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Parallels between the IRA and Sinn Fein have been drawn before now, if that helps. Fred is trying to legitimise the OPA politically, but he's not quite there in the show yet. It's more of an open secret he leads an OPA faction than anything else, Tycho Station is still technically under the control of the Tycho corporation. That's why he needed those missiles as leverage to get to the negotiating table with Earth and Mars. Ironically, Dawes ousting the Earth governor and being put in charge of Ceres has given the OPA more legitimacy than any of Fred's gambits up to now.
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Phi230 posted:I guess the OPA isn't as scrappy Hezbollah in space anymore because after Eros they should be a legitimate governing force in the system. So they're hamas then
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tooterfish posted:Ironically, Dawes ousting the Earth governor and being put in charge of Ceres has given the OPA more legitimacy than any of Fred's gambits up to now. Earth pulled out of Ceres to avoid being caught in the middle of Mars/Belt drama following the attacks on the Canterbury and Donnager, not because Dawes managed to force them out. He/his OPA faction was certainly happy to fill that power vacuum, though.
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The Iron Rose posted:So they're hamas then Which I guess makes Johnson the PLO?
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Which I guess makes Johnson the PLO? Pretty much. Johnson is totes Abbas
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The Iron Rose posted:Pretty much. Johnson is totes Abbas Mars is Israel and the US is the UN?
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The actor who plays Holden was Warren Peace in the movie Sky High. Sort of blew my mind when I saw it on IMDB.
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The Iron Rose posted:Pretty much. Johnson is totes Abbas He does seem like a dancing queen
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When was earth pulling out of Ceres discussed? Is that a book thing, or did I just miss it? There were riots and Mars and the belters were pissed at each other, then Miller got fired and hosed off. Dawes was the de facto leader from the beginning, but I don't recall earth actually pulling out and Dawes officially taking over.
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counterfeitsaint posted:When was earth pulling out of Ceres discussed? Is that a book thing, or did I just miss it? There were riots and Mars and the belters were pissed at each other, then Miller got fired and hosed off. Dawes was the de facto leader from the beginning, but I don't recall earth actually pulling out and Dawes officially taking over. Miller might have watched a news feed on the ship to Eros or on Eros?
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A little bit of Season 1 chat as it relates to Amazon. Amazon's search REALLY REALLY sucks and I uncovered through Instantwatcher that Season 1 is avaliable in UHD. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N0SMDTT/ref=atv_feed_catalog&tag=iw_prime_tv-20&ref_=asc_homepage And yes, it's real 4k as far as I can tell. It actually looks substantially better than the blu-rays. I'm actually really pissed that there's not a UHD blu-ray release or I can't buy the new season 2 episodes as they air in UHD.
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While I agree with you about wanting a UHD purchase for season 2, it looks so gorgeous as is I can't imagine it looking that much better. Also, time for another session 1 rewatch! vvvvv this guy gets it.
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bull3964 posted:A little bit of Season 1 chat as it relates to Amazon. BRB, re‐watching season one.
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Watching "The Expanse" on a 65" OLED is amazing. I'm glad they don't screw up the black level when mastering the show. Having space be completely and totally black with the bright flares of the dives looks incredible.
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Platystemon posted:Dawes is pre‐revolutionary Fidel Castro. This makes me like Dawes more. Castro was the best.
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counterfeitsaint posted:When was earth pulling out of Ceres discussed? Is that a book thing, or did I just miss it? There were riots and Mars and the belters were pissed at each other, then Miller got fired and hosed off. Dawes was the de facto leader from the beginning, but I don't recall earth actually pulling out and Dawes officially taking over. I'll have to rewatch season 1 to check. If they included it, Earth officially withdrawing from Ceres would've been right around when Miller got fired.
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Error 404 posted:This makes me like Dawes more. Castro was the best. Dawes is a lot less racist against Earthers in the belt than Castro was to blacks in Cuba and there's no reason to think Dawes is homophobic at all (or does the protomolecule = HIV?) so the comparison doesn't seem terribly apt, but you like the sort of political violence against minorities that you like, I guess.
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Baronjutter posted:You know who else isn't that interesting at times? Holden. He always does the right thing, he's such a perfect neutral good main player character but can be really wooden and boring at times. From the beginning, Holden has reminded me mostly of One from Dark Matter. I don't know why they decided he should be in charge of anything, because he's utterly ineffectual. He pretends to be good and moral as a cover for indecisiveness and lack of conviction. I don't see what he supposedly contributes to anything.
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ATP_Power posted:Buncha inyalowda posting ITT. Apparently i'm an idiot cuz I just now realized that Anderson Dawes is played by Jared Harris, aka King George VI on The Crown, and Lane Pryce on Mad Men (light spoilers for both). I wouldn't say he's got wide range, but I could listen to him monologue in any accent all day 
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Tiggum posted:From the beginning, Holden has reminded me mostly of One from Dark Matter. I don't know why they decided he should be in charge of anything, because he's utterly ineffectual. He pretends to be good and moral as a cover for indecisiveness and lack of conviction. I don't see what he supposedly contributes to anything. Sometimes there's a role for just being that sort of moral guy that holds everyone together not through any particular skill or leadership but just because they fell into the role and everyone trusts them enough.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:Dawes is a lot less racist against Earthers in the belt than Castro was to blacks in Cuba and there's no reason to think Dawes is homophobic at all (or does the protomolecule = HIV?) so the comparison doesn't seem terribly apt, but you like the sort of political violence against minorities that you like, I guess. If you're going to be like that about it then there's no point trying to make a comparison to anyone at any point in history ever, except maybe the last 15 years.
