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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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So hyped to see what his new 'grassroots' movement will be about. e: 1971 - The Angry Brigade, the last left-wing radical terrorist organization in the UK, bombs some employment offices. The radio receiver licence is abolished and currency is decimalized. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Pochoclo posted:It's funny though, I'm almost certain that if the European court had allowed employers to ban headscarves a couple days -before- the referendum, Remain would have won. I mean just look at the Mail comments and such - "finally the EU starts listening to what people want". Disgusting. Ah but then it would be Looney EU Bans Good British Employees from wearing Crosses
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Mar 14, 2017 12:57
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learnincurve posted:Why do people assume people voted to leave because of racism? I'm sick of the London based media portraying the majority of the country as being ignorant racists because they want to leave Europe. Your average racist is fully aware that Asia isn't in Europe and that won't make any difference to immigration from those countries. If you want a more accurate stereotype then try " being sick of the UK paying in to prop up Eastern European countries who don't contribute poo poo" Source your quotes
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Mar 14, 2017 12:59
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learnincurve posted:Why do people assume people voted to leave because of racism? I'm sick of the London based media portraying the majority of the country as being ignorant racists because they want to leave Europe. Your average racist is fully aware that Asia isn't in Europe and that won't make any difference to immigration from those countries. If you want a more accurate stereotype then try " being sick of the UK paying in to prop up Eastern European countries who don't contribute poo poo" Source your quotes please. - the London Elite
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Mar 14, 2017 12:59
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Also the ECJ ruling could be read to allow a ban on employees wearing the Poppy which would lead to some hilarious headlines
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Mar 14, 2017 13:01
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I'm sure hundreds of leave voters weren't racist.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:01
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Pochoclo posted:I have to say, in all my life, you two are the first people I ever find that don't like Queen. Maybe brits are more likely to not like them? Prophets in their own land and all that. I don't like the queen either, don't like any royals. Except the current swedish king, he's cool.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:02
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learnincurve posted:Why do people assume people voted to leave because of racism? I'm sick of the London based media portraying the majority of the country as being ignorant racists because they want to leave Europe. Your average racist is fully aware that Asia isn't in Europe and that won't make any difference to immigration from those countries. If you want a more accurate stereotype then try " being sick of the UK paying in to prop up Eastern European countries who don't contribute poo poo" You've got this wrong on several counts: 1) A majority of the country did not vote to leave, just a majority of votes cast. 2) They are not racist because they want to leave Europe, they want to leave Europe because they are racist. 3) They'll happily get rid of all the non-European migrants too. 4) I don't live in London and this is what real Brexiters tend to be like. 5) If they're just sick of "propping up Eastern European countries" then why are they all so ignorant about how much the EU costs and what it spends its money on?
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Mar 14, 2017 13:02
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There are three types of Leave voters: Racists Idiots Racist idiots.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:03
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Guavanaut posted:So hyped to see what his new 'grassroots' movement will be about. 
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Mar 14, 2017 13:03
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His Divine Shadow posted:I don't like the queen either, don't like any royals. Except the current swedish king, he's cool. The post was about Queen the band. I utterly despise royalty and the concept of monarchy beyond words.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:04
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Pochoclo posted:The post was about Queen the band. I like the queen.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:04
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Pochoclo posted:The post was about Queen the band. That's what you get for living by tl;dr
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Mar 14, 2017 13:05
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Why are people in this thread unable to tell the difference between xenophobia and racism?
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Mar 14, 2017 13:07
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learnincurve posted:Why are people in this thread unable to tell the difference between xenophobia and racism? racism is less letters to type
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Mar 14, 2017 13:08
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learnincurve posted:Why are people in this thread unable to tell the difference between xenophobia and racism? We only like nuance when it suits us.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:08
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jBrereton posted:tfw your life's work goes unrecognised  ) to left and right wing groups when they're doing the stats. The UK has always been much lower than Southern Europe for left wing terrorism. bitterandtwisted posted:I'm sure hundreds of leave voters weren't racist. If the EU had doubled down on headscarves and burkinis in the run up it might have scared them back to leave, while doing nothing to get the people voting out because 'they're all foreign' to vote Remain.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:11
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I'm pretty sure that if you like Australians and Canadians, but hate people of arabic ethnicity, indians and the Polish, you're drat racist.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:12
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You can simplify that statement a lot and still have it accurate.Pochoclo posted:I'm pretty sure that if you like Australians you're drat racist.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:15
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Ask Canada about the First Nations too!
