Labour. I know a rather unimaginative parliamentary route: voting for an amendment on primary legislation.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:09
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Well yeah, there's not much to be gained from ping-pong at this rate, the commons can just skip the lords if there's too much back-and-forth and then you have ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE again.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:09
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Plucky Brit posted:For maximum hilarity, the Tories should call for one before Article 50 is triggered. like this week then?
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Mar 13, 2017 23:09
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Labour abstain on the parliamentary sovereignty amendment.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:11
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Water wet, sky grey, lords not able to overrule commons, more news at 11.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:13
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They could if Labour had a spine.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:13
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TinTower posted:They could if Labour had a spine. How?
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Mar 13, 2017 23:14
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Yeah I mean, Baroness Royall was pretty clear that if the government are going to ignore 100-strong defeats there's gently caress all benefit in ping-pong, the amendments aren't getting accepted and that's that. There's honestly no benefit to firing this amendment back, it's political suicide.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:15
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mfcrocker posted:I reckon quite a few people might see the EU as a more important trading partner than the UK They might. They'd be very wrong.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:17
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Prince John posted:How? This. Ultimatwly the commons can push things through, and May has the numbers. Even with Labour abstention, she still pressed everyone enough that even Ken Clarke returned to the party line.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:18
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mfcrocker posted:Yeah I mean, Baroness Royall was pretty clear that if the government are going to ignore 100-strong defeats there's gently caress all benefit in ping-pong, the amendments aren't getting accepted and that's that. https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/841388239491612673 Rather strange definition of "every stage". mehall posted:This. They keep putting the amendment back in. Again and again and again, if needs be.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:18
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TinTower posted:They could if Labour had a spine. What benefit is there to delaying the inevitable by a few months more? Is it not better that Brexit happens before a 2020 general election than after it?
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Mar 13, 2017 23:19
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I suppose one of the advantages of being a lib dem is you can engage in worthless stunts for zero benefit because really, what do you have to lose?
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Mar 13, 2017 23:20
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forkboy84 posted:What benefit is there to delaying the inevitable by a few months more? Is it not better that Brexit happens before a 2020 general election than after it? The Lords is a pisspoor revising chamber if it refuses to revise lovely legislation. OwlFancier posted:I suppose one of the advantages of being a lib dem is you can engage in worthless stunts for zero benefit because really, what do you have to lose? Sorry, that seems to be Corbyn's modus operandi now; after all, he keeps protesting against himself.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:21
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TinTower posted:They keep putting the amendment back in. Again and again and again, if needs be. How do you imagine this goes? Because I imagine it goes like this: Back to Commons. Passed without amendment. Back to Commons. Passed without amendment. Back to Commons. Passed without amendment. Public support drops for Lords. Back to Commons. Support drops further. etc At the very extreme edge, this goes a whole year without the country somehow setting itself on fire and the Parliament Act is invoked and it becomes law. Why is this useful?
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Mar 13, 2017 23:21
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Seriously TT, you seem to not actually understand how Parliament works.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:22
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No no I have a great idea, let's destroy the one minute semblance of a check on parliament's power because it would be top bantz.
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