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Sudden question, but does Total War's DLC traditionally ever go on sale or just the base games? Want to figure out if I should wait before starting to pick up some of the races or not.
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Mar 14, 2017 01:26
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Panfilo posted:Goddamn Battle Pilgrims are holding their shields upside down, I just noticed this. I noticed it early on but I think this is actually a thing? Isn't that shield design supposed to help deflect blows to the side, instead of stopping them dead on the top of the shield and shocking the arm?
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Mar 14, 2017 01:30
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THIS IS WHY PEASANTS CANT HAVE NICE THINGS!
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Mordja posted:Sudden question, but does Total War's DLC traditionally ever go on sale or just the base games? Want to figure out if I should wait before starting to pick up some of the races or not. I think I've seen some DLC for the other TW games get a price reduction; couldn't tell you how long the time between release -> sale was.
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Mar 14, 2017 01:31
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I thought they are using swiped cavalry shields but because they are derpy peasants they don't know which end goes where.
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Mar 14, 2017 01:31
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Mordja posted:Sudden question, but does Total War's DLC traditionally ever go on sale or just the base games? Want to figure out if I should wait before starting to pick up some of the races or not. The DLC generally gets discounted whenever the main game does, but new content stays at full price for a while. The main packs for TW:W will hopefully get a good discount in this year's summer steam sale, and definitely in the winter sale.
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Mar 14, 2017 01:37
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I was wondering how hard/easy it would be to mod in a shadow of the horned rat style experience. Lower unit counts, make the campaign map larger, set it in the border princes. Start with a generic 'mercenary' human lord that can either stick to empirish stuff or fall to chaos and get a mark. Fight armies of chaos rebels, undead necromancers, greenskin warbands, dwarf wayfarers/outcasts etc. Focus on defending a single province (I mean like 3 connected territories). A little more of a evolving narrative crusader kings style. Units are named and ranking up does bigger things. So instead of Swordsman it's 'Ricthers Glorius Fighting Companions' and they have their own little hero trees.
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Mar 14, 2017 01:51
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Phrosphor posted:I was wondering how hard/easy it would be to mod in a shadow of the horned rat style experience. Lower unit counts, make the campaign map larger, set it in the border princes. Start with a generic 'mercenary' human lord that can either stick to empirish stuff or fall to chaos and get a mark. Fight armies of chaos rebels, undead necromancers, greenskin warbands, dwarf wayfarers/outcasts etc. Focus on defending a single province (I mean like 3 connected territories). A little more of a evolving narrative crusader kings style. Units are named and ranking up does bigger things. So instead of Swordsman it's 'Ricthers Glorius Fighting Companions' and they have their own little hero trees. Just based on the fact we haven't yet seen any custom campaign maps, mods to change experience, mods opening up access to other race's units I'd say it was somewhere between impossible and not possible. Sounds more like a Mod to Mount & Blade, honestly. The WHFB mod for Mount & Blade already rules, though.
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Mar 14, 2017 02:01
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Now that Bretonnia has been out for a couple of weeks has there been any hints on when the last DLC/TWW 2 will be dropping?
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Mar 14, 2017 02:11
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Phrosphor posted:I noticed it early on but I think this is actually a thing? Isn't that shield design supposed to help deflect blows to the side, instead of stopping them dead on the top of the shield and shocking the arm? It's because they're obviously religious accoutrements, not shields, that's crazy. Peasants aren't technically allowed to bear knightly arms, but most of them aren't technically allowed to travel freely either. Grail Pilgrims get around it by being on permanent religious pilgrimage and also crazy.
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Mar 14, 2017 02:17
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Bretonnia's distrust of firearms on the field of battle also has an amusingly simple root cause, or at least it did in one army book I read: so a century or so back, a Grail Knight decided he would saunter down to the Empire and seek out their greatest champion to duel and demonstrate Bretonnia's superiority. Said champion accepted, and the moment the Grail Knight guy drew his sword the Imperial drew a pistol and shot the knight in the face. Bretonnia promptly outlawed firearms as cowardly, unchivalrous weapons.
