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Elyv posted:Lava Spike was unplayable for like 8 years You talk pretty big smack for someone about to take 5 off this Lava Spike spliced w/ Glacial Ray
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Mar 13, 2017 20:54
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Jitte and Top are both miserable to play against albeit for completely different reasons and are rightfully banned from Modern, and it wouldn't surprise me if Top eventually eats a Legacy ban for boring opponents too much.
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Mar 13, 2017 20:58
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Konda was a cool card
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Mar 13, 2017 21:04
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I remember back in the day when misetings.com was still a thing, a photoshopped card "Umezawa's Jetta" that was a car that crashed throw a guard rail on a steep hillside road. "The only thing more broken that Umezawa's Jitte was his Jetta."
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Mar 13, 2017 21:19
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ThePeavstenator posted:To be fair, that had been true of fall sets going back to Innistrad, each one was the new highest selling when it came out. Kaladesh was the set that broke that streak which is why WotC is freaking the gently caress out about standard. It's not that I'm disagreeing with that, but Theros block wasn't really that poorly received in reality. People have bad memories of "low power" but it was sandwiched between two popular blocks where its mechanics did a bunch of work, so I don't really buy that it was as hated as some people claim.
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Mar 13, 2017 21:27
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Ravnica+Kamigawa standard was tons of fun. I had an great Wee Dragonaughts deck with the Lava Spike + Desperate Ritual + Izzet Guildmage combo. Jitte was a bit broken but since it's been out of Standard it has grown on me.
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Mar 13, 2017 21:28
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Angry Grimace posted:It's not that I'm disagreeing with that, but Theros block wasn't really that poorly received in reality. People have bad memories of "low power" but it was sandwiched between two popular blocks where its mechanics did a bunch of work, so I don't really buy that it was as hated as some people claim. I would be thrilled to see standard attendance numbers of theros standard compared to now. I bet its pretty shocking.
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Mar 13, 2017 21:39
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Sickening posted:I would be thrilled to see standard attendance numbers of theros standard compared to now. I bet its pretty shocking. That stupid foil land promotion they've got going has revived Standard attendance, but nobody is happy about playing. They're just paying $30 (the required six events at $5 each) for some shiny lands.
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Mar 13, 2017 21:44
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Sickening posted:I would be thrilled to see standard attendance numbers of theros standard compared to now. I bet its pretty shocking. I thought everyone hated Theros standard...
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Mar 13, 2017 22:07
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mcmagic posted:I thought everyone hated Theros standard... We all said it was real bad, but kept on playing anyway. This is so much worse that people actually stopped.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:09
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Theros standard let me play dictate of the twin gods in the same deck as boros reckoner and was therefore the best not actually the best nor a good combo
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Mar 13, 2017 22:10
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Cactrot posted:We all said it was real bad, but kept on playing anyway. That was a 3 deck standard but those decks were more interesting and fun to play.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:13
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Umezawa's Jitte is a cool card and equipment needs to be somewhere between it and the swords to be worth a poo poo
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Mar 13, 2017 22:15
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TheKingofSprings posted:Umezawa's Jitte is a cool card and equipment needs to be somewhere between it and the swords to be worth a poo poo It's not a cool card or a fun card. It's way overpowered and bad design.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:16
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mcmagic posted:It's not a cool card or a fun card. It's way overpowered and bad design. It can't even beat a Gurmag Angler when equipped to old Thalia. Bad card 0/10 would not equip again.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:20
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suicidesteve posted:It can't even beat a Gurmag Angler when equipped to old Thalia. Bad card 0/10 would not equip again. have you considered putting it on excellently designed and developed card true-name nemesis instead
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Mar 13, 2017 22:23
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Elyv posted:have you considered putting it on excellently designed and developed card true-name nemesis instead Jitte on mirran crusader is a beautiful thing
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Mar 13, 2017 22:24
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But he on anything with first or double strike is amazing. Swords too.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:41
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Elyv posted:have you considered putting it on excellently designed and developed card true-name nemesis instead No. Screw that card and whoever designed it and anyone who plays with it. gwrtheyrn posted:Jitte on mirran crusader is a beautiful thing Especially when it also has a Batterskull.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:44
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So if we're in a three deck format (really two) and they think it's fine and standard doesn't need any bannings, why did they ban anything in the first place? Reflector Mage would be broken in Copy Cat, but they could fix that by banning the loving Cat. We had Vehicles, GB Delirium, Marvel, and best deck of the format by a wide margin UW Flash (according to WotC, and opposite of every pro player's judgment) and they thought that banning cards from each deck would improve diversity. It didn't. Why not ban the stupid Cat and unban the rest until they figure out what actually needs to be banned? I fear Standard has been treated like Konami treats Yugioh - print overpowered expensive mythics, ban older cards that have already been sold to get people to buy the new poo poo, repeat. I'm real suspicious that banning Copter was just so Heart of Koran would see more play.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:48
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suicidesteve posted:Especially when it also has a Batterskull. And sword of fire and ice or sword of war and peace
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Mar 13, 2017 22:54
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Hellsau posted:So if we're in a three deck format (really two) and they think it's fine and standard doesn't need any bannings, why did they ban anything in the first place?
