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Hoooollllyyyy poo poo. So this is worse than our worst case estimates but somehow we have come out relatively intact. IKA AND SANDMAN REPORT! The way we have deployed in town (against my orders I might add, I was explicit that the bde deploy along the western outskirts) may have hosed us if they charge so holy poo poo lets hope that we can counter-charge or the MG do their jobs.
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Our support should supress or kill some of the three combat capable cars next turn, I'm pretty sure we have enough troops to kill them, including the two that retreated. It's kind of down to whether our brigade has enough to survive a morale check. Second brigade isn't in an optimal formation, but I very much doubt the BEF will survive an attack if we just stay in the town and let the support cut them down as they charge.
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Mar 14, 2017 00:49
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Just look at all our machine guns. Historically charging emplaced machine guns with dudes on horsies goes one way and one way only. Just tell our guys to stop, drop, and get ready to roll, and get 3bde moved up. We are doing great.
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Mar 14, 2017 00:51
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I dont think we can see the AC till they fire as they are in the sunken road. Our own MG fire at the same time soooo we dont see them till they cut down our horsemen and then its too late to fire? Is this the correct interpreation of the rules cause we may be about to be reamed by them.
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Mar 14, 2017 01:06
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quote:Spotting occurs during any phase when a Company is within the unobstructed Spotting Range of an enemy company; each company determines spotting individually, but informs the entire brigade of what it has seen. quote:On the right of the map is the Chemin Creux, a sunken road. A company located on the Chemin Creux has spotting and protective cover. If an Entrenchment is dug inside the Chemin Creux, it gives additional protection, and blocks other units from moving along the road at their usual movement rate. quote:The sunken road offers the same protective cover as a trench; however, companies in the sunken road can spot other companies in the sunken road at unmodified spotting distance. A trench in the sunken road is more protective than a trench anywhere else, and you're back to trench spotting. With all three of these rules together, you aren't going to lose sight of them as long as they stick around. The front companies will spot for the support ones. There's not enough ACs to kill them all, and while I don't know exactly when in the firing ACs get their turn, the artillery at least should fire first.
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Mar 14, 2017 01:22
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Man after being sick for three days straight then seeing this I am nervous as hell to go into the rolls room as I am terribly afraid it is going to be an echo chamber of AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
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Mar 14, 2017 01:25
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Trin to clarify something, for cavalry to get the 16" move for being on the road the full brigade has to be on the road right, it can't say have one or two chits on the road, the rest spread out line abreast and still get the bonus. That correct?
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Mar 14, 2017 01:26
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He clarified in R20 and the ones on the road can move 16'' but they have to be explicitly set to do so.
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Mar 14, 2017 01:27
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so, do we have anybody here who defended a town with cavalry against a cavalry charge in the last round? or at least any one or two of those things? i'd love to hear some experience the MGs and AH are NOT going to move, that much is clear. i don't think i'm supposed to be ordering individual chits to do individual things. so that leaves the question - to charge, or not to charge? oh also, to dismount or not to dismount? is dismounting gonna be a really awesome thing where suddenly our cav are pouring rifle fire down, or will it be a really awesome thing where our cav get sabered to death while they're stuck in their stirrups? so, charging and, if not charging, dismounting. are those the two questions i have for my brigade? oh yeah, and what the gently caress should i do after the encounter with this brigade that just popped into view, i guess that's the bigger question
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Mar 14, 2017 01:58
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 Orders: 1 Cav Bde [IKA]: Gallant charge boys, keep up the pressure. Have your Bde continue combat then once the AC are dead or fled turn west for combat with the arriving BEF cavalry. Engage as best as you see fit (yellow). Once the BEF cavalry retreat move to occupy the SW corner of Tallis Douche to overwatch the Fords in case the AC come back (blue).  2 Cav Bde (Now commanded by OTF due to Sandman being AWOL): 1)Move the cavalry scattered about the town a max of 4'' to the western outskirts of Steth as originally ordered. (The 4'' is to keep the ability to rifle fire if the enemy bde moves into rifle range.) 2)For this move do not block the AH firing route and keep one Cav in contact with the northern MG and try not to block LoS to the east of said Cav unit so hopefully that MG can fire. 3)Once this move to the outskirts or as near as possible is complete check if the enemy Cav is within charge range of greater than 50% of our cavalry companies and if so charge them using the cavalry. 4)If the enemy is retreating they are to pursue to go after the enemy arse hortillery but stop before the Fords.  3 Bde [Mossyfisk] : Enter in combat formation along the southern road and proceed to Steth. If Steth has fallen retake the town but if not reinforce 1 Bde in Tallis Douche, prepare to assault over the southern Fords. Saros fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Mar 14, 2017 02:02
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oystertoadfish posted:so, do we have anybody here who defended a town with cavalry against a cavalry charge in the last round? or at least any one or two of those things? i'd love to hear some experience If you dismount that costs you half you move so you go from 12" move to 6", your cav units then become infantry for all intents and purposes, if you want your inf to shoot they then can only move half again and while inf have a move of 8" I think realistically means they could only move 3" and shoot this turn. If that is enough to get them out of the town and into the outskirts then great, if not then it comes down to will they get charged on the first turn of movement. If yes, then its not good except to throw up meatshields to protect the MGs and artillery. if no then they can move another 4" the next turn and shoot the brit cavalry. the big question in regards to charging is, will we be able to do the charging instead of being charged and will charging block our MGs and artillery from firing.