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Mar 14, 2017 02:22
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wiegieman posted:It's because they're obviously religious accoutrements, not shields, that's crazy. Peasants aren't technically allowed to bear knightly arms, but most of them aren't technically allowed to travel freely either. Grail Pilgrims get around it by being on permanent religious pilgrimage and also crazy. This is how all of Bretonnian society works and is the best part of it. "I'm not paying taxes besides the 9/10th of my agricultural produce, mi'lord, but here are all these 'gifts' from my mercantile side business and I am totally still a farmer, are we clear?" "I'm just cleanshaven and boyishly handsome. Ignore the high pitched voice." "We are clearly just pilgrims and not a band of roving murderhobos."
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Mar 14, 2017 02:25
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They should have gone full Pratchett with that peasant story and had it so that every time he invented something new, his master would mutilate him in some way out of jealousy and wanting to prevent him from building anything for his rivals.
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Mar 14, 2017 02:32
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I think one thing that really hasn't really been properly developed in the game yet is the influence of the Chaos Gods, especially on the human factions. They should be more of an insidious threat, especially in the terms of Nurgle, Slaanesh and Tzeentch but even Khorne can be subtle (for outlying definitions of subtle). Say a captain is having to defend his hometown with just a unit of militia and he makes a desperate prayer for aid to any god that would help him to save his people, there is a decent chance Khorne might take a listen. If there is a good enough fight and the captain does enough killing then he could end up with a boon without even realising what path he is setting down. It is the downfall of many a hero in the universe that if you make a desperate enough prayer something is going to listen. It is honestly something I wish the stories explored more, because it is an interesting concept to consider. And if that unwitting khorneish champion continues to win and kill over an over again, do you really want to get rid of him? The more he wins the more favors he gets from the God of Slaughter, and that is a pretty great thing to have if you are fending off waves of orcish aggression or whatever. As long as he keeps having something to fight that is, as soon as he beats the orcs suddenly you have a berserker champion turning back on the city he was defending. It's why Witch Hunters don't just hunt down hedge wizards and the like. They look for corruption and heresy that could lead to this, and there is enough of it that Witch Hunters are a big deal in the society. A big aspect of Chaos in the Warhammer universe is not only the aggressive, in your face side of it, but the slowly growing cancer that leads to 'Oh poo poo those cultists just exploded into pus demons and they are slaughtering the city guard, maybe we should have looked into that snake oil salesmen a little more carefully'. I think having Chaos waxing and waning inside your empire a little more could provide an extra angle to the game. They kind of started something with the chaos corruption mechanic but it needs ways to grow that aren't just agent actions, and the agent actions need to be scarier. And don't forget the Chaos Gods Hate each other. There is a great boardgame that explores this called Chaos in the Old World, where each player is one of the gods and you basically screw each other over trying to destroy the empire. You do Not want a chaos sorcerer in Altdorf telling the locals how great Slaanesh worship is. Phrosphor fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Mar 14, 2017 02:48
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Chaos daemons are a faction in the future, so it'd come up there if anywhere.
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Mar 14, 2017 03:00
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Just finished up a long campaign as the Von Carstein faction of Vampire Counts. It was a long, grueling campaign that involved the undead saving the world from Chaos, only to get war declared on by almost every surviving faction in a shameless display of ingratitude! My conclusion: Vampire Counts make KICK rear end SCREENS.       
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Round 1: Dtkozl vs ChickenWing outcome: 2-0 ChickenWing Round 1 - VC vs Empire: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/65842159/dtkozlvchickenw1.replay - I was basically on autopilot for most of this match while I tried futilely to micro karl/light wizard/templehof luminark. Luminark got off like 2 shots becuase I'm really loving bad  Round 2 - Brettonia vs Dwarfs: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/65842159/dtkozlvchickenw2.replay - loving Ramirez. Also I forgot about my Runelord until the battle was basically already won  I had a much better effortpost but then I refreshed my page and munched it because I am A Bad. e: please critique these, I'm bad and want to be less so ChickenWing fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Mar 14, 2017 03:13
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In your first match I'd have spaced out your troops a bit more, it was an overly tight formation. I'd also check what spells the VC general has brought and watch out for Wind of Death. Guy brought a auto-gen army for the second match so whatever.
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Mar 14, 2017 03:48
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How do you guys find multiplayer battles?
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I feel like whatever jankiness that the auto resolve had before they patched it is what dwarves vs greenskins was balanced around at release, usually greenskins and dwarves would be 50/50 on who won the badlands, now every single game for me the greenskins are holding onto scattered territory with 1 low fightiness army by turn <40 and the dwarves own everything with 3+ full stacks with plenty of renown units. Sucks for any faction that hates the dwarves and is a huge boon to any faction looking for dwarvey allies.