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Mar 13, 2017 23:00
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I still remember when people didn't realize how loving absurd Jitte was when it first came out. My friends and I made sure to grab as many Rats' Nest precons as we could find and as many copies for cheap as we could. We also made sure to pick up Damping Matrixes.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:02
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mcmagic posted:That was a 3 deck standard but those decks were more interesting and fun to play. It was a "3 deck Standard" ....kind of. The most dominant decks were around 4 decks, but Mono-Black wasn't actually so good as to legit push everything else out of the format. GW Aggro, Mono-Blue, RG Monsters, UW Control, Red Aggro and Mono-B were all decks that saw reasonable amounts of play during that period. There were also fringe strategies that saw play like Mono-Green Devotion. Games were actually quite good with most of those matches, as well. I think people legit misremember what that era was like because they were salty about Thoughtseize into Pack Rat. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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Mar 13, 2017 23:16
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mcmagic posted:I thought everyone hated Theros standard... MURDERGOATS is the only time I've had fun actually playing a Standard deck in years, rather than all of my Standard-related fun coming from trolling people with budget piles. THS-KTK Standard was alright for this too because of $50 Heroic Red but that deck was kinda mindless. Meanwhile I laughed in every MURDERGOATS match I played. RIP bhsman or whoever came up with that...thing.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:26
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gwrtheyrn posted:And sword of fire and ice or sword of war and peace I've only assembled the fabled Crusader, SoFI, Jitte, Batterskull combo once, against 4 color Delver. I won that game. Crusader with Jitte and SoFI is much more common and every bit as game-ending. I keep thinking War and Peace deserves a sideboard slot but it's not as good as Feast and Famine and it's really only good against exactly one deck (Miracles) and tbh I'd rather have the 2nd Cataclysm before the first RW Sword. All the swords except for Body and Mind are justifiable though, imo.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:26
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C-Euro posted:MURDERGOATS is the only time I've had fun actually playing a Standard deck in years, rather than all of my Standard-related fun coming from trolling people with budget piles. That deck is still word filtered in the IRC to this day
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Mar 13, 2017 23:28
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I see she found it necessary to watermark this totally original comic with photoshopped magic cards on it.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:45
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Hellsau posted:... Why not ban the stupid Cat and unban the rest until they figure out what actually needs to be banned? They will never ban a card that is in the most resent set currently being drafted and sold. "Here is our latest product to buy... btw you can't use 2 cards we banned in standard"
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Mar 13, 2017 23:47
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DoctorOozy posted:They will never ban a card that is in the most resent set currently being drafted and sold. They did that two decades ago
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Mar 13, 2017 23:49
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Angry Grimace posted:It was a "3 deck Standard" ....kind of. The most dominant decks were around 4 decks, but Mono-Black wasn't actually so good as to legit push everything else out of the format. GW Aggro, Mono-Blue, RG Monsters, UW Control, Red Aggro and Mono-B were all decks that saw reasonable amounts of play during that period. There were also fringe strategies that saw play like Mono-Green Devotion. Games were actually quite good with most of those matches, as well. Thoughtseize is a fine magic card, people may not like playing against it but it is a well constructed card and in a well balanced format it hits the sweet spot of powerful but fair. Pack Rat was a loving abomination, What a miserable card for limited and constructed, it absolutely ruined the format. E: You can't ban Emrakul/Copter/whatever and then unban it. That goes for any card banned in standard, once it is dead it needs to stay dead, I don't think unbanning a card in standard could ever be the correct decision even if the original banning was completely wrong. Marketing New Brain fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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Mar 13, 2017 23:50
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suicidesteve posted:I've only assembled the fabled Crusader, SoFI, Jitte, Batterskull combo once, against 4 color Delver. I won that game. Crusader with Jitte and SoFI is much more common and every bit as game-ending. I keep thinking War and Peace deserves a sideboard slot but it's not as good as Feast and Famine and it's really only good against exactly one deck (Miracles) and tbh I'd rather have the 2nd Cataclysm before the first RW Sword. All the swords except for Body and Mind are justifiable though, imo. I mostly prefer WaP because it interacts with mirran crusader's protections more favorably. If I played fewer or no mirran crusaders, I'd probably have FaF instead.