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Mar 14, 2017 02:04
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Guys please don't charge out of this amazing position. Just look at that end of turn pic. The MGs are situated perfectly. It's perfect. The enemy have the choice of running away or dying. Tell everyone in the city to go to defend and bring up 3bde.
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Mar 14, 2017 02:22
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We arent charging out willy nilly. The most likely scenario is: Turn +1) The enemy is currently >12''. They move 12'' to <12''. In the same turn we move to the outskirts and take firing positions but dont move far enough to lose the ability to rifle fire. We then Rifle/MG/AH fire upon them and gently caress them up good. Turn +2) Then the turn after the remnants charge (and get shot again) or our MG shoot them and then the Cav charges them messing up the few survivors. We then exploit to over-run the Arse Hortillery. Saros fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Mar 14, 2017 02:35
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koolkevz666 posted:If you dismount that costs you half you move so you go from 12" move to 6", your cav units then become infantry for all intents and purposes, if you want your inf to shoot they then can only move half again and while inf have a move of 8" I think realistically means they could only move 3" and shoot this turn. If that is enough to get them out of the town and into the outskirts then great, if not then it comes down to will they get charged on the first turn of movement. If yes, then its not good except to throw up meatshields to protect the MGs and artillery. if no then they can move another 4" the next turn and shoot the brit cavalry. thanks, i wasn't picturing any of that, that helps me understand the relevant mechanics. i'll plan to have the orders done tomorrow night. i'll keep chatting about it but i'm prepared to follow the current orders, obviously i feel like we should have the advantage defending in a town; i hope people post more about the mechanics so i can understand whether we do or not
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Mar 14, 2017 02:42
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aphid_licker posted:Guys please don't charge out of this amazing position. Just look at that end of turn pic. The MGs are situated perfectly. It's perfect. The enemy have the choice of running away or dying. Tell everyone in the city to go to defend and bring up 3bde. do you think the cavalry should be dismounted? so it's just infantry defending a town? do we have time? disclaimer, i'll follow the orders saros gives in the end, but i'm interested in this line of argument
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Mar 14, 2017 02:45
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oystertoadfish posted:do you think the cavalry should be dismounted? so it's just infantry defending a town? do we have time? If you dismount, then you can't cavalry charge but you will only be spotted at infantry range which is 4" unless you shoot. If you stay mounted then you can cavalry charge but you will be spotted at 8" unless you shoot. In any case any unit that shoots can be seen by anything up to 24" away.
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Mar 14, 2017 02:53
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NO DISMOUNTING. It would go against the whole idea of us counter-charging that brigade. Blut für den Blutgott! Edit: Also, keep in mind that should our attack succeed, we could always return to those defensive positions if we so chose. Flesnolk fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Mar 14, 2017 03:14
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Information:quote:Towns OK. Point one, all the rifle cav in town can't see out or fire out. Therefore you need to move them to the outskirts unless you want to sacrifice your support and fight them in the town. quote:This is halved for any unit which intends to use Rifle Fire on that turn. Units which move more than half their speed during a turn may not fire; MGs, Mortars, and Artillery may not fire if they have moved at all. Point 3, 2nd brigade in a defensive stance and your orders are subject to a command roll if you want to change them. This may cause a turn's delay , especially as your Div HQ is still moving. Point 4: Current (Sandman's) orders state that the combat companies are to charge anyone close enough and then return to the city. These are the orders that will happen until the change of orders gets through. Thoughts: I think the dismounting ship has sailed, although that's how I prefer to defend. Key now is to make sure as many units can fire on the enemy as possible. I leave it to the korps surveyors to decide if they are in charge range or not, but if they're not, or if they advance with rifle fire, we could plan on a counter-charge on turn 10, when they are already weakened.
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Mar 14, 2017 03:45
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if saros doesn't change his mind i'll draw up what he said - although if they do charge and our orders don't fire on turn 9 but do on turn 10, do we gently caress up our defense then? i buy that dismounting isn't going to work and if saros does change his mind for sure the whole 'people in the town can't see out' thing is worth noting. is there a defensive advantage to being an unspotted chit when somebody charges into your town? or do you just get killed? anyway i'll make a few maps in less than 24 hours does ikasuhito have to give orders, or is it just 'try to kill the cars before they kill you, then if you're still alive just sit there and defend the south of steth'?
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Mar 14, 2017 05:50
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mossyfisk posted:Good job on 1st and 2nd Brigade: getting into the town and ready for a charge without taking a single loss to what approximates a CORPS WORTH of British machine guns! Worst possible thing, at the best possible moment _driving blind into the charging range of freshly readied cavalry. The casualties seem to have followed initiative rolls rather than tactical advantage for one side.