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Mar 14, 2017 06:23
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NovemberMike posted:How do you guys find multiplayer battles? There's a goon tournament going on right now that's halfway through, not sure when there'll be a new one. I'd recommend using the multiplayer lobby list, join or host a game there. Wins and losses from the multiplayer list aren't ranked like quick battle so you'll probably get less jerks that way, though no guarantees. Once you get the hang of it then you can start doing quick battle if you want. Or you can join the warhammer fight club discord: https://discord.gg/gjDJUpQ There's usually people looking to practice in the discord lately because of the tournament. Trujillo fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Mar 14, 2017 06:30
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:I feel like whatever jankiness that the auto resolve had before they patched it is what dwarves vs greenskins was balanced around at release, usually greenskins and dwarves would be 50/50 on who won the badlands, now every single game for me the greenskins are holding onto scattered territory with 1 low fightiness army by turn <40 and the dwarves own everything with 3+ full stacks with plenty of renown units. Dwarves are the worst AI faction to fight, they always have like 5 artillery pieces and corner camp to gently caress. Tremendously unenjoyable Greenskins are usually pretty fun, if a bit easy to beat. The AI just doesn't produce the number necessary to compete
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Trujillo posted:There's a goon tournament going on right now that's halfway through, not sure when there'll be a new one. I'd recommend using the multiplayer lobby list, join or host a game there. Wins and losses from the multiplayer list aren't ranked like quick battle so you'll probably get less jerks that way, though no guarantees. Once you get the hang of it then you can start doing quick battle if you want. Your discord invite link isn't working for me.
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Ammanas posted:Dwarves are the worst AI faction to fight, they always have like 5 artillery pieces and corner camp to gently caress. Tremendously unenjoyable Lore-friendly and tabletop accurate though.
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Mar 14, 2017 07:47
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I wonder how the other factions will end up playing on the battle map. Some thoughts: Ogres: Bowling Ball of death. They have one tactic and it is charge. Horrendously vulnerable to slayers and other anti-monster. Tomb Kings: Vampire counts with no chaff, excellent frontline and good ranged. Lizardmen: Tricky, probably a solid core with good flankers and magic that's actually worth a drat. Lacking in artillery though. High Elves: Oddly like chaos with no marauders and fewer monsters: Really good in every corner save monsters, really expensive, probably too expensive to make them viable in multiplayer. Dark elves: Kind of like wood elves, micro-intensive, very fast, high damage but poo poo ability to take a hit. Excellent selection of monsters though. Chaos Dwarves: Greenskin hordes to act as chaff and flankers, chaos dwarves frontline with amazing ranged and utterly immovable defense. Massive, massive selection of artillery. Skaven: Clanrat chaff that puts vampire counts to shame. Friendly fire is going to happen no matter what. Amazing if unreliable war machines and special tactics that are as likely to rout your own side as win you the day. Daemons of Chaos: I have no clue. They're gonna be either OP as hell or utter trash.
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Mar 14, 2017 08:07
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Daemons will have a less lethal crumbling mechanic and a universal Ward save, and then a whole ton of absolutely bonkers units. Super tough plaguebearer blocks, living Khornate cannon chariot, etc.
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Phrosphor posted:I was wondering how hard/easy it would be to mod in a shadow of the horned rat style experience. Lower unit counts, make the campaign map larger, set it in the border princes. Start with a generic 'mercenary' human lord that can either stick to empirish stuff or fall to chaos and get a mark. Fight armies of chaos rebels, undead necromancers, greenskin warbands, dwarf wayfarers/outcasts etc. Focus on defending a single province (I mean like 3 connected territories). A little more of a evolving narrative crusader kings style. Units are named and ranking up does bigger things. So instead of Swordsman it's 'Ricthers Glorius Fighting Companions' and they have their own little hero trees. Some of this is possible and some of it even easy but a bunch of it isn't possible thus far and the amount of collected work you laid out is nearly equivalent to remaking a large portion of the game with essentially half the tools and far less people than CA itself has. Short answer = not anytime soon
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Mar 14, 2017 08:17
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People who know modding: how hard would it be to edit the intro cinematics and/or the advisor ingame audio and text? I have... ideas.