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Mar 13, 2017 23:57
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DoctorOozy posted:They will never ban a card that is in the most resent set currently being drafted and sold. They did that 2 months ago. You still have to buy Kaladesh to draft Aether Revolt.
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Mar 14, 2017 00:01
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DoctorOozy posted:They will never ban a card that is in the most resent set currently being drafted and sold. You mean like Smuggler's Copter? Marketing New Brain posted:Thoughtseize is a fine magic card, people may not like playing against it but it is a well constructed card and in a well balanced format it hits the sweet spot of powerful but fair. Pack Rat was a loving abomination, What a miserable card for limited and constructed, it absolutely ruined the format. Pack Rat was the beginning of "answer this 2 mana card immediately or lose" game play, huh? I never really thought about that.
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Mar 14, 2017 00:05
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The only good Standard formats in recent memory were around Khans/Fate (DTK hosed stuff up some and Origins/BFZ were death) and INN-RTR.
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Mar 14, 2017 00:07
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suicidesteve posted:Pack Rat was the beginning of "answer this 2 mana card immediately or lose" game play, huh? I never really thought about that. Even then, there were answers that could you catch you back up if you drew them later, and even severely punish your opponent for going too all-in on the rats.
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Mar 14, 2017 00:12
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Marketing New Brain posted:Thoughtseize is a fine magic card, people may not like playing against it but it is a well constructed card and in a well balanced format it hits the sweet spot of powerful but fair. Pack Rat was a loving abomination, What a miserable card for limited and constructed, it absolutely ruined the format. Pack Rat was literally a limited bulk rare before Innistrad rotated. It slotted well in Mono black devotion, of course, but it's prominence was solely an artifact of Theros being the most drastic reduction of power level in the game to date.
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Mar 14, 2017 00:15
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Angry Grimace posted:It was a "3 deck Standard" ....kind of. The most dominant decks were around 4 decks, but Mono-Black wasn't actually so good as to legit push everything else out of the format. GW Aggro, Mono-Blue, RG Monsters, UW Control, Red Aggro and Mono-B were all decks that saw reasonable amounts of play during that period. There were also fringe strategies that saw play like Mono-Green Devotion. Games were actually quite good with most of those matches, as well. Don't forget RW Burn. Boros Charm + Lightning Strike + Warleader's Helix + Eidolon of the Great Revel was such a fun deck.  Also, I maindecked a singleton copy of Harness by Force by which I killed so many people who overextend with Desecration Demon. 
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A big flaming stink posted:Pack Rat was literally a limited bulk rare before Innistrad rotated. It slotted well in Mono black devotion, of course, but it's prominence was solely an artifact of Theros being the most drastic reduction of power level in the game to date. More than urzas->masques? AlternateNu posted:Don't forget RW Burn. Boros Charm + Lightning Strike + Warleader's Helix + Eidolon of the Great Revel was such a fun deck. I maindecked dictate of the twin gods and boros reckoner because boros charm, boros reckoner, and twin gods is infinite damage
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