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You know, it really bugs me how both Republicans and Democrats usually only talk about the middle class and comparatively rarely mention the poor. I imagine a big part of it is related to how most Americans consider themselves middle class*, but it still bugs me, since it seems like a morally obvious conclusion that the highest priority should be the help the poor. It also bugs me how something like 60k/yr is often consider a representative middle class salary. That is significantly higher than the median individual income, which is only like 35k or something IIRC. * I wonder how this is on the lower end of the spectrum. I know that many people who make six figures consider themselves middle class, but are there a bunch of people making like $20k who also consider themselves middle class?
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Mar 14, 2017 01:56
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HappyHippo posted:This explanation wouldn't even fit in a tweet there's no way it gains any traction. AHCA would save $33 bln a year -- less than the $54 bln DoD spending increase Trump wants. More money for bombs, no money for health care. #hashtag
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Mar 14, 2017 02:22
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Ytlaya posted:You know, it really bugs me how both Republicans and Democrats usually only talk about the middle class and comparatively rarely mention the poor. I imagine a big part of it is related to how most Americans consider themselves middle class*, but it still bugs me, since it seems like a morally obvious conclusion that the highest priority should be the help the poor. Yeah the middle class identity is pretty idealized, just about anybody who doesn't require government assistance is going to start asserting their middle class status. A lot of the poorest working class can't vote anyway, either because they're immigrants or were disenfranchised for committing a felony, and those that can do so in much lower numbers than those with higher incomes, so it's not surprising just about every policy is marketed as good for the middle class regardless of its actual impact.
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Mar 14, 2017 03:08
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Arglebargle III posted:AHCA would save $33 bln a year -- less than the $54 bln DoD spending increase Trump wants. More money for bombs, no money for health care. #hashtag Well the other problem here is that Republicans would gladly take grandma's health insurance away to buy more bombs.
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Mar 14, 2017 03:10
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awesmoe posted:yes this. If i want propoganda I'll go somewhere else (cspam probably)  Arglebargle III posted:AHCA would save $33 bln a year -- less than the $54 bln DoD spending increase Trump wants. More money for bombs, no money for health care. #hashtag Also, it's TigerBeat, but... http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamacare-uninsured-white-house-236019 posted:The White House's own internal analysis of the GOP plan to repeal and replace Obamacare show even steeper coverage losses than the projections by the Congressional Budget Office, according to a document viewed by POLITICO on Monday.
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Mar 14, 2017 03:12
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Ytlaya posted:* I wonder how this is on the lower end of the spectrum. I know that many people who make six figures consider themselves middle class, but are there a bunch of people making like $20k who also consider themselves middle class? 
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Mar 14, 2017 03:13
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Paracaidas posted:
this is probably another one of those "it turns out you need to actually appoint people to all of the political appointee positions to actually control the agency" hilarious trumpian incompetence stories, they assumed because they appointed the head it would tell them what they wanted to hear, but everyone below the single trump appointee actually did the math honestly (and then promptly leaked it so they couldn't bury it) 
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Mar 14, 2017 03:15
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Paracaidas posted:Also, it's TigerBeat, but... I need to remember that nickname for Politico, it's spot on.
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Mar 14, 2017 03:23
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Ugh, if this poo poo passes I'm sure they'll end up kicking my 93 year old grandma out of her care home. She's on medicaid and it's already incredibly restrictive about how much money/assets she can have (literally none, they take it all), and she has COPD and all kinds of other health issues and is on oxygen. UGHHH
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Mar 14, 2017 03:59
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It's always a great sign when your teams talking points alternate between 1) The cbo report is completely wrong and inaccurate 2) actually the outcome the cbo describes is a good thing because... I wonder how long until Trump senses the winds have turned and throws Paul Ryan under the bus.
