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Groogy posted:No it doesn't make more resources available magically. It just makes you have first dibs/or whatever country) on more resources. The only agent in the economy that can make resources appear out of nothing is Artisans. And I should clarify that I've played hundreds of hours of Vicky 2. It's just the hardest Paradox game to understand besides HOI 3. Sarmhan fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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Ein Sexmonster posted:I should clarify- I know it doesn't affect the raw amount. But in terms of what the player sees, relatively small prestige shifts can crash entire economies. "Sorry, you're now 5th place prestige and your entire cotton supply is gone". It's consistent once you understand it but it is definitely frustrating and opaque to an uninitiated player. Also politics has no affect on the flow of goods, meaning you can be at war with some on and still sell guns to them due to how the world market works Also playing a minor power can suck, because your economy will crash 9 times outta 10 if you get sphered
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If you didn't get it I was trying to be funny by correcting you and then stating what borked black magic the economy actually does  Got a lot of hours into it as well. Also reminds me I should stop playing Utopia and continue on my Independent Texas game...
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Ein Sexmonster posted:Capitalists are idiots and don't consider supply/demand/resource availability before building factories- So you're saying it's a pretty good depiction of economics
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Yes because in the real world you will go with this train of thought as a lowly worker who is living on pennies: "Hmm I got some meat, some fish, some fruit, some grain and even some liquor lucky me. But I don't have any cotton so gently caress YOU I WILL RATHER STARVE TO DEATH"
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Groogy posted:Yes because in the real world you will go with this train of thought as a lowly worker who is living on pennies: Better dead than nakéd
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I have basically no idea how vicky works, which will probably be my handicap when I convert EUIV over 
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spectralent posted:I have basically no idea how vicky works, which will probably be my handicap when I convert EUIV over Play it like it is a stock market. That's how I could industrialize Texas. I just bought when stuff was cheap and sat on it until demand built up and then dumped it on the market. Also the goods you start with as Texas can give you like £500 000. Also depending on if you are a small or big nation, you might need to b-line for Prestige technologies if you are going by that strategy. My advice is to buy luxury furniture, the good will just constantly rise in price for like 30 years straight I think. So if you buy it at start of game you got a good investment. Groogy fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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Also French capitalist's entire strategy for whatever reason. I don't even think they have that much tropical wood in their sphere most of the time, they just loving love fancy chairs and fancy clothes more than anyone else.
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StrixNebulosa posted:https://twitter.com/TheWesterFront/status/841239274259390465 I assume this is PI trying to get back on a branding scheme after being Swedish Focus Home Interactive for so long.
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StrixNebulosa posted:https://twitter.com/TheWesterFront/status/841239274259390465 Is that why they let Kerberos release sots2
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corn in the bible posted:Is that why they let Kerberos release sots2
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That happened like 50 expansions ago. Much like Jesus, Corn in the Bible forgives but he never forgets
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EU 4 question for y'all. What should I be doing to get value out of expanding once I'm at or exceeding my state limit? I'm playing a Muscovy->Russia game right now and since I can conquer a bunch of lovely land from Oirat and those folks every 15 years I have expanded way farther East than is probably valuable. Combining that with eating the Ottomans and PLC and chunks of Sweden means I am way over my state limit (even with...Administrative? The one that gives 5 states). It feels like the marginal value of 75% autonomy 3-7 development provinces in Siberia and Tunguska (both from conquering and using my NI colonist) is pretty much zero. Do I need to be releasing permanent vassals? Should I just be accepting that I have blobbed to my hearts content and have nothing left to do except force my way to the sea and take over colonial nations for tariffs?
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Arcturas posted:EU 4 question for y'all. What should I be doing to get value out of expanding once I'm at or exceeding my state limit? I'm playing a Muscovy->Russia game right now and since I can conquer a bunch of lovely land from Oirat and those folks every 15 years I have expanded way farther East than is probably valuable. Combining that with eating the Ottomans and PLC and chunks of Sweden means I am way over my state limit (even with...Administrative? The one that gives 5 states). It feels like the marginal value of 75% autonomy 3-7 development provinces in Siberia and Tunguska (both from conquering and using my NI colonist) is pretty much zero. Do I need to be releasing permanent vassals? Should I just be accepting that I have blobbed to my hearts content and have nothing left to do except force my way to the sea and take over colonial nations for tariffs? Your State Limit will steadily increase over the course of the game, which is cool and gives you a reason to keep growing. Having the 75% Autonomy land is better than an enemy having it, however if you dont mind managing a vassal or three yeah you can pop one out so they own the land at 0% autonomy (eventually) and get more out of it than you do.