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Mar 14, 2017 13:19
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”It is often said that Her Majesty is the golden thread that binds our nation together, and the key part of that phrase is the word “golden”. Her Majesty is not the cotton thread, or the silver thread, or the woollen thread, she is a golden thread that binds the nation together..."
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Mar 14, 2017 13:29
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SWL argues that Brexit changes the economic situation for indyref 2 substantially. https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/brexit-makes-economics-of-scottish.html
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Mar 14, 2017 13:30
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hakimashou posted:”It is often said that Her Majesty is the golden thread that binds our nation together, and the key part of that phrase is the word “golden”. Her Majesty is not the cotton thread, or the silver thread, or the woollen thread, she is a golden thread that binds the nation together..."
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Mar 14, 2017 13:31
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Guavanaut posted:Highly expensive, limited industrial uses, mostly valued for cultural reasons, but generally hypoallergenic and corrosion resistant? Also a good conductor for electricity.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:36
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It's really easy to sit there and say that 53.4% of the population of England are racist and just dismiss it as that. Reality is that the vast majority of people outside of the capital don't want to be in the EU, and that the vast majority of people outside of London are not in fact racist. Implying that they are and dismissing everyone outside of London's opinions as worthless makes you look like a bit of a smug tit, and is the attitude that in part lead to the Brexit vote in the first place.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:36
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Fangz posted:SWL argues that Brexit changes the economic situation for indyref 2 substantially. We've been having a lot of fun in the Scottish thread discussing how, while leaving the common market will be bad for UK trade, the uk market is much more important for Scotland than the EU, so being on the wrong side of the EU trade barrier would be even worse. I don't know who SWL is but I'm not impressed with this analysis as he's out of date or simply wrong on several issues.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:38
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Oh dear me posted:I'd rather we stopped talking as though we had a presidential system. May was elected as MP by her constituents and as party leader by her party, just like every other PM. Well, by the MPs of her party, at least.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:40
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Fangz posted:SWL argues that Brexit changes the economic situation for indyref 2 substantially. gently caress does this guy think that going from a nearly 10% budget deficit (without even considering Barnett) to an enforced surplus to have the privilege of using the Euro is going to do to public spending and average incomes in an independent Scotland by 2030?
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Mar 14, 2017 13:44
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TinTower posted:Ping-pong is theoretically infinite. The government would have to wait for a new session of Parliament. In addition to everyone else pointing out you don't know how the gently caress our constitution works and/or have time travelled from 1910, you realise the government could do exactly what it threatened to do back then and get the Queen to appoint as many pro-Brexit Lords as are necessary to vote things through? You may want to read a GCSE History textbook, just saying.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:45
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learnincurve posted:It's really easy to sit there and say that 53.4% of the population of England are racist and just dismiss it as that. Reality is that the vast majority of people outside of the capital don't want to be in the EU, and that the vast majority of people outside of London are not in fact racist. Implying that they are and dismissing everyone outside of London's opinions as worthless makes you look like a bit of a smug tit, and is the attitude that in part lead to the Brexit vote in the first place. Would you prefer if we called these people idiots instead? Because Brexit is undeniably idiotic, and in their attempt to "Make Britain Great Again" they've pulled the trigger on the gun pointed at their head, and may lead to the break up of the union.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:49
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learnincurve posted:It's really easy to sit there and say that 53.4% of the population of England are racist and just dismiss it as that. Reality is that the vast majority of people outside of the capital don't want to be in the EU, and that the vast majority of people outside of London are not in fact racist. Implying that they are and dismissing everyone outside of London's opinions as worthless makes you look like a bit of a smug tit, and is the attitude that in part lead to the Brexit vote in the first place. 1. Even the voting population didn't constitute a "vast majority". Less than half of the country overall voted for Brexit, so that's not a majority of any sort. 2. A lot of Londoners are also racist. Most people are racist. I think you'd have a really hard time finding anyone who isn't. Being racist is a compounding issue; being ignorant enough to act on prejudice instead of going "That's a bit racist, isn't it?" and trying harder is the root cause. And most people who voted for brexit are indeed ignorant, which you can tell because they believed that Brexit constituted a binding NHS pledge and that immigration has no positive effects. A lot of remain voters also believe this, to be clear, they're just more scared of the economy exploding after we leave the EU, as, again, most of London is also ignorant. 3. Everywhere outside of London. Except Bristol. And Manchester. And the entirety of Scotland. I will also note, funnily enough, that many of the places voting remain were the places with more migrants, almost like, having actually met muslims and romanians, most people decide they're not actually devilspawn.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:50
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The big problem you/remainers have is that in the average northern town, people's lives were completely unaffected by the drop in the value of the pound. Stuff like white goods and televisions are still the same price in Argos, wilcos haven't raised prices, market stalls haven't increased the prices on fruit and veg, milk is still being priced artificially low, rents haven't gone up, there hasn't been a mass exodus of employers from the UK. What is it, one bank pulled out and it turned out that 99% of their employees were European? The predicted economic cataclysm has in fact, not happened.