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Mar 14, 2017 15:03
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Subvisual Haze posted:It's always a great sign when your teams talking points alternate between 1) The cbo report is completely wrong and inaccurate 2) actually the outcome the cbo describes is a good thing because... Trump already came out in support of the bill, so there is no retreat. As soon as a journalist frames the question in a way that suggests defeat, he will triple down, and before you know it Tom Cotton will be calling it the gold standard of healthcare bills. It's funny that the GOP's first order of business was to take take their total control of Washington and put it back up for grabs in 2018.
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Mar 14, 2017 15:10
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TyrantWD posted:Trump already came out in support of the bill, so there is no retreat. As soon as a journalist frames the question in a way that suggests defeat, he will triple down, and before you know it Tom Cotton will be calling it the gold standard of healthcare bills. will he really though I mean he claimed that he appointed Bannon to the NSC cuz he didn't read the documents he was signing maybe he'll just say someone lied to him about what was in the bill
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Mar 14, 2017 15:23
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TyrantWD posted:Trump already came out in support of the bill, so there is no retreat. As soon as a journalist frames the question in a way that suggests defeat, he will triple down, and before you know it Tom Cotton will be calling it the gold standard of healthcare bills. He has also said, repeatedly, "we're doing the democrats a favor by repealing the law before it collapses next year we could easily do nothing but we're just too nice!!!!!" so he's already laying the groundwork to leave Ryan holding the bag.
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Mar 14, 2017 15:24
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Does anyone other than Ryan actually like this bill? Seems like literally all its support is "well we gotta do something cause we said we would"
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Mar 14, 2017 15:50
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HappyHippo posted:Does anyone other than Ryan actually like this bill? Seems like literally all its support is "well we gotta do something cause we said we would" Well, presumably it makes some people very wealthy.
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Mar 14, 2017 15:56
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HappyHippo posted:Does anyone other than Ryan actually like this bill? Seems like literally all its support is "well we gotta do something cause we said we would" The people recieving those massive tax cuts, who all make over $200k (single) or $250k (couple).
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Mar 14, 2017 16:03
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evilweasel posted:He has also said, repeatedly, "we're doing the democrats a favor by repealing the law before it collapses next year we could easily do nothing but we're just too nice!!!!!" so he's already laying the groundwork to leave Ryan holding the bag. oh hey quote:“The President gave Ryan a chance,” one unnamed source "close to the President" told the publication. “If he doesn’t get his act together soon, the President will have no choice but to step in and fix this on his own. He’s the best negotiator on the planet, and if this were his bill not Ryan’s it would not be this much of a mess.” http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/breitbart-leaks-ryan-call-house-october (i bet that source is Trump himself)
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Mar 14, 2017 16:22
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the best negotiator on the planet. Quite the cult of personality you've got there, Mr President. Shame if something happened to it.
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Mar 14, 2017 16:30
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The source is John Miller, who looks suspiciously like Trump but wearing Groucho Marx glasses. Could it be...? Nahhhhh.
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Mar 14, 2017 16:33
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evilweasel posted:oh hey Steve, tell them that I gave Ryan a chance and furthermore
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Mar 14, 2017 16:35
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Homer is the head safety inspector at a nuclear power plant. There's no way he makes less than $130k/year.
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Mar 14, 2017 16:44
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FuturePastNow posted:Homer is the head safety inspector at a nuclear power plant. There's no way he makes less than $130k/year. He's Safety Inspector of Sector 7G (Not the whole plant), started out without a college degree, and had to grovel to get the job. In the early seasons especially, it's pretty clearly shown that the family makes enough to get by, but not much more than that.* *(subject to whatever plot the writers came up with)
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Mar 14, 2017 16:53
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evilweasel posted:oh hey This is a good thing.
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Mar 14, 2017 16:59
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FuturePastNow posted:Homer is the head safety inspector at a nuclear power plant. There's no way he makes less than $130k/year. Homer would be getting Obamacare subsidies with his 3 kids, but would have a dramatically decreased subsidy under the AHCA. 