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:Much like Jesus, Corn in the Bible forgives but he never forgets Only God Forgives
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my vicky 2 experience start as USCA, figure out how to beat the inital revolt. maintain unity. change tax policy and attract capitalists. very slowly tend to the needs of the capitalists as they drop out for lack of education or whatever. try to give them money. watch as they slowly accumulate funds. good, good soon we will have our first factory, our industrialization will be slow but mighty and the armies of central america wi- what the gently caress, a glass factory? i dont even have coal you sons of bitches. gently caress it, 100% taxes on the rich
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Agean90 posted:Also politics has no affect on the flow of goods, meaning you can be at war with some on and still sell guns to them due to how the world market works Yeah I always found it weird that Vicky had no embargo mechanics of any kind. Although maybe they tried it at some point and it just broke the economic model too much (I could easily see being embargoed by a great power with a lot of nations in their sphere to be a death sentence no matter how strong your own economy is).
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I'm sure someone will get back to you in this thread because most people read both threads, but there is a dedicated EU4 thread if you like keeping up with the game and the crazy poo poo some people do in it: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3725024 Apparently I am really bad at finding threads. Thanks!
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Wasn't the guy who coded Victoria 2's economy some crazy Thatcherite who wanted to have the model prove the superiority of the free market but instead because your Capitalists are all pants on head retarded the way to actually have a winning economy was always state capitalism or full communism?
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Wasn't the guy who coded Victoria 2's economy some crazy Thatcherite who wanted to have the model prove the
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The saddest part of Vicky 2 is that actual anarchists aren't in it, other than as technologies. Same with HOI4 passed Belgium and Cambodia.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:The saddest part of Vicky 2 is that actual anarchists aren't in it, other than as technologies. There's no events similar to the Paris Commune? Or does that get lumped into communism?
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Skwirl posted:There's no events similar to the Paris Commune? Or does that get lumped into communism?
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Ofaloaf posted:Wasn't Blanquism a prominent ideology among the Communards, though? It doesn't seem right to label them as strictly and solely anarchists. In the sense that they were the most professionally organised, but basically in accordance with Blanquism, there weren't that many of them. e:Definitely an essential part of the history though, you're right. WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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What, anarchists aren't in Vicky? I can see how it'd be hard to model their government but I thought they'd appear as rebels or something.
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I don't know how you'd represent an ideology that is all about the state being unnecessary in a game that's all about states, but anarcho-liberal guy probably didn't even try.
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Kavak posted:I don't know how you'd represent an ideology that is all about the state being unnecessary in a game that's all about states, but anarcho-liberal guy probably didn't even try. You play as anarchist rebels instead
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Capitalists get replaced by craftsmen, a few more reforms unlock for stuff like workplace democracy. I could see it working.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Capitalists get replaced by craftsmen, a few more reforms unlock for stuff like workplace democracy. I could see it working. That is an interesting idea and would allow Syndicalism in as well.
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Kavak posted:That is an interesting idea and would allow Syndicalism in as well. i could have sworn there was a mod that gave you more options for communism so you didnt have be a totalitarian bolshevik also thanks a lot guys now im screwing around in vicky 2 again. christ the military system is a mess now that ive seen all the advances in EU4 and HOI4
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Agean90 posted:i could have sworn there was a mod that gave you more options for communism so you didnt have be a totalitarian bolshevik Yeah I remember seeing it in the Byzantine mega-lp, but I can't remember the name of it either.
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I really hope Victoria 3 has all sorts of political ideologies modeled. Or at least a handful done really well.Kavak posted:I don't know how you'd represent an ideology that is all about the state being unnecessary in a game that's all about states, but anarcho-liberal guy probably didn't even try. Assuming anarchists took over, you could model this by untagging states. They would be incredibly vulnerable to foreign seizure, but uh... that's because anarchism is loving retarded in real life. Alternatively, you could have your government change hands (as is in the game now) but its replaced with despotism of whatever flavor the movement was.
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Given the shitshow that was stellaris discussion after ideologies got revealed, I hope victoria 3 has none at all.
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Senor Dog posted:Given the shitshow that was stellaris discussion after ideologies got revealed, I hope victoria 3 has none at all.
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The only ideologies in Vicky 3 will be "Is King of kwaZulu" and "Will Be Killed By King of kwaZulu".
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I recall somebody talking about a mod they were developing which would add anarchists and anarchist societies into the game. As far as I recall, it involved a new POP type called "Red Craftsmen", who had the ability to collectively fund the construction of factories and railways, like Capitalists currently do.
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ThaumPenguin posted:I recall somebody talking about a mod they were developing which would add anarchists and anarchist societies into the game. Announcing a hot new Kickstarter: Glass Factory In Virginia! Get in on the early bird level to get your name carved onto one of the bricks. We have a limited upper tier reward where you'll get to personally starve the children one day a week!
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Senor Dog posted:Given the shitshow that was stellaris discussion after ideologies got revealed, I hope victoria 3 has none at all. I think that depends on how are Paradox tries, as most of the shitstorm was how half assed they were
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