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T-man posted:Personally I think the rich should be hunted for sport, but whatever, I can see that you still have a lot of growing up to do. This but unironically
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winterwerefox posted:
Maybe I'm starting to lose it here, but is Tinsley coming down on the right side of history for once? Has he stopped drinking??
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Ah yes the one famine that ever occurred in chinese history, thanks to communism.
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They should stop calling this healthcare poo poo sandwich "Obamacare Lite" or whatever. Obama isn't in anyway responsible for causing millions of people to lose their health insurance, this should entirely be on Trump/Republicans. Call it Trumpcare or something.
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Easy Salmon Recipe posted:Maybe I'm starting to lose it here, but is Tinsley coming down on the right side of history for once?  I made an editCall it what it is Republicare.
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Axetrain posted:They should stop calling this healthcare poo poo sandwich "Obamacare Lite" or whatever. Obama isn't in anyway responsible for causing millions of people to lose their health insurance, this should entirely be on Trump/Republicans. Call it Trumpcare or something. Remember this is Right-wingers calling it this. Any health care bill is heresy to them.
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winterwerefox posted:
You got my hopes up that he might have gone sane. 
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I'm sorry to interject into dick-measuring atrocitychat and I'm not trying to defend repressive communist regimes but I hate it when people compare communist mass atrocities to capitalist ones as if they're trying to make some point that communism kills millions just because it's communism and not because of a myriad of structural, environmental and leadership factors. Just to add to the capitalist tally for mass-murder fuckups, intentional, unintentional and otherwise. North American Native Genocide -> Approx 76 million. Central American Native Genocide -> In excess of 20 million ( foreign disease and starvation multiplied by Spanish destabilization) Vietnam War -> Up to Between 1.5 million and 3.2 million (Civilians and NVA, ARVN and other coalition troops not counted, but also victims) Not having healthcare in the US-> Estimated between 20k and 40k a year. So in 40 years up to 1.6 million. This is a derail and otherwise I love lurking this thread but this argument is titanic loving dumb. There is nothing special about capitalism that makes it magically better for your health. Also Capitalism in action is really more of an ideology than a political system as Communism has been applied. China are Capitalism Communists so I dunno consider that. Both ideologies kill when opportunists find ways to apply them as justification. Reds are not going to steal your freedom and capitalism is not your friend (unless you're rich as gently caress.) Anyway LeoMarr should shut up.
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quote:“Do you think I ran a campaign where white supremacists had a platform?” Conway asked. ...is this a trick question? It was a loving cornerstone of their campaign, you don't get the endorsement of the KKK for petting kittens.
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xthetenth posted:Capitalism doesn't kill its winners, it kills its losers. How'd India do? How'd Ireland do? And if we're widening the scope to all communist countries, how'd Tibet do? Again, seems to me that the major difference is Communism was always contained.
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Question, does anyone still taking part in the high-school-level "was 20th century communism worse than capitalism?" debate actually think it has real-world modern-day political implications? Because that's the context it first came up in, but it is simply not the case ToxicFrog posted:...is this a trick question? It was a loving cornerstone of their campaign, you don't get the endorsement of the KKK for petting kittens. That's Our Kellyanne!TM
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DeliciousPatriotism posted:I'm sorry to interject into dick-measuring atrocitychat and I'm not trying to defend repressive communist regimes but I hate it when people compare communist mass atrocities to capitalist ones as if they're trying to make some point that communism kills millions just because it's communism and not because of a myriad of structural, environmental and leadership factors. By a very long shot, most of those deaths were from disease. You can't really pin all those deaths on any system or people. Afro-Eurasia simply had vastly more human diseases over the millennia which killed us by the tens of millions over the centuries when each of these diseases were new. They just became new for the Western Hemisphere all at once. Not to mention that you're putting the death toll as higher than the total pre-columbian population of the western hemisphere. North America, excluding Mexico and south, had somewhere between 7 and 18 million people. I don't know how you think we killed 78 million when there were only 18 million at the high estimate. Where could you possibly have heard 76 million from?
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chairface posted:This but unironically Good thing Americans don't like the rich and aspire to be them or this would be a strategy that gets us nowhere. Maybe we could focus only on the sociopathic rich that want to gently caress poor people over, the views of which are echoed on every level by the Republican party? Nah, that would mean we can't claim both sides are bad.
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Fulchrum posted:Good thing Americans don't like the rich and aspire to be them or this would be a strategy that gets us nowhere. as opposed to the current strategy of ??? which has gotten us ?????
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Cpt.Americant posted:By a very long shot, most of those deaths were from disease. You can't really pin all those deaths on any system or people. Afro-Eurasia simply had vastly more human diseases over the millennia which killed us by the tens of millions over the centuries when each of these diseases were new. They just became new for the Western Hemisphere all at once. You absolutely can Fulchrum posted:Good thing Americans don't like the rich and aspire to be them or this would be a strategy that gets us nowhere. There's literally no other rich besides the sociopathic.
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Ruzihm posted:Ah yes the one famine that ever occurred in chinese history, thanks to communism. Usually famines aren't so blatantly manmade.
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winterwerefox posted:
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Improbable Lobster posted:There's literally no other rich besides the sociopathic. "The love of money is the root of all evils." Probably the truest words ever written in any religious text.