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Mar 14, 2017 08:25
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At the moment I think we need to charge the British Cav because if we do not they will survive to charge us and slaughter all our exposed support weapons because of the way that they were set up. They should also not see us until they move too far to use rifle fire so a charge should go off without a hitch. Its also worth noting our Cav didn't cause a single AC casualty, the killing was done by our MG/AH.
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Mar 14, 2017 11:04
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oystertoadfish posted:
There is enough going on that it would be prudent for me to post some new orders. So I will in a bit.
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Mar 14, 2017 12:43
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Yeah, looks like we've got advantage, so I don't see why we shouldn't just run them all down. Can we move Cav1 to outskirts for the the shot and then countercharge out when they charge? Or is that the plan and I'm bad at reading? Edit: Also, is Cav3 going to take the north road when they get here, or is that more of a "We'll figure that out when they get here" thing?
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Mar 14, 2017 15:36
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That's basically the plan, we move to the outskirts and shoot them then either charge or get to shoot them again when they charge. [E] I have amended orders to give more preference to a charge if they move up. Saros fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Mar 14, 2017 16:16
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HQ update: DHQ is currently south of Ferme Chatte and will be hooked into the telephone network on Turn 15.
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Mar 14, 2017 16:17
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Capfalcon posted:Yeah, looks like we've got advantage, so I don't see why we shouldn't just run them all down. Can we move Cav1 to outskirts for the the shot and then countercharge out when they charge? Cav 3 will probably take the south road because it's faster, and because we don't know what's in the north road.
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Mar 14, 2017 17:44
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Flesnolk posted:Cav 3 will probably take the south road because it's faster, and because we don't know what's in the north road. Right, but shouldn't we try to find out what's there?
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Mar 14, 2017 18:32
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If there's nothing in there, we wasted time taking the slower route to reinforce the fight. If there is something in the north of CC, our cavalry won't see them until they've been ambushed and torn up.
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Mar 14, 2017 18:46
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There's two probable extra forces they might have right now - ambushers or something like a Construction Battalion. Given how carelessly they drove these two units forward, they would have thrown any other fast units forward as well. If they have a CB, I'd guess it's securing the fords or trenching up the northern woods. For ambushers nothing to do but drive forward and flush them out.
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Mar 14, 2017 18:53
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Yeah, have fun. We do that and we wouldn't still have a reinforcement brigade. Speaking of, mossyfisk, we need you to get your orders in. Ikasuhito, if you're gonna change orders at all, do it soon. OTF, let's just make sure your orders are official.
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Mar 14, 2017 21:12
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 Orders up! The jobs not quite done yet boys. All non support assets must continue the push until the ACs have been swept from the field. Our support should continue to do so.  Once that has been dealt with, we will take one of two paths. A) If enemy has been destroyed, Brigade should continue on to Taillis as planned and set up along the lines shown in the previous Taillis map as best they can. B) If the enemy Cav is still active Brigade should Charge to assist 2nd Brigade in destroying them. If we are still alive after all that we are to move on to Taillis as planned and set up along the lines shown in the previous Taillis map as best they can. Any support unit that cant fire on enemy cavalry during charge should move into the sunken road until they can get los on enemy. 
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Mar 15, 2017 00:56
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You might want to order support units who can't shoot the enemy cav to move into the sunken road until they can then to Tallis douche later.
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Mar 15, 2017 00:58
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For those we're still waiting on, remember that Trin runs the round tomorrow. We can't afford to dawdle like we did before phase 1.
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Mar 15, 2017 01:36
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Steinrokkan, don't forget you also have some mounted engineers entering the board on turn 12 per "engineers and entrenching" in this post.
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Mar 15, 2017 02:09
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Putting my orders together, but I have a fairly large issue. How do I know if we still hold Stethoscope? Can I ring up Saros and ask? Because we won't be in brigade to brigade contact while they're hidden in town. And I feel like ordering a charge into friendly troops might be a problem.
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Mar 15, 2017 02:29
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You just give orders to ride along the road into town with orders for the support weapons to stop and setup if they enter range of any enemy and for the cav to charge. You'll actually pass my position on the road in but I won't be hooked into the telephone network. IKA there are big problems with your wording, you don't specify the support units in a) should continue firing/stay stationary rather than start moving if we lose sight of the AC's and in b) there are no move limits so they may go wandering off down the sunken road and get killed. Im not trying to micromanage here but bde orders need to be precise guys! Saros fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Mar 15, 2017 02:35
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i'll have a draft up soon, i absolutely want it to go through tons of review before we consider it final
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Mar 15, 2017 02:44
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We don't have time for "tons of review" I think.
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Mar 15, 2017 02:48
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ok, so just like somebody who's played before reading it and posting at least one word about it thats all im hoping for
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Post it in the next couple of hours and I can have a look. But also use the example orders I linked a few pages back.
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