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Mar 14, 2017 17:01
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FuturePastNow posted:Homer is the head safety inspector at a nuclear power plant. There's no way he makes less than $130k/year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rsk1quUps0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGui_ofbdlk
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Mar 14, 2017 17:06
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Twerk from Home posted:Homer would be getting Obamacare subsidies with his 3 kids, but would have a dramatically decreased subsidy under the AHCA. Yeah, but what year was this? Looks like he makes roughly 10.50/hr before tax. If that was 1992 (call it season 3ish), then that would adjust to 18.17 or so now. Yeah... he's not going to be doing well with 3 kids and needing the AHCA.
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Mar 14, 2017 17:11
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No Butt Stuff posted:Yeah, but what year was this? Looks like he makes roughly 10.50/hr before tax. If that was 1992 (call it season 3ish), then that would adjust to 18.17 or so now. Season 7, so '96.
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Mar 14, 2017 17:16
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The fact that we're discussing how much a fictional character makes and will lose under AHCA is what's wrong with politics tbh. I can only understand this bill if it's in a Harry Potter metaphor.
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Mar 14, 2017 17:22
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Spaced God posted:The fact that we're discussing how much a fictional character makes and will lose under AHCA is what's wrong with politics tbh. Harry Potter metaphors are for education cuts.
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Mar 14, 2017 17:31
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Spaced God posted:The fact that we're discussing how much a fictional character makes and will lose under AHCA is what's wrong with politics tbh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ervjj_qRXXQ
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Mar 14, 2017 18:20
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evilweasel posted:He has also said, repeatedly, "we're doing the democrats a favor by repealing the law before it collapses next year we could easily do nothing but we're just too nice!!!!!" so he's already laying the groundwork to leave Ryan holding the bag. Trump's entire career and "leadership" style is basically this. Always have an underling available to dump full responsibility for failures onto.
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Mar 14, 2017 18:24
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Typo posted:will he really though I mean he claimed that he appointed Bannon to the NSC cuz he didn't read the documents he was signing maybe he'll just say someone lied to him about what was in the bill Or just lie and say he never said that. That has worked pretty well for him so far.
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Mar 14, 2017 19:10
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evilweasel posted:oh hey I wish Ryan had any personality except wanting to starve children and old people and just told Trump "OK, do your thing Mr Art of the deal".
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Mar 14, 2017 23:38
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Barbe Rouge posted:I wish Ryan had any personality except wanting to starve children and old people and just told Trump "OK, do your thing Mr Art of the deal". Now now, hold it there mister...are you telling me that this doesn't scream personality? 
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Mar 14, 2017 23:40
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I like the "three pronged approach to healthcare" bullshit because it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that the second this passes reconciliation they aren't going to touch it and say healthcare is "fixed". Have they even said was step 2 & 3 are yet?
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Mar 14, 2017 23:40
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Rabble posted:I like the "three pronged approach to healthcare" bullshit because it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that the second this passes reconciliation they aren't going to touch it and say healthcare is "fixed". Step 2 is regulatory reforms the Trump administration puts into place once they figure out what the buttons do in two years. Step 3 is the magical bill that gets through a filibuster.
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Mar 14, 2017 23:47
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Rabble posted:I like the "three pronged approach to healthcare" bullshit because it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that the second this passes reconciliation they aren't going to touch it and say healthcare is "fixed". Well, step 3 is profit.
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Mar 14, 2017 23:52
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evilweasel posted:Step 2 is regulatory reforms the Trump administration puts into place once they figure out what the buttons do in two years. Step 3 is the magical bill that gets through a filibuster. what kind of reforms would step 2 entail? Have they given any hints at all?
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Mar 15, 2017 00:34
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clockworkjoe posted:what kind of reforms would step 2 entail? Have they given any hints at all? I think it's the old saw of insurance across state lines. This would destroy the state exchanges but no one seems to have thought about it that far ahead. Maybe malpractice award limits too.
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Badger of Basra posted:I think it's the old saw of insurance across state lines. This would destroy the state exchanges but no one seems to have thought about it that far ahead. dont forget the race to the bottom w/r/t general insurance legislative and regulatory standards
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