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Mar 14, 2017 08:26
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Night10194 posted:This is how all of Bretonnian society works and is the best part of it. "I'm not paying taxes besides the 9/10th of my agricultural produce, mi'lord, but here are all these 'gifts' from my mercantile side business and I am totally still a farmer, are we clear?" So how do they get around the 'illegal to educate Peasants' bit so that a merchant class can form and sell/make things? Honest question. It stumps me, but I'm not smart.
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Mar 14, 2017 08:39
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Bloodly posted:So how do they get around the 'illegal to educate Peasants' bit so that a merchant class can form and sell/make things? Honest question. It stumps me, but I'm not smart. Disgraced Nobility?
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Mar 14, 2017 08:43
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Blinks77 posted:Disgraced Nobility? laws honored more in breach than practice, from what I understand.
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Merchants are an exception in Bretonnian society. Most are peasants, and many are richer than nobles. But because Bretonnia's strict tax laws that keep peasants dirt poor were written with respect to agricultural proceeds, merchants end up as rich peasants who're not obligated to pay a lot in taxes. But they're still dirty loving peasants according to law, so in the end they make generous "donations" to their noble lords to stay in business and keep the peace, which ensures the nobles are content with the laws as they are and that the merchants have only good intentions. Thus, trade possible where otherwise crazy-high taxes would put all traders out of business. In practice then their social class is something above peasant, below noble, not recognized by law, but necessary for an economy to flourish.
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Thinking of some way to make greenskins better on the campaign would probably be a way to buff raiding and global recruitment, heres my idea. - +1 global recruitment slot from a level 4 and above city. - No extra turns to recruit units globally, cash cost stays the same. - Raiding in foreign territory owned by a faction(not ruins) reduces army upkeep by 50-75% Those seem like they could help their campaign and fits thematically with the whole raiding and numbers thing. Would the last two ideas be easy to implement as mods or is there no way to make raiding stance only reduce upkeep in foreign territory or change global recruitment turns for only one faction?
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Cythereal posted:Bretonnia's distrust of firearms on the field of battle also has an amusingly simple root cause, or at least it did in one army book I read: so a century or so back, a Grail Knight decided he would saunter down to the Empire and seek out their greatest champion to duel and demonstrate Bretonnia's superiority. Said champion accepted, and the moment the Grail Knight guy drew his sword the Imperial drew a pistol and shot the knight in the face. One of my favourite WHFB moments was from a novel where there's this huge bloody battle going on between the Empire and Chaos Warriors. The Chaos Warriors have been forced to cross a river to fight the Empire, and the Empire General has arranged all his spearman on the river bank just stabbing down into the Warriors as they emerge from the river turning it into a killing zone. The Chaos Champion decides to do something about this so he breaks through the line with a group of chaos Knights and heads for the General who is on a hill watching the battle from a far. The General staff is like "Uhh Sir? Shall we flee?" and the General just tells them to send in some spearmen. So the Knights kill these spearmen and continue towards the General. So he sends in some more. This happens like twice more. In the end all the Knights are dead and the chaos champion is beaten and bloody with rends in their armour and stuff, but they reach the hill in front of the general and bellow a challenge. The General just looks at him and says something like "Hmm, good show", then draws a pistol and shoots the campion dead.
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Mar 14, 2017 09:40
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Kitchner posted:One of my favourite WHFB moments was from a novel where there's this huge bloody battle going on between the Empire and Chaos Warriors. The Chaos Warriors have been forced to cross a river to fight the Empire, and the Empire General has arranged all his spearman on the river bank just stabbing down into the Warriors as they emerge from the river turning it into a killing zone. You know, this just makes me think: Why is there no chaos unit with guns? They buy artillery from the Chaos Dwarfs easy enough. Use them for maintenance and ammunition, ect. So why not a regiment of chosen handcannoneers?
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Mar 14, 2017 10:44
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Ammanas posted:Dwarves are the worst AI faction to fight, they always have like 5 artillery pieces and corner camp to gently caress. Tremendously unenjoyable Play as Vlad and just spawn all your poo poo in their grill or play Brets and charge 18 stacks of knights directly at them FOR GREAT HONOUR.
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Mar 14, 2017 11:04
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NewMars posted:You know, this just makes me think: Why is there no chaos unit with guns? They buy artillery from the Chaos Dwarfs easy enough. Use them for maintenance and ammunition, ect. So why not a regiment of chosen handcannoneers? Just a guess, but Chaos guys are probably too corrupted or insane to maintain and use firearms.
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Where's the fun in shooting a guy when you can hit him with a huge sword instead?
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