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counterfeitsaint posted:When was earth pulling out of Ceres discussed? Is that a book thing, or did I just miss it? There were riots and Mars and the belters were pissed at each other, then Miller got fired and hosed off. Dawes was the de facto leader from the beginning, but I don't recall earth actually pulling out and Dawes officially taking over. It's a book thing; the entire first book is pretty much concentrated on the Belt vs Mars with Earth as an afterthought (in fact, Earth and Mars are coordinated in having a anti-piracy patrol they both participate together in); as soon as the poo poo hits the fan in the belt Earth pulls out of belt stations entirely. Miller doesn't get fired because he learns too much and tipped off his hand early; he gets fired more because he's a dead weight and the captain doesn't trust him to watch her back when OPA takes control of the station. Outside of Earth's nukes, pulling out of the Belt, and Protogen, it might as well not exist in Leviathan Wakes. Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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counterfeitsaint posted:If you're going to be like that about it then there's no point trying to make a comparison to anyone at any point in history ever, except maybe the last 15 years. Bit of a tangent, but I really dislike this idea in history. It basically acts as a whitewash and erases the stories of people at the time who did actually resist problematic hegemonic thoughts in favour of preserving the image of certain figures.
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gohmak posted:Mars is Israel and the US is the UN? I'd say UN is Israel while Mars is kind of like Saudi Arabia.
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It's hard to even compare the Belter's situation to any contemporary political situation because of the physiological realities of being a Belter. Even if there was room on Earth, they could never live there, there is no home for Belters on Mars or Earth, their bodies can't take it. Their fates are consigned to the spaces between gravity wells unless they're willing to accept a complete obliteration of what makes them Belters in the first place.
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Most Belters could tolerate the gravity of a moon—probably even Mars, if they can set foot on Ceres or a station like Tycho. Getting down the gravity well might be a problem, but with the efficiency of an Epstein drive, you could make an arbitarily soft landing. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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ATP_Power posted:It's hard to even compare the Belter's situation to any contemporary political situation because of the physiological realities of being a Belter. Even if there was room on Earth, they could never live there, there is no home for Belters on Mars or Earth, their bodies can't take it. Obviously they couldn't handle a sudden change, but adjustment via gradual increases in gravity would be quite possible. Humans are one of the most adaptable species in existence. Being a Belter doesn't change that.
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Platystemon posted:Most Belters could tolerate the gravity of a moon—probably even Mars, if they can set foot on Ceres or a station like Tycho. E: enraged_camel posted:Obviously they couldn't handle a sudden change, but adjustment via gradual increases in gravity would be quite possible. ATP_Power fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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MizPiz posted:I'd say UN is Israel while Mars is kind of like Saudi Arabia. I the books the UN is like Uganda while Mars is like Laos.
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The OPA isn't Hamas because, to stretch the analogy, a vaguely anti western drug gang isn't Hamas and an organisation of Palestinian peace activists isn't Hamas. Like the OPA militants are comparable, sure. But a crew of belt pirates or a ceres dockyard union would say they are just as much OPA and have no connection to the hardliners' hierarchy at all. Whuch makes you wonder about Dawes giving the 'secret weapon' to the belt because there's absolutely no structure for him to control them all, even with his connections.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Bit of a tangent, but I really dislike this idea in history. It basically acts as a whitewash and erases the stories of people at the time who did actually resist problematic hegemonic thoughts in favour of preserving the image of certain figures. I don't even know what you're trying to say here.
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counterfeitsaint posted:I don't even know what you're trying to say here. Do you really not?
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Platystemon posted:Most Belters could tolerate the gravity of a moon—probably even Mars, if they can set foot on Ceres or a station like Tycho. A lot of Belt stations are at Mars gravity, 0.38 g, so most belters can handle that. Titan, Ganymede, and Callisto are populated moons with pretty low gravity. 0.14g, 0.15g, 0.13g respectively. And the Moon would be fine, that's 0.16g.
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counterfeitsaint posted:I don't even know what you're trying to say here. Hitler was a racist genocidal maniac, Churchill's views of Indians and his inaction during the Bengal famine was just how people were at the time.
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Party Plane Jones posted:It's a book thing; the entire first book is pretty much concentrated on the Belt vs Mars with Earth as an afterthought (in fact, Earth and Mars are coordinated in having a anti-piracy patrol they both participate together in); as soon as the poo poo hits the fan in the belt Earth pulls out of belt stations entirely. Miller doesn't get fired because he learns too much and tipped off his hand early; he gets fired more because he's a dead weight and the captain doesn't trust him to watch her back when OPA takes control of the station. No, in the book Miller gets fired because Dawes tells Shadid to do so. She knows that Star Helix is pulling out and Dawes OPA was signing the new pay checks.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:I the books the UN is like Uganda while Mars is like Laos. So then OPA would be like the Zapatistas.
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Toast Museum posted:Do you really not? I can't speak for counterfeitsaint, but I really have no idea what WhiskeyWhiskers's post meant.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:Dawes is a lot less racist against Earthers in the belt than Castro was to blacks in Cuba and there's no reason to think Dawes is homophobic at all (or does the protomolecule = HIV?) so the comparison doesn't seem terribly apt, but you like the sort of political violence against minorities that you like, I guess. What sort of gohmak fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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