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Pissflaps posted:I don't know who SWL is but I'm not impressed with this analysis as he's out of date or simply wrong on several issues.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:58
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Those were things that were predicted to happen post-Brexit. Brexit hasn't happened yet.
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learnincurve posted:The big problem you/remainers have is that in the average northern town, people's lives were completely unaffected by the drop in the value of the pound. Stuff like white goods and televisions are still the same price in Argos, wilcos haven't raised prices, market stalls haven't increased the prices on fruit and veg, milk is still being priced artificially low, rents haven't gone up, there hasn't been a mass exodus of employers from the UK. What is it, one bank pulled out and it turned out that 99% of their employees were European? The predicted economic cataclysm has in fact, not happened. This isn't a problem for this Remainer. I want to be proved wrong about Brexit. I want it to be a success.
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Mar 14, 2017 13:59
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learnincurve posted:The big problem you/remainers have is that in the average northern town, people's lives were completely unaffected by the drop in the value of the pound. Stuff like white goods and televisions are still the same price in Argos, wilcos haven't raised prices, market stalls haven't increased the prices on fruit and veg, milk is still being priced artificially low, rents haven't gone up, there hasn't been a mass exodus of employers from the UK. What is it, one bank pulled out and it turned out that 99% of their employees were European? The predicted economic cataclysm has in fact, not happened. yet
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Mar 14, 2017 14:00
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Hello I live in Scotland but am against the UK leaving the EU, how much is that opinion worth on a scale of Smug London Elite to Xenophobic Non-Racist Northerner?
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Mar 14, 2017 14:07
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learnincurve posted:The big problem you/remainers have is that in the average northern town, people's lives were completely unaffected by the drop in the value of the pound. Stuff like white goods and televisions are still the same price in Argos, wilcos haven't raised prices, market stalls haven't increased the prices on fruit and veg, milk is still being priced artificially low, rents haven't gone up, there hasn't been a mass exodus of employers from the UK. What is it, one bank pulled out and it turned out that 99% of their employees were European? The predicted economic cataclysm has in fact, not happened. Gentle reminder: Brexit hasn't happened yet Also inflation has increased thanks to the falling value of the pound, so your line about prices increasing isn't even true anyway.
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feedmegin posted:In addition to everyone else pointing out you don't know how the gently caress our constitution works and/or have time travelled from 1910, you realise the government could do exactly what it threatened to do back then and get the Queen to appoint as many pro-Brexit Lords as are necessary to vote things through? You may want to read a GCSE History textbook, just saying. Every government since Lloyd George has threatened to pack the Lords. Neither has done so because using the Parliament Act has sufficed. Also, if you travelled back to 1910, you'd realise that King Edward refused to appoint new Liberal peers unless the Lords voted down a Parliament Bill that was a clear part of their election manifesto.
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learnincurve posted:The big problem you/remainers have is that in the average northern town, people's lives were completely unaffected by the drop in the value of the pound. Stuff like white goods and televisions are still the same price in Argos, wilcos haven't raised prices, market stalls haven't increased the prices on fruit and veg, milk is still being priced artificially low, rents haven't gone up, there hasn't been a mass exodus of employers from the UK. What is it, one bank pulled out and it turned out that 99% of their employees were European? The predicted economic cataclysm has in fact, not happened.
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