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Yeah, the love of money, not just having it. There are a fuckload of poor people who love money. They all vote GOP and hate the "moocher" class fiercely.Improbable Lobster posted:
Meanwhile, there are millions of sociopathic poor people who vote Republican because gently caress them filthy Mexicans.
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loquacius posted:Yeah you're right, I should have done what you did in the post I was responding to and taken down a nameless arbitrary anonymous strawman instead of Clinton's communications director I'm not really sure what you're intending to prove, given that nobody has ever accused Hillary Clinton of putting principles above pragmatism. Comparing a distraught woman lashing out at an inveterate liar to people that, for example, wanted to kill the ACA because it wasn't single-payer, or doomed Occupy Wall Street to irrelevance by refusing to vote, is kind of a leap. If you insist on names: Howard Dean, Jane Hamsher, Darcy Burner, Markos Moulitsas before he got better, and Bernie Sanders for wanting to primary Obama. That should get you started.
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Fulchrum posted:Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, George Soros... lmao
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There were nice slaveowners too.
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And good cops.
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I'll tell you why I like the cigarette business. It costs a penny to make. Sell it for a dollar. It's addictive. And there's fantastic brand loyalty.
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 David Pope:  Elon Musk is offering to fix the power issues in South Australia. David Rowe:  Barners is Barnaby Joyce, leader of the National Party. Pauline is Pauline Hanson, leader of Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party starring Pauline Hanson. Today's classic Bill Leak (which I believe is Dec. 2009): 
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Mantis42 posted:There were nice slaveowners too. You ever noticed how the confederate army wasn't exclusively made up of rich white southern gentlemen slave owners, and instead had a lot of people who weren't personally slave owners, but still fought to help slave owners keep their slaves because they were sociopaths? But no, I guess that instead of letting him kill southern racists, the union army should have just kicked Grant out and made him join the Confederates because he once owned a slave.
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"No, no, only I, the smartest person to have ever lived, can tell you precisely how to bring about the Revolution. Now for a party wide circular firing squad to show you just how enlightened I am." - College Leftist 101 The real reason we'll never eat the rich is because the poor wouldn't know what kind of wine goes with human foie gras.
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You know, all those perfectly good rich that are being hosed over by those sociopath poors
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Skippy Granola posted:Oodalally! Banoniss: Good News Sire! Money is pouring in, the labor camps are full and - Oh - I have good news sir! Friar Sanders is in Jail! Prince T: FRIAR SANDERS?! ITS OBAMA HOOD I WANT YOU CUCK!
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Fulchrum posted:Yeah, the love of money, not just having it. There are a fuckload of poor people who love money. They all vote GOP and hate the "moocher" class fiercely. What makes a good rich person is their willingness to contribute some of their money to The Common Good. We just want to tax them, to ensure their less-good friends come along for the ride  Shangri-Law School posted:I'm not really sure what you're intending to prove, given that nobody has ever accused Hillary Clinton of putting principles above pragmatism. Comparing a distraught woman lashing out at an inveterate liar to people that, for example, wanted to kill the ACA because it wasn't single-payer, or doomed Occupy Wall Street to irrelevance by refusing to vote, is kind of a leap. I was just trying to give you a counterexample to bring your rampage of smug self-satisfaction to a dignified early close, but clearly this was a fool's errand
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Improbable Lobster posted:You know, all those perfectly good rich that are being hosed over by those sociopath poors Because as we all know, it is impossible for a poor white person to ever vote against their own personal interests.
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loquacius posted:What makes a good rich person is their willingness to contribute some of their money to The Common Good. We just want to tax them, to ensure their less-good friends come along for the ride You know who opposes the buffet rule and the estate tax? Poor white Republican voters. How exactly does saying all rich people are the enemy help against them?
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Flipperwaldt posted:Try to avoid flagrant spelling errors next time. Why should he put in more effort than Tinsley?
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Flipperwaldt posted:Try to avoid flagrant spelling errors next time. Sorry about that, fixed it. 
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Improbable Lobster posted:You absolutely can How? Unless we just never made contact, the overwhelming majority of the die offs would have happened with or without capitalism and the west. If a communist India or an anarchist Korea or any system from any afro-eurasian peoples who were the first to reach the Americas, the same die off would have happened simply because we had many diseases from our various plagues that they had never encountered. How is that anyone's conscious fault? And I'm still wondering how we killed 78 million when only 18 million lived there. Edit: Was anyone responsible for the Antonine Plague or the Plague of Justinian or the Plague of Athens? Because those plagues killed tens of millions over the centuries. Those plagues mean we who survived developed some immunity. The Americas had no immunity to anything, so all of our centuries of plagues became their plagues all at once. That really can't be laid at the feet of any economic system because there is no economic system that would have impacted this one way or another. Cpt.Americant fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Fulchrum posted:You mean with, oh, to pick an example at random, the Buffet rule? Probably named ironically, since as a rich person Warren Buffet must have railed against the law. I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to argue with me here, as per usual e: oh wait, it's "poor poor wealthy philanthrophists, how will they ever cope with anti-rich discrimination  " I guess? What does "the left" even mean anymore
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